posted Sat, 06/22/2013 - 12:00
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I'm competing in my state NAS in October, and I have been toying with the idea of cutting down to 200 and competing as a LW. I would try to cut down in the week or so before the comp. The idea behind this is that I would then be at the upper spectrum of that weight class.
I've never really cut before, my training and interests a mostly strength and athletic goal orientated. My question is to you guys that cut for your contests or maybe any MMA guys. I'm curious how much strength you lose? I mean is it drastic amounts? I know obviously you lose some strength, and maybe this is a dumb question, but how weak does it make you? The weigh ins are the day before the comp so I'd have that time for some recovery.
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WithdrawlYou really do lose strength bro. Depending on how much you cut of course. For fighting it isn't too bad because you can still keep your endurance and most of your strength, but I couldn't imagine cutting weight and then having to do max lifts. I think they would suffer greatly. I think you'd be better off using methods to decrease fat and overall muscle mass slowly over time. Cutting weight sucks big time bro. I cut 16 lbs my last fight and weighed in the day before. I gained it all back in the next 24 hrs, plus a couple lbs, and still felt depleted. My overall cardio was still good but strength wise I was not near my peak. It really takes it's toll. For MMA it's ok because a big size difference can more than make up for some lost strength but in a strongman competition it would be pretty bad.
BirmonThanks dude, that's what I needed to hear. Maybe I should focus on adding more muscle then and going to the top of MW class. This particular contest the events are kind of more strength/endurance. Mostly reps, but still you can win or lose by 1 or 2 reps. I appreciate your input.
you got me here?.. what type of comp are you talking about... clearly not bodybuilding because there is no way on earth you can cut in a week.... do you mean boxing
BirmonNo, it's a Strongman competition.
Alright ...... thanks bro.
Basic carb depletion and fluid control for 3/4 days should do the trick... if you are in good condition your strength should not drop at all IMO.
BirmonThanks! I'll research and come up with a plan since I've never done it before. I'll run it by you when it gets closer if you don't mind.
WithdrawlI'll agree with this. It's when you start doing massive food depletion and dehydration that you'll really run into some serious strength loss that will require more than just a day to get back.
X2....... i went off birmons quote that it will only be for a week without much weight loss..... as you say a longer cut with mass loss would inevitably burn into his strength drastically.
BirmonThanks, good insight
If y'all are on speaking terms Nitti could prolly help you out with this.
Most important question: when is the weigh-in? Day before? Day of?
BirmonThey are the day before. About 16 hours before the start of the comp.
That should be time enough to do a dehydration and rehydration set. You could get down to 210-215 and dehydrate. You would walk into the event 210-215+
I'm under the impression that Nitti has more experience with temporary cuts than myself. If he can't help you I can give you a hand. It will require sodium depletion, lots of sweating, a spit cup, etc. though
BirmonI sent you a FR, thanks man
RustyhookerI've not been below 8% in many years. But typically when cutting hard I'm more lethargic from carb depletion or carb cycling. I didn't personally notice strength loss but lack of a full pump again, lack of carbs. Depending on your chems chosen for stsge prep.....anavar boosted my strength even given the carb depletion. The guys who hit the stage will have better insight on final needs to make you win. Found old read that's interesting. Being lean before stage so mass loss isn't bad prior is about the best i could offer here.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/you-want-a-cutter
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/why-cant-i-feel-my-cycle
BirmonHmmm, interesting, thanks for linking those.
Right now I'm doing the low Sust/Primo cycle finishing with Winny. Hopefully I will be able to maintain the same weight while adding strength. I think you're right, it would be easier on my body to go into a cut leaner, then to bulk up and try to cut down quickly. I have no experience with Anavar, I will have to talk with you more about that sometime
RustyhookerHope to see ya post that big trophy!
200lbs is a LW? How much do you need to cut down? There are many variables that would need to be answered to give you a legit answer. I suggest hiring a coach.
Birmon200 and under is LW. 200-230 is MW, and 230 up is HW. Right now I'm 220. When I'm in good shape I'm around 210-215. I live in a small, remote town so I wouldn't be able to hire a coach but that is a good idea.