+ 4 More and more stupid cycles
Is it just me getting older and more intolerant, or are we seeing more and more ridiculous cycles being posted up?
Anyone had a look in the logs recently? Go take a look. "I'm 180lbs, 2nd cycle, first was tren and 20%bf. My diet is in check. Want to run deca, test etc".
What's going on? Are we failing to help these guys? What can we do about it? More and more parroting in the cycles pages, lots of inexperienced folks giving inexperienced others advice. I feel like we (myself included) are failing these guys.
I'm guilty of not spending the time in the cycles pages that I used to, I apologise for that but it gets on my nerves sometimes. I have some ideas, wanted to hear others opinions.
My main idea was a team of "cycle advisors" that new members can recognise a tag etc so they know they can take good experienced real advice from. Thoughts?
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Most guys need to run stupid cycles for them selves to find out they are stupid. and well to be honest so have I. while I think that for your first 15 cycles you should consider logical cycles and compounds that generally go together, but ive also found that some of what people would call dumb cycles are effective. So as a newby go to beginner cycle section, as an intermediate go to that section, they are both located in groups. when you get advanced there is a section for that too but most advanced dont post their cycles.
Dont really know what to say here bro...... eroids has or is trying to take the next turn with the last couple of posts from nitti and pank who are trying to bring the info more in - line with 95% of members who are just normal folks, runners,fighters and the like..... i see myself as sort of redundant lately due to being nothing but hardcore bodybuilding orientated, so the increase in my MOD workload and my demise from info giving which to be honest was just bouncing off most folks heads as timed out perfectly..... saying this you are a bodybuilder at heart so i really dont know were you are going to fit into this "new realm"..... my steroid and stack knowledge is now nigh useless, as is any of my bulking diets due to this new set-up not being about size gain and over-development..... probably my cutting diets will be of some use but thats about it as far as i can see at this time.
Also i am back working as a full-time bodybuilder coach during the days now so i get my fulfillment in real time teaching people one on one from A-Z with real people that are committed and focused to get real results.
See the part where you are redundant or outdated not true because even though I am not a bodybuilder who has coached me more here than you! The difference between me and a lot of others who are new to the world off aas usage is I have no fear of hardcore coaching in fact I prefer it. I believe that any elite athlete in any realm prefers it.
I made my gains based on your knowledge and Nitti's unorthodox encouragement of off beat cycling. The true is if more bodybuilders here swallowed their pride they would hound you and bug you like I did until you have to give up the info.
We both don't believe in chasing students and unfortunately that has become the case a lot here. These other guys that Nitti brought to attention are guys who will probably be life long very good members and need aas more than anything to take back their lives. Due to illness and a lot of other issues that have cause their loss of confidence.
See the one crossover thing we all share is the determination to reach and achieve are goals without wavering Nitti know this as a fighter, you know it as a top notch bodybuilder and me as a professional solder and fighter. I have seen you on more than one occasion help and rescue the common user from being ganged up on so i refuse your theory on your input being useless.
Brother, you sound like you think that your voice or the bodybuilders voice is no longer accepted. That is way off. The only thing I want to change is the bashing of people for running aas in a way that you guys don't understand or for reasons unfamiliar to you. Bottom line is this site is overwealming majority bodybuilder. But it's still important to point out that it's not just a site for bodybuilders ya know. That's it! I'm tired of the athlete getting flamed for his cycle when the ppl flaming him have NO idea how effective those things that sound absurd actually are. Things like no test base , running one oral followed by another and overlapping. It's the type of stuff that would cause a karma gang rape in the forum. But these guys deserve to post freely as well don't they? We aren't trying to take eroids a different way. Just echo what's been Said the entire time I've been here and let everyone be heard. Bodybuilding is the key stone of this world. But there see others as well.
The day that "normal folk" start congregating at a site like eroids should be an epic event in world history.
I disagree with the notion that your advice is outdated nor no longer useful on this board. I feel that 80% of guys on here want to put on mass and cut. Your profile used to say that you believed in putting on lean quality mass all year long and shied away from dirty bulk cycles with a heavy cut.
That being said; are we still on for the gyno experiment this month? I am planning on starting this week.
If your not directly going to participate due to workload I would still very much appreciate your input on the group board. I have already had labs pulled and cycle ready to go for the most part.
Agreed completely. Great knowledge is applicable to any situation imo. Just because the goals are different doesn't mean the same chemicals behave different, nor does good diet advice cease to be good. Someone capable of doing a little thinking can tweak any great adivice to suit their purposes. And to be totally blunt, if you're incapable of some intelligent independent thought, you have no business using AAS.
BigBmajSome of the best advice I've gotten here was from you. You make huge contributions to this community.
