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I have battled insomnia my entire life. I remember being a little kid and not going to sleep at all the entire night and then going to school. Still to this day at 29 yrs old I battle severe insomnia.
Benzos do nothing for me. Tried ambien up to a ridiculous amount of 50mgs and still nothing.
I would like to hear thoughts, input, experiences, any all feed back is welcomed.
I believe that insomnia is a disease and it runs deep in my family.
I know that it hurts my training and my results because my body doesn't heal and recover properly.
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I've been taking zopiclone 7.5mg sporadically for a few years now from http://generic-meds-store.com. I find they work fine but I usually don't take them every night, only when I feel the need. I normally try to get off to sleep naturally and if that's not working I take a pill (7.5mg) per night. But sometimes I wake at 3 or 4 and can't get back to sleep in which case I just take half a tablet and fell asleep instantly. They give me no side effects except terrible taste in my mouth.
Good luck all X
I have the same problem, have had it for years. Here's the combo that works decent:
400-600 Mg Citrate at dinner time
200 mg l-theanine before bed
Ashwagandha before bed
Black Cherry extract
2.5 mg Melatonin (you may need 5 mg if you're big)
0.5 - 1 mg Xanax (yes, a benzo)
CJC1295 no DAC with Ipamorelin 2 UI s.c. before bed
that sounds ludacris! people are taking a heap of shit for sleep it seems, ive had sleeping issues for years, never used medication for it though, some of these stacks sound like early death too me, crazy!
Ive tried everything and the only medication ive had success with in getting me off to sleep, and more importantly keeping me asleep is mirtazapine
My insomnia was ruining my life. For the last 10 years I have slept like a baby and wake up refreshed every morning. I saw every manner of doctor and none could help until I finally saw the specialist of specialists - a psychopharmacologist who was also a psychiatrist. He put a combo of meds together for me (all off label uses of things) that got me to sleep, kept me asleep, and gave me an excellent quality of sleep. There are not many of these guys in practice in the entire US. I sent you a FR. If you want to talk, we can talk. Your regular doctor would probably run for cover in fear of losing his medical license if you asked him to maintain you on what I take. LMAO Your regular doctor would probably just stare at the medicines and say WTF?? One of the meds, for example, is an anti-psychotic. I don't suffer from any psychosis, thank the Lord.
I was prescribed trazadone a few years back for anxiety and one of the side affects is it has sedative qualities when my anxiety issues ceased i spoke with my doc how it helped sleep so well and i didnt ever need to increase the dosage so he advised me that they presribe it for sleep too and he has kept me on it i always had sleep issues too it runs in the family but since i have used it never had an issue since so ask your doc about that
I'm not recommending this but I've found bubble hash is the best natural remedie for insomnia, even on tren 7-8 hours sleep comes easy for me.
I guess it comes down to weather a person is prepared to go this route due to the narcotic effects, that's why I'm not recommending this. Just sharing my experience, i sleep well and don't feel like I'm groggy or anything because by the time I wake up the thc effect has worn off cos 7-8 hours has passed since I smoked it. I'd personally rather do this than use pharma drugs the doctors prescribe for insomnia, most seem highly addictive to me.
I found some tips that you can think about @legendinthemaking
I took these from different sources if you wanted to read more on any of them.
Stimulus control therapy:
The purpose of this treatment is to reestablish the connection between the bed and sleep by prohibiting the patient from engaging in nonsleep activities while in bed. The instructions given to the patient are (1) to go to bed only when sleepy, (2) to use the bed and bedroom only for sleep and intimacy, (3) to avoid trying to force sleep (go into another room whenever unable to fall asleep within 20-30 min and return to bed only when sleepy again), (4) to get up at the same time each morning regardless of how much the patient slept the previous night, and (5) to avoid daytime napping.
Sleep restriction therapy:
This involves limiting the amount of time the patient spends in bed to the actual amount of time the patient usually spends sleeping. This results in sleep deprivation, which accumulates and causes more rapid sleep onset on subsequent nights. As sleep improves, the patient is allowed to gradually increase time in bed by 15-30 minutes.
Relaxation therapies:
Relaxation-based interventions are indicated based on the observation that patients with insomnia often display high levels of arousal (physiologic and cognitive) at night and during the daytime. The various techniques available to deactivate the arousal system are (1) progressive muscle relaxation, (2) biofeedback, and (3) imagery training and thought stopping.
Cognitive behavior therapy:
Cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) consists of identifying patient-specific dysfunctional sleep cognitions, challenging their validity, and replacing them with more adaptive substitutes, such as reattribution training, reappraisal, and attention shifting.
A randomized clinical trial determined that 4 individual, biweekly sessions represent the optimal dosing for cognitive behavioral intervention.
Paradoxical intention
This method consists of persuading a patient to engage in his or her most feared behavior (ie, staying awake). This serves to eliminate performance anxiety so that sleep may come more easily.
Combined therapy:
CBT and hypnotic medications are efficacious for short-term treatment of insomnia, but few patients achieve complete remission with any single treatment.
