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+ 15 **Caber what you need to know. Liquid or tab the good the bad the ugly.**

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Ok I writing this because I've been seeing to many hits and misses with this ancillary.
If your going to run 19's you know to have Caber or Prami on hand. There are a few research chem
companys on the board who handle caber in liquid form but before you go that route understand that caber is very poor in liquid form. One Src stated on his web site that caber is only good for 30 days in liquid form. I talked with another SRC who makes caber. He handles caber but in tab form. What is the reason he went that way? He said that caber is too unstable in liquid form. So what's a gear head to do? I can't tell you here where to buy it but I can tell you what form to look for. Go with tabs. When it comes to the medium of a drug in an UGL sense and dose( the accuracy of a dose in .5 mg) go tabs first, liquids 2nd, caps last.
There are several src's here who make their own tabs. Keep in mind that caber in powder form is costly.
I know they are popular but the problem is these src's run out. The next is buy Pharma grade. Again I know very expensive but you are getting the real deal and it only takes .5-1mg a wk to keep things in check. How do I know this? It's been studied this is not bro science it is fact.
:Pharmacodynamics
Dose response with inhibition of plasma prolactin, onset of maximal effect, and duration of effect has been documented following SINGLE cabergoline doses to healthy volunteers(0.05 to 1.5 mg) and hyperprolactinemic patients (0.3 to 1 mg). In volunteers, prolactin inhibition was evident at doses >0.2 mg, while doses ≥0.5 mg caused maximal suppression in most subjects. Higher doses produce prolactin suppression in a greater proportion of subjects and with an earlier onset and longer duration of action.
In 12healthy volunteers, 0.5, 1, and 1.5 mg doses resulted in complete prolactin inhibition,with a maximum
effect within 3 hours in 92% to 100% of subjects after the 1 and 1.5 mg doses compared with 50% of subjects after the 0.5 mg dose.
In hyperprolactinemic patients (N=51), the maximal prolactin decrease after a 0.6 mg single dose of
cabergoline was comparable to 2.5 mg bromocriptine; however, the duration of effect was markedly longer
(14 days vs. 24 hours). The time to maximal effect was shorter for bromocriptine than cabergoline
(6 hours vs. 48 hours)

In 72 healthy volunteers, single or multiple doses (up to 2 mg) of cabergoline resulted in selective inhibition of prolactin with no apparent effect on other anterior pituitary hormones (GH, FSH, LH, ACTH, and TSH) or cortisol.
The elimination half-life of cabergoline estimated from urinary data of 12 healthy subjects ranged
between 63 to 69 hours. The prolonged prolactin-lowering effect of cabergoline may be related to its slow
elimination and long half-life.( For those who were wondering the half-life for Prami is 8-12 Hrs)
(So the half life is between 2.6 to 2.8 days and if your using more than .5mg wk and your prolactin is not dropping then something is very wrong)

So where do we go? Right here on eroids and we look and search. But what do we look for. Although I can't tell you what SRC to buy from (remember the rules) I can tell you what drugs to look for. One is Dostinex which use to be approved in the US by the FDA but no longer is.(was taken off the FDA approved list in 2008) It is sold by several src's but it is expensive and comes in 8 tabs to box. Another is Cabasar comes in 1mg and 2mg dose 20 tabs to a bottle. Again several src's handle it. Cost less than the Dostinex brand which makes sense as it was never approved for use in the US. Another to look for is Cabgolin comes in .5mg dose 4 to a box. Again several handle it.
So how do I find it? Real simple you research. I would look in 2 places the gear pic section and the lab pic section. Why there? Glad you asked I'll tell you. In the gear pic section you have someone who has the actual product and it will list where he bought it from. You also have someone to talk with to find out if its good or bad. The lab pic section will list blood work. It will show if said product is working. You will have actual proof that a product is good or bad. All lab tests have SUBMITTED IN COURTESY OF at the bottom left of the picture which lists the src. Again you have someone to talk to. Someone who has used the product. You can then pick their brain about it. So there you have it. One other thing. Remember the Fakeosaurus is hiding in the brush waiting to take a bite out of your wallet and it is no different here. These products are faked but if you do your home work you'll be fine.
What about the ugly. The ugly is this, I've been seeing far to many cases of a few src's selling products that are not working are underdosed. This is a plea to the Research Chem src's to start testing their batches before they send it to market. I'd hate to see someone really run into a major problem. Start checking shelf life which appears to be a major problem with Liquid Caber. Do this and your market share will increase don't and you know what word of mouth will do, your business will suffer. The ball is in your court. Make it happen.
As always if you like this post let me know, if not I'm all ears. If you can think of anything to add to this discussion lets hear it.
Update on caber half-life The human elimination half-life is estimated to be 63 to 68 hours in patients with Parkinson's disease and 79 to 115 hours in patients with pituitary tumors. Average elimination half-life is 80h.The therapeutic effect in treatment of hyperprolactinemia will typically persist for at least 4 weeks after cessation of treatment.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2011/020664s011lbl.pdf
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/ucm266663.htm
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2013/020667s029lbl.pdf
http://www.eroids.com/pics/where-to-buy-legit-hgh-and-increase-your-odds...
http://www.eroids.com/pics/updatedlab-reports-102-testosterone-how-to-pr...

