+ 1 High Blood Pressure
Hello, I been struggling with my blood pressure lately .Im pretty lean around 10% bf do cardio atleast 3x week and train 5x weekly. . its been testing around 135-140 over 70-80. my diet is super clean rice and lean proteins with mac oil/ olive for fats. i supplement with fish oil, coq10, primrose oil, niacin, magnesium. The only factors i can think of is high estro and high hematocrit , my last blood test 2 months ago had it at 49.7 i found last 2 weeks my estro was high and went to .5 eod on adex and sex drive boosted up and now libido feels low again. i just started a cycle 4 weeks ago with 600 test cyp and 700 eq. i know its hard to say but do you think i should try and up my adex to .5 ed on those doses and see if my bp drops and libido come back? what signs do you guys use for high/ low estro? Im thinking its more of a Hematocrit issue , do you guys find your bp goes up when its in the upper range? My bp isnt crazy high i just want to get it in normal range because i was going to add in anadrol which is known for increasing bp.
any thoughts?
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i take coQ10 for my heart, but the good kind with ubiquinol, have you ever tried that?
Simple advice.
1. Donate blood. Chances are your hgb and hct are elevated now. Recheck bp after this
2. Take your bp daily.
3. Don't use dbol or anadrol or any oral that will increase bp
4. If healthy take a daily 81mg baby aspirin
5. Draw blood and check cholesterol test estrogen liver and kidneys
6. Use the least amount you need of an estrogen reducer. More is not better off your not gyno prone or have big old swollen milk titties and a high bf you might need .5 a week or 2 times a week.
This is a summary of everyone I think
yeah im sure its my hematocrit levels causing it to be slightly high. going to donate next week. and i was running .5e3d adex and wasnt enough so .5 two times a week would def not be . .5 eod seems to be a little to much so need to find the sweet spot between the two.
Awesome. You will feel better soon and you know what your body needs for estrogen control. +1 for you
I am troubled with many issues that you state.
Super clean diet? Why are you on? A cut protocol?
First, You are clearly over thinking this situation. You are running 600 T and 700 EQ a week THAT is why your BP is elevated.
Second, if you are running 600 T and 700 EQ and have a low libido than you have a serious problem. More than likely it is because you are overdosing adex, but either way your libido shouldn't be crushed.
You need to seek a medical professional and get yourself tested so you can see what the numbers really are.
Introducing adrol at this point is literally the worst possible course of action
yes super clean diet why are you questioning that? everyone should be on a clean diet. no matter if bulking or cutting. especially on AAS . not cutting im lean bulking. and no thats not the only reason for BP being high is a cycle. many other factors. and if you read my post correctly i said im looking to get my Bp down before adding Anadrol
I am questioning your entire post and course of action.
First you never state what your stats, priors, nor stated goals. . Hence the obvious detailed questioning.
If you read my answer correctly you would understand that addng in Adrol would be the worst plan of action you would take if concerned over your BP. Whether you get your BP in check or not prior to adding in adrol, once its added simple logic would dictate that your BP will obviously be blown up again.
Only 4 weeks in and you are having BP and libido issues means your actions are incorrect
Your erroneous assumptions and guesswork is what is causing your issues.
LOL okay DR. Dick, get lost.
So you post and ask for help then berate and belittle those who offer assistance.
Your irrational emotionalism to critique along with your erroneous assumption based guesswork in regards to compounds, ai's, and side effects is not helping your cause one bit.
Do not even bother posting if you are too sensitive and immature to accept assistance.
theres a difference of giving helpful advice and coming across as a dick head like you did.
An attitude like that doesn't go well here bro. You asked for advice. His advice is almost always spot on so take it for what it is
RustyhookerHe does have good points in there bro. 4weeks in and bp is up. Drol with eq...did it....never again. Rbc and bp went wild. And it is typical in forums that bp comes to diet.
So.....you asked....
Either donate blood. Or take aspirin.
i thought aspirin doesnt affect BP only thins blood>? which i take a lot of fish oil already which thins the blood
Dominick77It thins blood, and as a result of your blood thinning, your blood pressure decreases.
basically what i just said. hahaha ;)
Imagine your heart have to pump blood through a small valve. When your left ventricle contracts and blood is being pushed out your aortic valve it creates pressure. If you change the viscosity of your blood you can change the pressure. Imagine taking a straw, what is easier to push through the straw honey or water?
Fish oils are good.
Congrats on the reset.
Glad he is here too. Good job taten!