The vast majority of us will most likely never be on stage as body builders. But to think for a minute that your input isn't important here is the furthest thing from the truth. Viking, to a great many of us you are the lightning rod of inspiration.
You are in your 50's and still look better and train harder than just about any of us, how is that for motivation? You ,my friend lead by example. We may never dial in at your level but for the average mortal a quarter of what you do will have a profound effect on us.
Nailed it mate.
Ahhh my man Vike, you are in no danger of becoming an eroids dinasaur, Bodybuilders are just as much a part of this site as the regular folk
I think the point of the recent posts are to realign the BB's that this is NOT a BB site so they need to shift their perspectives and be apart of the collective instead of viewing all NON BB's as stupid (not to imply that their aren't any uhmmm... undereducated members here) ;)
There are do many different goals here the "one size fits all" approach doesn't cut it IMO. Absolutely agree about anything non BB being viewed incorrectly Hllwd.
A broader base of knowledge and experience can only be a positive thing.
I am glad change is coming brother, but like i mentioned in PM to SDM on here we seem to have a lot of "talkers" and not enough "doers"..... the advanced cycle section was a big thing that eerbody wanted but died a quick death due to zero input.
Good! Weed those fucker out! Without a doubt we have more than out fair share of dudes who lose 20lbs of lean muscle as soon as they step away from the keybord LMFAO! For them the only ones they are getting over on is themselves. They do not have what it takes in the REAL world and live a quiet (yet sad) existence in the VIRTUAL. The rest of us dance with the IMMORTALS!
where is this advanced cycle section you speak off?? im very keen to see this.
we have a diverse group here, your knowledge and experience will always be needed here. there seems to be a cyclic shift here. in 6 months it may be more BB focused again. even if you arent giving advice on cycles your general compound knowledge and compound synergy far outweighs the majority of members here. so long as there is diversity we will always need a diverse group to lead.
As is always the case with our dialogue I appreciate the honesty. Some great points V.
Yes the tag would be a great idea my man. Some people got the number by their name but uploading pics of their wife's buttcrack so those numbers don't really translate to real world knowledge.
But I enjoy the occasional "butt crack pic" as long as it's a female of course. Those types of posts should not get any karma in my opinion, it only cheapens the system.
I uploaded 1920 butt-crack piccies to jac my karma........... have you not seen em lmao!...... hairy ones,shaved ones and some with a few diamantes lol
If they're your crack I'm negging 'em right now ;)
lol I find that easy I mean hard to believe; hopefully not your butt crack is all I am saying haha
Found vikes pic for you.
Look at that naughty girl, yeah you go ahead and vote you bad girl, lol
Aaaah fkn women piccie........ lookin like vikes is gonna be a single man again veeeery shortly.... last thing i wanted to see today was a chick pic
Here you go; this might even things out lol
This is a really difficult issue. It's one of demographics. The young people that visit here and choose to join the community only need basic stuff and with the right training and diets can live on the basics for years. And then there is the whole collection of old folk like me that like to experiment and get exotic. The wants and needs of the groups don't mix well. So, the decision has been made that this site is going to make health and safety a priority. Period. Protect the young folks. But the nature of the internet and the very structure of the website is such that young people are going to want to mix with the veteran dinosaurs that run grams of gear (we know who we are) and they are going to feel they are missing out on something which is not true at all. I have no idea how to sort this one out. Us old ones do have needs and the knowledge on this site is amazing. I learned more in a PM with one of the mods about fixing a cycle I'm running than from the bodybuilding consultants I pay a lot of money to to do my chemicals.
You're right, always a difficult issue. It's a balance between trying to push the boundaries and keep safe.
ZewiAnabolXI agree
i believe this is a great idea. i respect those with ADV, MOD, PRO, GURU. to me a tag speaks volumes, about the person who carries it in our community, the time spent in our community, their knowledge, use, and expertise. i would gladly offer my time and help to participate, although my knowledge is not as great as many others, i think you have really come up with something good for everyone here.
In general I agree, but there are multiple people here with ADV tags that don't know any more than members with sub 50 Karma. When I first joined karma was pretty much exclusively obtained by advice with the odd pic, often now the other way around.
Thanks for the support MW.
I haven't spent much time in the cycle pages either.. The best thing I can think of is correct the issue at the source.. who ever is giving bad advice needs to be spoken to right there.. I know we don't like starting arguments with other members but they're just going to continue to give wrong advice if nothing is said.. If the member giving wrong advice blows up or starts a huge argument do we really give a fuck about hurting their feelings? They're clearly not suited to give advice if they can't take it themselves.. just my two cents
That's a fantastic idea S! And maybe even charge a nominal fee like one dollar for anyone who wants to post a cycle. This would help compensate the cycle advisors.