BodyRocks's picture

Just received liquid caber today. Hard to pass up $25 deal.
I had read recently that it isn't as unstable as most claim. Like what exactly would make it unstable? Because all medications have a shelf life.... As long as it wasn't a really old batch it should be fine. There a lot of people claiming it works just fine for them when used promptly.

Also, liquid caber isnt an oral, it is sublingual (absorbed thru mucus membranes) so swish it around til it's gone.

I got good prami from a research chem site and the morning nausea was to much for me. Is that an issue with caber? I've yet to run it and won't need til a couple weeks.

tonytulo's picture

The only prolactin control I use is pharma only I'm not taking any chances, the risks are not worth saving a few bucks........ Liquid caber has been proven to be unstable and will not last long, research and you shall see for yourself. Make sure to separate bro science from fact tho.

BodyRocks's picture

You are right about pharma being the most reliable option. I don't doubt it.
I did do lots of research into whether liquid is worth buying, and it showed that it is, and it works for a lot of people. And after all the searching, i still found nothing concrete or more than hearsay.
Lots of positive hearsay, saying it does the job. A bunch of broscience...indeed.
where can one find any real science on it?

What's your take on the pharma grade liquid caber known as galastop? its not for humans but still a liquid form of caber.

tonytulo's picture

There are about ten brewers running around here that will tell you that caber cannot stay suspended in liquid form just like test 1000 isnt possible. Its science my friend. There are also 50 guys more or less running around leaking prolactin after depending on some cheap research chem caber that would also agree. I would much rather take something I know will work , rather than guessing and than scrambling when its too late , then dealing with the side effects. I don't care to woe you my friend and could actually care less what your decision ends up being. But when your dick won't work and you could put milk in your coffee without stepping near the fridge to grab the gallon I'll be saying I told you so. Now if that's something you'd like to gamble on and you think the potential side effects are worth saving a few bucks by all means go for it. But it is extremely common knowledge in this under ground lifestyle that liquid caber is not stable for long and you will pay the price. Choice is yours good luck. I don't care to argue , don't care to debate that's my opinion take it or leave it. If it was a easy as buying 25 dollar prolactin control everyone would be doing it.

BodyRocks's picture

You can go on and say you told me so....because you were right.
im admitting my mistake so others won't feel tempted by anything I previously posted in defense of liquid caber.
I did immediately order tabs like u suggested, but they've yet to land....
And I'd heard A LOT that there is a short time frame the liquid is good so I chanced it. That was a mistake.... Nip squeeze test....failed.
Boy that was quick too. Just got on.

tonytulo's picture

Told you so :). Knowledge is expensive sometimes thankfully you didn't have any major problems do to the screw up. But, you can now tell people also that it just isn't possible and you know because you've experienced it first hand. If it isn't pharma grade caber I don't want it and I hope you have the same outlook now. I one upped you because its not every day someone will admit they're wrong , definitely a good characteristic to have brother.

BodyRocks's picture

Thanks for looking out. I worded my last post carefully to convey I wasn't debating and was just searching for straighter answers. Something solid among so much unsubstantiated debate already.
Word from the brewers themselves is good. I'll take your word for that.

Denser's picture

Great post bro! +1

markymark's picture

goodstuff

Drywallstar's picture

Great post. If only people would do research themselves!!!!!!! I am using cabaser for my next run that includes npp. +1

snuka2012's picture

Nice post. +1

Gtone70's picture

Thanks, Great post, I have it on hand for next cycle

Theophany's picture

Awesome post Mega! Thanks bro. Adding it to favorites +1

thekaz's picture

Good post. Liquid caber is rollin the dice. I aint riskin being milked

Makwa's picture

Nice post. Not planning on running any 19's in near future but good to have this as a reference for when I do.

mhman's picture

Absolutely, positively MeggaT. When it comes to Serms/AI's it's hard pressed tabs all the way, no cutting corners here.

uneditedname's picture

Nice post! I've been told to have caber on hand for pct, not just when using tren or DECA, is this true?

MegaT883's picture

Yes and No. There's an old male fertility study (1988) that showed that clomid (which was given at 25mg day for 25days) increased prolactin 1.22 which is 22%. So the answer is no. Yes if your prolactin levels are high normal to begin with.For 99.9% of you it's still NO. What the study doesn't show is what the prolactin levels were before and after. SO as an example if you have a prolactin level like I do which is 4.6 a 22% rise would make my prolactin 5.6 the blood test reference range is 4-15.2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3140618?ordinalpos=39&itool=EntrezSys...

onlybuster's picture

Good info bro