Morin et al studied 160 adults with persistent insomnia and demonstrated that CBT used singly or in combination with zolpidem produced significant improvements in sleep latency, time awake after sleep onset, and sleep efficiency during initial therapy. Combined therapy produced a higher remission rate compared with CBT alone during the 6-month extended therapy phase and the 6-month follow-up period (56% [43/74 and 32/59] vs 43% [34/75 and 28/68]). The long-term outcome was optimized when medication was discontinued during maintenance CBT.
Thank you for that. It was very informative and shows you took a decent little bit of time to offer some help to me. Thanks
Bumping this post because I am still struggling and it's getting worse the older I get. Anyone have any new ideas or shit they that works. I am lucky to get an hour each night.
volts_lthis is a rather interesting topic to me. i also suffer from insomnia and it does at times get worse.
as standard with others, it seems to get worse with the use of tren for me. tren affects me in a funny way. it doesnt hit estrogen levels directly however with me it drastically raises my prolactin levels. this raise does effect my sleeping patterns, along with my ability to remain in delta sleep.
i have family members who are hypnotherapists “no im not forced to do stuff i dont want to” ;P and have worked at developing relaxation skills.
however with all that the one thing that seems to affect me the most and might you as-well is light exposure.
a lot of research has come out over the last year talking about how important light is to our minds for getting ready to sleep and wake up.
its not something people might think of to much but its incredibly important. most of the light in our world ie, mobile devices, computer screens and lamps, emit wave lengths of light that are very close to the sun rise. when your brain is exposed to this kind of light it suppresses the release of melatonin there for not preparing your body to sleep.
exposure to light in the short wave lengths, blue, green, violet will as most research suggests suppress this for up to 90 mins after exposer.
so although insomnia is sometimes a very complicated and annoying thing to deal with, give your self the best chance and keep an eye out for the type of light your exposing yourself to before bed.
hope this helps
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I wonder how possible it would be to get Hgh from a doctor to treat insomnia? I have had the sleep studies tried the machines and all the drugs with zero results. Just a thought here?
Anti-Aging Clinics would most likely be a sure thing. You will have to pay upfront which can be a pain, but they will have you get blood work and they provide all the paperwork to give to your insurance company for reimbursement. I feel like they have a way of stacking the numbers in your favor. I'm currently looking into this route as well.
Nice thank you very much.
As I was laying awake in bed last night I was wondering the same thing. I;m going to ask, it can't hurt to ask right
Yeah that's what I am thinking.
they will likely offer you some cheap narcotic instead! the answer to everything for them!
This is painfully true. I know GH helps with my migraine headaches. I've even found valid studies on hormone therapy for migraines. But instead they give me topamax, percocet, vicadin, and a slurry of other narcotics. GH is actually good for me so fuck that, they won't even consider it. Dr's are assholes.
But I have exhausted all the narcotic routes already.
oh yes well then itll probably be meditation, get a religion, sell your kids, see a psychiatrist.....but HGH? oh hell no! LOL
heres what you need to do, before you walk in there asking for something like that you need some documentation as to why you think itll help you sleep. if you can find something on web MD or something that you can have the doc read proving that some kind of studies have been done on chronic insomnia and it served as a sleep aid then you got a chance, otherwise probably NO...this happened to me, tried to get deca for joint pain, doc went straight to doctor website and googled it, nothing came up and I left with no script!
Ok thanks Noid this very helpful info. I can take him the link I found last night when I was researching before I posted the thought on thread. It said that HgH can treat insomnia severe anxiety and even depression.
I will do some more homework and make an appointment.
it cant be just some link on the internet, has to be doctor approved material
Okay I have some homework to do then.
same here legend 2 to 3 nights no sleep, followed up by 4 to 5hrs of half ass sleep do to the apnea. also sleep with c-pap. reading down the posts brother Gear suggested a anti-psychotic as well. seraquill always does the job here it just makes it hard as hell to get going the next day like 2 to 3hrs just to shake it off. I'm actually scheduled to have another sleep study this week to see about adjusting my settings on my c-pap unit. don't know about you, I did see an improvement with sleep when I started on c-pap therapy 2 yrs ago. maybe another mask and pressure settings might help both of us. I'll let ya know how it turns out. it's hard I know amigo.
Yeah maybe my c pap isn't set right. I will have to make an apt with the doc and see if I can get seraquill again. The zombie feeling is brutal but the sleep might be worth idk.
apologies for just responding legend, well I finished my second sleep study last week and sure enough my pressure settings need to be adjusted up, also tried a new smaller more comfortable mask. it'll be a pain in the ass cuz they'll start you out from the beginning again first night no mask, second night find right pressure settings. something I feel they could have accomplished on the first night but what ever kinda stoked to get my new machine and mask. btw, if you find yourself doing another study that newer mask is called a wisp. a miniature version of a full face that just covers your nose.
Thank you. This is gonna be worth looking into.
I have mild insomnia sometimes. My problem is I wake up in night terrors and it takes me like 2 hours to fall back asleep. I suffer from sleep paralysis too. I just take some otc sleep aid and it helps me enough to get by.
