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Help me with my low testosterone (with DATA!), what are my options? Some questions...

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Hey guys, first post! - Here it goes:

About 2 months ago I had my doctor check my Vitamin D levels and thought: "Why not check my Test levels, my libido seems kinda low..." Had subjectively felt low to me for years (get distracted during sex, that really sucks).

First some data!

Age: 33 this year
Height: 6.1ft (186cm)
Weight: 216lbs (98kg)
BF: 25% (I'm still a fat fcker, but I'm working on it, lost around 9lb - 4.5kg in the past 3 weeks/around 25lb down past 14months)
Started weight-lifting 3 times a week about 3-4 months ago.

Now for some blood work:

First in the afternoon, non-fasted:
Total Test: 1.89ng/ml (healthy range 3-9!)
CRP: 4.2mg/l (healthy up to 5)
SHBG: 20.3 nmol/l (healthy 10-73)

About 2 weeks later, in the morning, fasted: (This was taken by the Dr. I was then referred to, an endocrinologist)
Test (different scaling): 9.9nmol/l (The cutoff in the US is 9.9, in the EU it is 12; so either RIGHT on the bottom end or a good bit below it).
Other measurements normal ranges.

If you're still with me, thank you very much for your dedication and here are the options I keep pondering, really only one of which involves my doctor:

  1. Doctor said I could use testo-gel. I'm not the biggest fan of that since I'd have to keep going for life. Brings a slew of problems: shrinking nuts (atrophy), possible problems with fertility, likely hair-loss increasing.
    The test gel is "Testogel", I believe the daily dose is 50mg.

  2. My own idea (asked the doc on the phone after researching, he was NOT THRILLED, seemed a bit small-minded to me):
    Try some HGH first off all... My thought process:

- Helps get rid of fat. Speeds my healthy low-carb-diet. Thereby increasing Testosterone AND overall health in the long term, passively.
- would by some accounts increase libido quite a bit and testosterone marginally (directly as opposed to indirectly by fat reduction).
- got the hope it would fix some minor niggles and scrapes, might also affect my very mild psoriasis
- The side-effects are WAY less... At most some minor sides (1.5-3.5IU/day) that are temporary as opposed to opening Pandora's box with permanent Test-supplementation.
(100IU HGH is actually incoming, doctor be damned :D)

  1. This one I didn't ask him about, because the idea came later and is more of a question to you guys:
    Could one inject Test Prop subcutaneous on a "when needed"-basis? I'm talking small amounts on days that I'll see my girl (which is about once every 1-3 weeks, so not as often as the average relationship). My well-being is actually very decent, but the "getting distracted mid-sex" is pissing me off something fierce. (she's hot, so that's not the problem... :D).
    Concerns:

- How would I be looking in terms of atrophy? Would giving a small prop shot (to temporary raise blood levels from say 3ng/l to 9-10ng/l) cause atrophy? And if so, for how long?
- I'm not concerned about sc-pinning... Amounts would be so small and infrequent that I can't see a problem with decent hygiene. Haven't researched water-based test yet, if there is such a thing?

  1. Mild subcutaneous oil-test-depot like once a week. Say around 100-200mg week? How are we looking with fertility and atrophy long term?Anything I can do to prevent it?

  2. Do an actual cycle to see if the additional muscle-mass and missing fat makes a difference? Kind of like a reboot? - Got ZERO scientific base for this theory, though... Stab in the dark, but some of you are bound to know if something like this even possible?

If you got this far you deserve some kind of medal! And I barely even scratched the surface!

Is there any ideas you guys have for me? I got to admit I almost trust you guys more than the doctor. A doctor merely has patients. You guys test all kinds of things 'err single day on YOURSELVES! I read up a bit over the past days and there is some SERIOUSLY smart and knowledgeable guys'n'gals on here!

Lay it on me guys! ANY knowledge you could drop on my dilemma would be MUCH appreciated!

Your newest (somewhat emasculated) forum-buddy... ;-D

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GearofWar: Quote from the letter:
diagnosis: boarderline secondary gonadism

I think he did check thyroid. But I'm translating all of this from german... Stuff that was normal: Estradiol, Cortisol, TSH and peripheral Thyroid-hormones

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Jep, you were quite a bit bigger... Good job on your transformation!

Your link said I need to buy a sub?

I even told you I used to smoke copious amounts of weed, so what do you think I could be hiding? ;-D
I'm definitely honest with my doctors, they work for YOU after all and couldn't say anything if they wanted to...

I realize hgh is not the classical treatment per say... But I want to try it to get my body back in a state that is conducive to natty test production.

How would something like 2 weeks of 25mg ED Clomid work? And what would happen once it's over? Don't know enough about clomid yet...

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Before I'd submit to trt, I'd look a little into why your levels are low. Did you previously cycle or use opiates? It's definitely an easy answer, but it's also a life Long commitment. Personally, I would try about any means I could to kick start natural production. Lowering the body fat would help some, and I'd look into some diet stuff. Myself, I'd even go as far as taking clomid or a mild pct to try and get things stimulated naturally beforehand. You really don't have anything to lose by trying. Sexually, get some cialis to get you through until you decide to go the trt route or hopefully get your natty levels back up. Regardless, from this point , monitoring your blood work is going to be a necessary aspect of your life. Why not try and make your body work for you before you marry the needle.
I'm no doctor, but I know I'd try everything I could before going that route

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I never cycled (only stuff like Tribulus, D-Aspartic Acid and so on), never opiates, just THC (none for 5 years now, before that heavy use).

I'm working hard on lowering body fat, I'm again 0.8kg - over a pound lighter than when I started the topic yesterday... Biggrin Body fat is also part of my HGH interest, although I do understand that it's not a wonderdrug in that respect. But might give me a slight push for the final leg in my weight loss journey.

Never tried clomid, but read about it. Wouldn't my test levels just go back down to where they started after taking it, though?

Cialis: Already have access to it, but that really isn't the problem... Hard to explain: It's like my brain looses interest during sex and my thoughts just wander off...

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Nuts are overrated; I don't sit on them, they don't get slapped around during sex, swamp balls is a rare thing and my shaft looks like a baseball bat.

I really doubt HGH is going to bring your levels up. If youre just trying to scam the doc for GH, by all means proceed and best of luck.

You can do prop as needed. It is a rollercoaster I wouldn't want to be on. Low test levels cause me headaches and an emotional attitude. When my levels drop I know without a doubt. Some days I just don't want to pin myself.

I vote you get on an injection regiment an see how that treats you