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OK - Let's get this started. This thread is for those of you that need nutritional support / guidance. Repeatedly people find this aspect the most difficult to pin down and get right and that's exactly what this is here for. We have a cycles page for tweaking cycles, bow we have a diet clinic for tweaking diets. Get your training schedule right as well, you're one step ahead already.

This is how this is going to roll. You post up:
Your stats (be honest)
Ideally a recent pic we can look at from your profile
Your goal
What you currently eat and when along with an idea of training times / work schedule
Any food allergies / dietary requirements
Any foods you can't stand / particularly enjoy (not Pizza lol)

In return, your get FREE nutritional advice and a framework plan to work from to maximise your results. Not just from me and Viking, I want you guys in here showing what you've got on the nutritional front. We've got some great knowledge on this board, this is your thread to show it.

Let's keep this constructive and respectful at all times, but I don't feel the need to "sugar coat" if someones diet needs a complete rebuild if they're getting all wrong. Let's also flip that and avoid become defensive and taking critique personally.

Let the gains begin!

kodiakGRRL's picture

no bread for grrls .. no pasta if we want to drop some fat.. that is the way of the world ;-)

kodiakGRRL's picture

no I haven't ;-)

konared's picture

ezekial english muffins and tortilla's are awesome!!

kodiakGRRL's picture

no body can top thomases... plus how does it taste? if I am going to eat bread I want bread.. I bet it is like whole wheat pancakes... UGH..

kodiakGRRL's picture

you know I don't leave the house ... I m not grumpy I just have food coma and get really fluffy when I eat bread

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6'4 228 21%bf
Don't want to be under 220lbs, want to be around 13-14%bf
What you currently eat and when along with an idea of training times / work schedule
7am - 50g protein shake w almond milk, chia seeds
10:30am - 6 whole eggs
1pm - chicken breast w spinach
4pm - chicken breast w spinach
5:30pm 1hr MMA training
7pm 1 hr lifting
8pm 50g protein shake, almond milk
9pm steak w asparagus, avocado

I have tried everything I cannot get the results I want. I give up on diets usually after 3 weeks because I see no change in progress. I was going low carb 5 days, 1 moderate carb day, 1 high carb day. Didn't see much change. I am also doing (http://www.t-nation.com/article/most_recent/stripped_down_hypertrophy) on week #2. I add this in to change up weight training when I feel I am plateauing.

As far as gear I am technically off. I am on 5iu generic black tops ED, 30mg ostarine, 5mg GW, igf1&igf2 lr3 post workout, minimal dose of t4 for synergy with the GH. Helios and albuterol on hand

thekaz's picture

Not much under. My weight class is 205 to fight but due to injury I haven't had anything lately. I like being Farley big. When u get to 205 I look thin and lanky. 220+ is where I feel comfortable. I'm 6"4 I have a big frame

kodiakGRRL's picture

Don't want to be under 220lbs, want to be around 13-14%bf

where did you get those numbers from?

thekaz's picture

I'd like to get the abs popping real nice but I don't want drop too much weight due to sports. Just fat

kodiakGRRL's picture

ditch the numbers then ... I commented on your pic .. I had some questions for you about your priorities.. and training

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Nothingcrazy5's picture

Diet is one of the simplest things we can manage while building, but it's also one of the most neglected. I am one of those who neglect my diet most of the time. Thank you guys for starting this thread!

32 years old, 5'11, 175 pounds.
BMI is roughly 18 or 19% (havnt checked in a while)
Like most guys I just want to bulk.
My goal is 200 pounds and I think I'll be pretty damn happy there.
I work a physical job that allows me to eat at anytime I wish.
MEALS:
1. 3 eggs, 2 egg whites, 2/3 cup of kashi cereal (whatever flavor the wife bought), Apple or some other fruit. 8 to 12 ounces of vitamin D milk.

  1. Protein shake, Nuts (about half a cup and usually almonds), a fruit like a small Apple or something.

  2. Red meat(usually 3 to 6 ounces), raw veggies mixed kinds, sweet potatoe, protein bar or shake.

4.Ive been experimenting with some smoothies here. Usually about a cup or two of raspberries or blueberries. Otherwise, the same as meal 2 but more starchy carbs.

  1. This is usually a pre-workout shake or a protein shake (62 grams protein.)

Work out time

  1. Red meat (larger portion like 8 ounces), sweet potatoe, raw veggies, and some starchy carbs (about 20 grams).

Workouts are usually an hour long 5 days a week. I'm thinking of adding another day in there during my next cycle but I havnt decided. I work out later in the day usually around 8 or 9 pm.

Finishing my last cycle I neglected my diet and paid the price. Around noon I would crash and have to resort to an energy supplement. I work working out about 1.5 hours to 2 hours 5 days a week and my diet SUCKED at the end of the cycle.

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Hi mate.