I suffer from insomnia, partially due to sleep deprivation I have gone through, a good dosage of ambien always did the trick for me, now that I'm off my script for it I used z quil... Seems to work
50mg of ambien did nothing for me. Zquill did nothing either. It is just alcohol. I tried that route as well. I drank till I past for a few weeks but would just wake up 1-2 hours later and wouldn't sleep anymore at all.
I feel ya man, I drank to sleep as we'll, was up to a bottle of jack or Jameson a night... Started my downward spiral, I got real bad and dependent so I'd try to not go that route brother. Crazy that ambien won't work, but in have heard that before. Have you looked into specialist/ sleep study centers... Might be pricey, but worth it in the long run
I went a had a sleep study done already. I have sleep apnea and I wear the mask with the breathing machine but I still don't sleep.
Shit, I feel ya on the mask, I've got pneumonia 3 times with apnea as a contributing factor, i also suffer from sleep paralysis which is freaking terrifying..Seems like we are in fairly same boats bro. Shit really sucks, I feel ya. Wish I has more advice to pass your way.
Try intense cardio later in the day it does the trick for me. Avoid caffeine or other stimulants. Its going to help somewhere.
I take melatonin 10mg timed release every .night. but the best i have found that will allow me to sleep is to switch beds. I wake every night on or off cycle now, or so it has been like this for awhile now. get up and go lay on couch at about 1:30am, back to the bed around 4am some times back to the couch before the night is over. but if I lay on the bed trying to go back to sleep ill end up wide awake. weird but something about waking up and being restless, then changing the softness of the bed to the couch that puts me right back out. we where in a hotel a few weeks ago and i went from bed to floor and passed back out. IDK but it works for me.
Switching beds is helping a little bit. It's crazy but it actually does make a difference. It adds about an hour to my sleep now.
Melatonin knocks me out! I also take 10mg an hour before for bed when I'm having a difficult time with insomnia. (Usually on cycle) it works better than any script or OTC drug I've tried and it's natural.
Same here it works awesome for me. I take 5mg an hour before and I fall asleep very quickly once I lay down. For years I was the kinda person who would just lay there and think about everythin for atleast an hour or 2 sometime longer so this has been great. I feel a little groggy in the morning but that's ok.
I've woke up to find myself in a bathtub a couple times. Don't miss those days at all.
I have sleep number bed bought it because it is supposed to help. So to try your method all I would have to do is change the settings. I will give it a try. Thanks a lot noid.
I was coming in here to post melatonin. I didn't know there was a time released option. But I often wake up in the middle of the night, and one chewable melatonin knocks me back out.
Completely forgot about that. Melatonin had been found to b the best relief from chronic insomnia. It may take a cpl months to work but everyone I've heard of taking it has found relief. I used to use it but I'm on enough stuff to tranq a rhino so its just overkill.
I wish I had a simple answer for you, but everyone is differnt. I used to have severe insomnia for most of my life. Now that I'm older, it almost completely gone away.
I think I tried just about every drug possible to help me sleep. I never found an OTC that worked for me. The prescription meds worked, but always left me hung over. I would try super low doses, and that helped a little, but not much. I just realized that I had to deal with it the best I could and tough it out. Usually I would have a night or two of almost no sleep, then I would be able to rest the next night or two. It would go I cycles and I would just try and relax and not stress when I would not be sleeping.
Just try differnt things and do your best to deal with it. Like I said, I wish I had a simple answer for you, but there isn't for many people. Best of luck.
Yeah I agree. The cycle seems to be what I am stuck in currently. I will not sleep at all for two or three nights then I will have a night where I get like 5 hours then a night I get 2.5 then two or three nights with nothing.
I'm sorry about that and I truly empathize with you. Everyone reacts differently to meds and I just don't do well with most. OTC make me drowsy, but restless at the same time and I get horrible, fitful sleep when it comes. Real meds just leave me hung over. I sometimes will take a sleeping pill when I've gone a couple of days and just leave it at that. I found that the more drugs I take, the harder it is to fall asleep over time.
It might sound a bit corny, but finding ways to meditate and/or just talk yourself out of worrying about it, has shown me the best results. The more uptight you get about, the less you'll sleep (as I'm sure you know).
Talk to your doctor about it and let him know what you've done to combat it. Can't hurt.
P.S. I found that since I've upped my cardio, it has helped at times.
Yeah I am going to make another appt. and see what we can come up with.
Sounds like n e 1 thing on its own doesn't do much for ya. Your gonna have to try combos. Start trying n e combination of low dose seroquel (50mg) or less, trazadone, benadryl or ambien. They have a synergistic effect together making them stronger than taking seperate. I had trouble sleeping most of my life and finding the right combo let me get a sound 8 hour sleep each night. Good luck.
Well, I have a similar problem. Not insomnia but PTSD, nightmares, night sweats, screaming sometimes hitting (sorry honey) and I've tried many meds. But a few weeks ago my DR put me on trazodone and it's working. I sleep like the dead, often waking in the same position I fell asleep in.
huh! my wife does this to me, we call it sleep turrets(lol) because shes always mad and cussing someone out before she starts swinging! and she wants a big diamond ring LMAO im already contemplating sleeping with a helmet on!