See that didn't take long. Keep active in the forums. Don't give bad advice and your karma will reflect that. +2
RustyhookerWhens your last donation of blood?
Piss crystal clear?
Bloods due bout now for e2 ...week 4 or 5
On cycle i hit 135/90 as a norm unless dehydrated. This last week and off cycle with perfect bloods the dr put me on bp meds. Genetics....grrrr
its been awhile since last donation. my last blood test was 5 weeks ago had hematocrit at 49.7 so im assuming its prob close to 50-51 now with the added eq. pee is always clear. i was wanting to wait for bloods until i was on a consistent dose of ai so then i can really tell what dose of ai and what dose of gear will cause such results for my body . whats ur opinion on this my estro was high was doing .5 e3d and had no libido and then bumped it to .5eod 3 weeks ago last week i felt awesome and libido was great. i kept that dose of .5 eod and then the start of this week i lost my libido and feel lethargic and having dry skin. which are signs of low estro. isnt this more likely to be the case or low estro then having high estro ? because im assuming my estro was in perfect range last week when i felt awesome now this week i feel like crap . estro cant raise that high in one week right?
RustyhookerPiss clear is good. Typically keeps my bp happy in prior cycles.
Yes, usually if skin dries, lips chapped is low estro. The bump in adex was a big bump. Maybe a dose level in between the two? Bloods will always trump though. Eq also converts to a very mild ai as well. I dont believe its strong enough to rely on but may skew numbers a hair.
.5e3d = 1.0
.5eod = 2.0
I usually like lil oilly and horney as my 'zone' . Adjusting can at times be a chore.
thanks. im going to stop a.i and see how i feel . what would be a dose in the middle ? between .5eod and .5e3d
RustyhookerReally need to see where .5e3d has you. Possibly a m-w-f of .3 for 1.5 but it starts getting to guesswork.
50 on e2 isnt typically that high unless its giving you issues. E2 sensitive guys gotta run a lil lower towards 20. If water retention starts to cause bloat, vit c 500 am and pm will act as a natural laxitive. Foods too.
Either route, really need bloods. Are you typically e2 sensitive?
Get a home BP machine a quality one for around 100 bucks don't get the wrist one those are crap like said below that BP is not bad I have anxiety and when I go to the doc my BP is around 190 over 100 then I get home and take it and it's around what yours is and at night before I go to bed it's perfect 120 over 80 it will read differnt all the time. Watch a scary movie and check your BP lol
yeah i have a wrist one already, i found the arm ones are not accurate because arms can be to big for cuff. mine seems pretty accurate i tested on the wife and she's perfect range. i know my BP isnt bad but want to get it down to the 120 range before i add an oral in my cycle. I think its slightly high from having higher Hematocrit levels . thats why i was curious if anyone has donated with higher levels and noticed a decrease in Bp.
Google Omron hem-711 that's the one my doc told me to get it fits big arms. But yeah your BP will go down if you donate if your count is high also a couple tablespoons a day of apple cider vinegar will drop you a few point mix with water though acv has lots of benefits beyond helping BP cures heartburn that's my favorite part
Hell yes , I’ll take a big swig and wash it down with water right before bed,
okay thanks for input. Yeah APC Vin is awesome i try to take it everyday
I'm with the lads, don't add anadrol into the mix.
I'm 13 weeks into a test and deca run and I'm holding off for a bit longer to add anadrol as I don't want to mess with my BP which in turn will hinder my gains not build them.
Your readings aren't high mate.
Your just guessing with your adex mate you need to pull bloods. And also try and give blood if possible to make sure you keep everything within rage (hematocrit).
Keep your water high and get some beetroot juice. It comes in 1 litre cartons from all supermarkets,drink 1 a day and your bp will drop
Adding the anadrol is going to cause more problems and your struggling to get your test and EQ cycle under control. I'd leave it bro
i just got bloods done before cycle and estro was in range. so i didnt really want to have to go back again so soon. i was taking adex .5 2x per week on 200 mg. i think what happened was my estro was high and i upped adex to .5 eod and a few days later my libido was through the roof and felt great, so i kept that dose and few days later it dropped off again, im thinking my estro more likely went to low then to high in that short amount of period, what do you think? also my water is always high. and yes am going to hold off anadrol until i donate and get bp down to 120
I understand you don't want to get bloods again bro but it's the only way to be 100%.
It sounds like you have over done it with your adex mate but I would definitely hold off an the anadrol until you get this sorted.