Just looked at your pics and I'm going to be blunt with you, you shouldn't be anywhere near gear in your current condition. Build a base first, it isn't that hard at first to be honest, it gets hard 10 or 20 years down the line. What you've done is rush into it. I get the impression you already know that from what I've read?

Not trying to offend you, but you're a grown man and I hope you'll respect the fact that I'm telling you how it is rather than sugar coated BS.

Nothingcrazy5's picture

Call a spade a spade, I can't disrespect that Catalyst. To be honest, sometimes we need to hear those things. The pic is my most recent but it's about 8 weeks old. I've got the base built at this point. I do agree with you that I probably should have waited. I lifted naturally from a young age till about 25. I just recently started again after a few years of neglecting my body. I needed the motivation I guess. At any rate, you are right man. Your input is always welcome.

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Glad you haven't taken that the wrong way. The tough thing is that when you jump the gun invariably you don't hold onto it. If you build a natural frame, it tends to stick. I think after 25 years I can safely say as much as that is a sweeping generalisation, it's a pretty solid one.

If I were you I'd take a step back, trim the BF down, (you'll look bigger anyway), then reassess the AAS scenario 6 months down the line. If you want help with that, drop me a FR and I'll help you.

Nothingcrazy5's picture

Wow, very awesome Catalyst. I'll take you up on that for sure.

Catalyst's picture

No problem mate. We can take a look at your training etc too and get you on track.

Nothingcrazy5's picture

Thanks Optics, I have considering the same with the meat. The main reason for the red meat rich diet is I'm a die hard carnivore, and I bought half a cow a few months ago. The freezer is packed;) I will be trying the sweet treat you mentioned. Im always on the search for some short sugars that break the callorie bank at night. I'll give the morning shake a try too. Thanks bro!

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I've only made a few changes at this point. I've added some salmon and some chicken to the mix. I've dropped down to 18% according to the calipers so I'm happy.
My neighbor sells eggs (fresh) so I've begun buying from him. He also sells chicken and is getting ready to butcher some up. I'm buying all that I can get ahold of from him. I'm continuing to build a cleaner diet now that I've found a diet that seems to work. The less food with a label the better. Im also staying anabolic for a few more weeks. I'm not on cycle but I'm still getting results as I tone things up so I figure why not get this muscle hardened up and leaner before I cut some fat. When I cut fat I plan to do a diet that focuses on carb cutting and loading. I've found a few meal plans that look decent but I haven't settled on anything. My plan is to cut a pound to a pound and a half a week. My hope is that I can retain as much muscle as possible and still cut the fat. This should take me about 18 to 20 weeks to reach my BMI goals. I'll post a meal plan when I figure out a rough idea of what I'm looking at.
I did try the Greek yogurt and protein powder treat. I put some raspberries in there and it was pretty good. My nephew said he likes it more than ice cream.

BZ61784169's picture

Let me start by saying how cool it is of you Catalyst for taking the time to help members like myself with nutrition. Also a big thanks to Opticx for answering my question and sharing this link.
Stats:
Age 46
Height 5'8"
Weight 170lbs.
Body fat: do not know
Picture: picture on profile and one in self picture are both two days old.
Goals:
I want to gain in muscle size and definition. Not concerned weather or not it comes from bulking or cutting as long as I feel good and it looks good.
I have not started a cycle yet, but would like to begin one in a few weeks.
Current diet:
Honestly I haven't really followed one or counted nutritions. A typical day for me usually is as follows.
Before work a Whey protein drink with 270 calories 5g sugar 40g protein. Lunch= sandwich with sliced deli chicken mayo and sliced provolone cheese, Greek yogurt, apple/orange, and a protein bar.
Snack after work= left over meat from night before.
Dinner= meat either steak, pork, or chicken. Salad, broccoli or spinach.
That is a typical day, I ready for the advice, be honest I can take it lol.
Work and work out schedule:
I work a very physical job outdoors doing concrete construction. I start between 5-7am finish between 2-5. Usually never more than a half hour break a day during work. After work and dinner I work out about 9pm for a half hour 6 days a week.

I have no food allergies, or health problems. I will eat whatever is best for me, just let me know what that may be.

Hope this helps determine a plan for me. I knew this was going to be the hardest part of my cycle for me. I'm ready for the critique. "I think" lol.

Catalyst's picture

I think Opticx has nailed most of my thoughts below. You're in good shape for 46, fairly lean too so I think it's more about putting size on you. I'd also like to see you eating more often if work restraints allow that to be feasible. If you could swap the breakfast for real good like eggs and oats and maybe put the whey shake in later in the day, that's all extra calories. Doing a physical job means you're burning more off, so as long as you're not pushing loads of carbs down you late in the day I'd like to see more low GI complex carbs in your diet.

In summation, just a few minor tweaks. I like the structure, just see if you can up the amount of decent carbs and protein from real food and eat more regularly if possible.

If you need to, drop me a line in PM.