Greg also just came up with a great idea (http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/test-open-book-test) to have a prerequisite test on a few common concepts. And I took it further and added that the 'create a cycle log' page could have a requirement to answer these questions before the page can be posted.
This may help weed out the group as mentioned by our highly esteemed Pank as those who are ignorant and only seek justification for what they're already going to do.
You have the makings of eRoids University, all we need now is an online certification exam, mascot, football team, and "Property of eRoids U" t-shirts ;-)
Hahaha. ED gets my vote for mascot.
RustyhookerI used to get into trouble for jumping on a skinny dude trying to cycle. Near 6ft tall and 160 at high bf%. There's obviously gial differences here but common sence has been replaced by parrots.
How about a post of 5 basic cycles with a summary of why they are built the way they are? Point everyone to them and if they want complain ask them reason factually they have a problem with the prescribed lay out. If they can't refute it with integrity in their argument then tell them you cannot wast your time with them. In fact that should be at the front of post. An up front contract if you will. Something that explains why we are doing this as a community and if any reputable members feels they are wasting their time then the deal is over on advice.
ZewiAnabolXjust for you brother.
sorry got tired only made 4
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/understand-aas-use-and-....
LOL I love it!
RustyhookerThe cycles group has that posted. Many newba just don't spend time reading.
I like this idea, but I worry how likely they are to read it when a big percentage can't even seem to take the time to read the rules these days.
Combining the idea of the cycle advisor test and people not reading the rules or any of the stickies. What if there was a basic multiple choice test that you would have to take before you were allowed to access the site beyond the stickies? Not anything hard. All the answers would be located in the stickies. It would at least force people to read the rules and have some basic knowledge before they could post or ask questions that are already answered in stickies.
I think that is a great idea S! I have visited the cycle log more than ever before and I know what you mean. Also I have seen two types of people posting those who are ignorant and really do want help and accept correction willingly with gratitude. The other group just as ignorant but want justification for what they are already planning on doing thus making them arrogant and stupid.
I have to remind myself that there are those who want and need help it is just sometimes they get drowned out by the foolish ones. But I am all in for whatever assistance you want.
You've raised one of the main points that occurs to me, separating those two groups. It's hard to tell where it's going at the early stages, but becomes apparent throughout the dialogue. My thought in the "cycle advisors" idea is that it should help push that on a little quicker. A lot of my frustration, and I'm guessing others too is when I invest a chunk of my rather expensive time to get back "well I'm going to do it anyway" way down the line.
Thanks for the support Pank. Be interesting to hear what we can grind out here and what mods think.
GearofWarIt sucks but you can teach, counsel, and advise until the cows come home but if it falls on deaf ears what can we do? I suppose you could place a disclaimer at the bottom of any post in which you offer any advice whatsoever. Only the guys that care about their health and well-being are going to take it to heart. Can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Right?
I am not an expert on cycle advice. But Muta is right, most younger guys (I am 43 so I can say that:) have pretty much made up their minds already and are just looking for confirmation on their proposed cycle. So it is frustrating to try and get your point across whenever you have solid information that you KNOW is valuable and beneficial.
But isn't that the same in life? You can tell your kids not to drink and drive, wear protection....etc. However, they do what they want and learn from their experience. You want to protect them, and if they listened early on, they would have a huge head start in life matters.
It's the same old story really....I even have guys at my gym who the novice users look up to for advice. One "expert" is 26 years old that never comes off. His cruise is 1gram of test. This guys is looking at trt for sure....but he looks good and that is what these young guys want...to look good.
I once heard someone say on here, "it's a marathon, not a race." That stuck with me. And I for one appreciate what you guys say and the advice you give.
So thank you....even though you may not hear it very much or feel appreciated. Believe it or not, your contributions are hitting home for a lot of guys.
Its a marathon not a race, thats my saying that I use quite a bit here haha
Then it was probably you...lmao. Got any other good ones?
Good post.
I try to give advice but every time I do I end up getting frustrated. No one posts a log for opinions/ advice anymore. They post to justify their cycle and they pick the one person that responds that is telling them what they want to hear. Welcome to the age of self entitlement and the I want it now mentality. I fall into the I want it now category but the difference between me in the others is that I do everything possible to achieve it. I commented in a cycle log the other day about a guy that looked like he Zumba twice a week for the last month and was getting ready to run a cycle because he couldn't get his stomach flat and get stronger...really!? You can't stop people from having that mentality because they aren't going to listen. If we tag members as people that give advice people still won't listen unfortunately. As far is the I experienced parroting I hear... I think I'll just start negging people who give bad advice. It's ridiculous the newer members jump on and basically copy and paste what they have been told when the member who is askin advice has no fucking clue. When I joined here, people used to make people go do research if they had so etching incorrect or didn't understand something...now people just go here is what you do.