And try the beetroot juice mate.....even drink some 1 hour before testing your bp and I promise it will drop
Dominick77EQ (AAS in general) increases Red Blood cell count, thats where your problem originates. EQ is notorious for BP issues. It might just be the pressure from increased red blood cells and in which case reducing the AAS ( or discontinuing) will help it resolve back to normal. If you're not affected negatively by aspirin I would - with the clearance of your physician - consider taking a daily therapeutic dose of 75mg. This will help thin your blood out and should aid in your BP reduction. Nevertheless, if you're stressed, out of breath, or have been doing any physical activity in the hour or less before you were monitored, the this top figure (systolic) can be high, even much higher than yours! If your BP is maintained at 185 all the time then it is permanently hypertensive,but you're still not in the cardiac arrest zone, so chill. Lay off the coffee and other stimulants, cut down the fags if you smoke, and reduce your AAS. Cutting down on salt and too much sugar is also helpful. Amlodapine is a very common treatment for high BP problems. You can get this from your
physician, and they're dosed at <10mg a day. They have few, if any sides, and can be taken safely for life if needed. Betablockers are another treatment but their effects can be similar to some sleeping medicines and leave you drowsy. BB's also lower your aerobic threshold because they prevent your heart-rate from elevating above a certain level. Amlodapine, on the other hand, works by increasing the elasticity of your blood vessels and veins/arteries, in effect, widening them to allow blood to flow through freely and easily. Good luck to you bro. DO NOT ADD THE ANADROL.
RustyhookerThey dont make 75mg aspirin.....
Aspirin does not thin blood
185 is stroke/heart attack range
Cmon dude, this stuff kills
Dominick77according to the Heart Foundation, aspirin does indeed thin your blood.....
https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/images/uploads/publications/Aspirin.pdf
And they do in fact, make 75mg aspirin....
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/2614/pil
cmon dude I figured an EXP like you would know this...
RustyhookerUmmm.no. it stops the clotting factors bruh. K ow your chems
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1852201/
Ummm....no its 81mg aspirin. And more clotting info
https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/aspirin-and-your-heart-many-...
Dominick77Ummm yes...it stops the clotting factors....BY THINNING YOUR BLOOD....
Aspirin thins your blood, which helps to prevent blood clots in your arteries. When blood clots in the arteries that supply blood to your heart or brain, it can cause a blockage and lead to a heart attack or stroke. ... This may form a clot and cause a blockage.
Why dont you just Google...."Does aspirin thin your blood"
- I cant put it any simpler than that. You want to get technical with mechanisms and HOW, but the fact of the matter is....ASPIRIN DOES THIN YOUR BLOOD. According to the HEART FOUNDATION....it thins your blood. I dont know what else to say bro, you claim it doesnt, but they claim it does. IT stops the clotting factors, BY THINNING THE BLOOD.
As far as the 75mg Aspirin, so are you suggesting I made that up or something? I provided you the link right there in your face, you claim 75mg aspirin is not being produced, but I brought you evidence that it does. So am I making that up? I dont understand where you are getting at. Clotting info? This debate is based on 2 things....
You stating that..
1. Aspirin DOESNT thin your blood. Again, according to the Heart Foundation, Aspirin does indeed thin your blood. Check the link I provided again and read the beginning of the article, or better yet, just simply Google it.
2. You claim they dont make 75mg Aspirin, when in actuality, THEY DO. The link I provided proves that. Look bro, I dont claim to know EVERYTHING, I am learning new things everyday. When I dont know, I can research and find out, if I am wrong I can admit it and move on. You however, cant and refuse to believe facts, even when the evidence to support those facts are right in your face. Thats all I got to say about this matter bro. In the end, if you would like, we can agree to disagree and go on with our lives, but at the end of the day the I presented the facts that prove your claims wrong and theres no other way around it. Just be mature enough to accept it. Take care brother.
haha we both commented at the same time.
"Beyond any reasonable doubt, a major effect of aspirin on hemostasis is its COX-dependent inhibition of platelet function. However, a growing body of evidence indicates that aspirin may also affect blood coagulation at several levels,"
First off you linked a study that had nothing to do with blood thining, it literally says in the title Antithrombotic properties of aspirin and resistance to aspirin: beyond strictly antiplatelet actions
As for the Harvard link it says:
"In patients with coronary artery disease, aspirin prevents heart attacks."
"Should I take aspirin if I develop heart attack symptoms?
Yes."
LITERALLY QUOTES FROM YOUR SOURCES
It also mentions in the article if you should take aspirin if you are susceptible to a heart attack.
Mine is 135/85 and doctor is fine with it.