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stats: age 25 Height: 5'11 Weight : 140 ;/ as far as a pic have no recent one but i am very skinny and lanky lol. no real muscle definition basically skin and bones

Goal: To gain weight!! i want to put on some decent mass while getting decent definition

My diet has been shit as of late, really eating anything and everything. No real plan, breakfast lunch and dinner whatever was made or convenient at the time. I work 7am-5pm leaving my house around 6:15am getting back home around 6:00PM. plan to get home from work eat a meal and hit the gym around 7-730PM

no allergy's.

Not that i cant stand it but i dont really prefer oatmeal. And i really cant eat almonds.

When i was younger i did experiment with some test cycles but i was young, nieve, and stupid. I am at an age now where i know i dont need that and i can achieve everything i want through the right foods and hard work in the gym, I really appreciate the help!! i will not waste your time and i will work out hard.

I have also just prepped grilled chicken, steamed veggies, and sweet potatoes for this week. I have my protein powder, BCAA and gluetmine on hand as well. fridge packed with greek yogurts, nuts, peanut butter whole wheat bread and fruits.

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Catalyst's picture

I saw your other post. Firstly it's nice to see someone being sensible enough to say "I need to diet my diet out, steroids aren't the answer".

Ok do as a start, I'm guessing your appetite isn't great? The best way for you to improve that is to try and eat more often. Even consuming smaller portions but more often will improve your good consumption requirement longer term. So currently you're eating three times per day. Let's try and increase that to five or six.

Sweet potatoes or oats or brown rice, green veg and meat or fish or eggs in EVERY meal. That's your guide. When you're full, eat a little more, even if it's just a spoonful or two. Your portions will gradually grow.

Worry less about supplements. Spend that money on low GI carbs and decent quality neat from a butcher, not supermarket crap.

Milk. A couple of litres of semi skimmed milk a day adds a load of calories to your diet. Drink it. At your weight I don't even care if you add milkshake powders full of sugar to it, just get it down you however you need to.

mike7's picture

Will do have been doing milk in all my shakes and sweet potatoes and grilled chicken:flank steak with almost every meal!

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Catalyst's picture

Other stuff you'll get cheap if you're in s budget, things like calves liver. I know done get funny about offal, but it's high quality nutrition and if not over cooked it's tasty.

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I actually have been told I might have a thyroid problem due to a high heart rate (resting 116 :/) however I have always been a naturally skinny kid from birth...my plan however is to see how far I get by doing everything right before jumping to any extremes like throud problems. I did pct with nova and clomid when I did cycle however. I personally think my low weight gain has been mainly due to dabbling in drugs since I stopped working out :/ but all that has come to a end...

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Already have the prescription written out just gotta go!

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They def told me to fast

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robmoore2189's picture

25-5'11"-158 apparently need help bad. Want to gain weight and muscle.

Diet. Large salad in the morning footlong sub for lunch and a good meal for dinner usually portion of meat potatoes and vegie

Workout. Sit ups , push ups, bunch and butterflys. Don't count just do it till I can't. Few reps large weight.

I just spoke to a few ppl on who told me to post in here. Said I drastically need advice and don't need to event think of considering gear yet. Any help would be nice. I'm tired of being small and about ready to do anything to change it. Harmful or not.

Catalyst's picture

To look at this in a different way to the norm, why do you think you weigh 158lbs? What do you think the difference is between a guy of your size and one of my size? (It's not steroids just as a clue).

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robmoore2189's picture

OK. Day one of a 3000+ calorie diet

Breakfast 4 eggs 1 sev cheese 1 sev bacon
Snack. Super nos prework out drink
Lunch 3 eggs apple and banana
Dinner 12oz meat . today top sirlon salad 1 seve lettece 1 serv cheese 1 served bacon 1/2 sev ham.
Baked potatoe with 1 serv cheese and butter.
Still have a snack to go but my myfitnesspal app says my cholesterol intake is to high. Any suggestions?

Catalyst's picture

That's because lots of those calories are coming from fats. I asked you something above, did you see it?

Where are your quality / low GI / complex carbs? Your diet consists of protein, fat, sugar and done high GI carbs (white potato).

Examples are brown rice, wholemeal pasta, sweet potatoes, quinoa etc.

You're really struggling here, I can see that. FR and PM me.

Blac's picture

5'9, 192lb, 14-15%bf
Gain mass, cut fat

Current diet - 500mg test-e/wk 12 weeks.

Monday+Thursday - 2600cals, 50fat, 280carbs, 260protein
Tuesday - 2500 cals, 65 fat, 200 carbs, 270 protein
Wednesday+Friday - 2400 cals, 100fat, 100 carbs, 265 protein
Saturday - 2100 cals, 90fat, 50 carbs, 280 protein
Sunday - 2150 cals, 90fat, 15 carbs, 310 protein

Lift usually at night time around 7pm. Work from home, on my couch w/ a laptop vast majority of my day.

Thoughts? First time on Test, and I'm finding myself really hungry... Should I up my calories a bit? marcos seem on point, but I keep feeling like I should be eating more if I want to get the most out of my test-e cycle?