Adding test prop to trt dose of test cyp.
Wondering if anyone has used test prop and cypionate together for a first blast? I currently use 200mg/wk of test cyp, prescribed by a Dr. Just had bloods done and total test came back at 1735. Diet is strictly dialed in, have meal prepped for a long time. I don't have a good reason to blast other than I just wanna get more swole. I don't compete, don't plan on competing at anything. Have never done any more test than what has been prescribed to me. Curious if using test prop at a still undecided amount on top of my twice a week 100mg cyp would be advisable. Or if it would be smarter to just do more cyp and pin more often. Or if there's a third option? Not really interested in taking other compounds yet. First time blasting or cycling or whatever you wanna define it as. Honest question here, first time posting. Thanks in advance.
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I agree with what the other members in this thread have said about your “trt” numbers being too high but it looks like you’re listening and willing to take advice so I won’t beat a dead horse.
I think your plan for a blast with prop is great. If you continue to run the test c at 200 for the blast I’d start at like 25 mg a day and titrate up every couple weeks until you notice sides. Have an AI on hand to manage e2, don’t let BP get out of control, ramp calories up as you increase the dose and lift heavy and often. And, hardest part for me, don’t get greedy or stupid. If you only have five weeks at a time between bloods skip the titration and shoot for 500-600 mg a week of total testosterone, you’re already basically blasting anyway and should handle that okay. After you’ve done it a couple times maybe consider adding some mast p or var bit make sure you have everything dialed in first. Good luck buddy, looking forward to seeing the results.
Yeah definitely getting some extremely good advice. Soaking it in. I'm pretty concerned with the long game. Want to get my trt dose dialed in and get my BP dialed in. Wanna stay healthy. I didnt realize my trt dose was out of control until I came here. So you guys may have legit added years to my life potentially... Who knows. I am definitely pumped for my first blast but probably gonna be a couple months down the line based on my feedback from the pros here. Can't tell you guys how much I appreciate it.
I've done this. Honestly your current dose is plenty to help put on some size with those numbers. I've added test p, npp, tren a and mast p (not all at the same time) on top of my normal trt dose in the past. My reasoning it that so long as i keep the normal test c dosage going there won't be any dips in my test levels when trying to switch back from p to c. I def put on some decent muscle in just 8 weeks of adding 350 test p and 175 npp to my normal 120 mg test c dosing. It's def something you can do if you're so inclined.
There's also the option of using short esters as a kickstart to a cycle of longer esters. If you want to do test c for 16 weeks you can do p for the first 3ish weeks to get your test levels peaking earlier than they would if you went with just test c. Same with using npp to kick off deca or mast a for mast e, tren a for tren e, etc.
If you don't mind me asking, what kind of total test numbers are you getting with 125mg test c a week?
About 900 ng/dl
Well I pin twice a week and towards the end of the week I will had a half a ml of Prop to a half ml of 450 blend. For me it works great and honestly testosterone Prop is the best its just that I don't want to pin myself every other day so I use it sparingly.
So 275mg/wk, right? Do you stay at that dose permanently, or is that a blast? thanks for the response
No Im doing 500mg/wk. I just pin twice a week splitting it in half. I am on a cycle, been running some deca and tren as well.
Ah got it. I mis read the part where you said you inject twice weekly. Maybe a stupid question, but with all those compounds and that much test you must be getting massive, eating a ton etc. so, post cycle and on a cruise are you able to maintain a diet dependent level of those gains?
Yes, you lose some of it when you go off cycle but as long as you have a clean diet eat lots of protein and workout, you can stay pretty strong. On cycle of course gives you more strength and yes the combo I am doing puts on a lot of muscle. It makes your arms huge to where people want to come up and touch them. The key to being on gear and getting the full potential is to have a clean diet and make sure to hit the gym. I cycle with a buddy, and it's only his second cycle but he has had such a dramatic change that friends and family he hasn't seen in a while drop their jaw on the floor because of how much muscle he has put on. He was a skinny guy but not anymore.
Hell ya. That's awesome.
1735 is not a drs script
Well I go to a pharmacy and pick up my test every six weeks. But you're correct, nowhere in my prescription does it say 1735.
So youre currently on a cycle. Above normal skewes your health. Lipids, e2 etc
Correct. Unwittingly so. you are correct that my test has raised my BP. the rest of my blood panel is all within range other than total test. i am going to take steps to get my test in the range that it's healthy and get my BP down and wait a few months before I intentionally blast. I appreciate all the advice.
Neither is 200mg a week.
That’s debatable. Everyone reacts to test differently. On pharm grade Dr prescribed test I’ve seen people over 1000ng/dl on 80mg a week, and people barely at 1000 on 200mg per week. Though 200mg a week will likely put even the least sensitive responders at the high end of normal, but still within normal.
That is true, personally I have never seen a knowledgeable doctor not cut a script down if levels are that high. Every doc I have seen starts at 75mg then works up until we hit the magic number. However I usually see a specialist and I just read this is his primary care.
Ya I’ve never seen a doctor not cut the dose either when levels are that high. I wish that was my doctor. Id cut the dose in half myself and save up all the extra for pharm grade blasts lol.
I see a specialist for this like you, but mine does the opposite. I assume her thinking is people have Been feeling like shit for so long let’s quickly get them up to a level where they’re feeling good and then go down from there. So she started me at 150mg a week and then did blood work at 5 weeks and adjusted from there. 5 weeks in if you’re high you’ve probably only been high for a week or two given the length of time it take for cyp to reach peak levels in the blood. And 150mgs a week would put most people only a few hundred points above the high end of the range, if they’re high at all. So for most people being at say 1500ng/dl for 2 weeks isn’t going to be harmful. And most people are feeling pretty good by then. Compared to taking like 3 or more months to titrate up from 75 and if that dose isn’t enough for you then you spend the first month or three still feeling like crap.
Do you suppose i should titrate down to 100mg/wk or is it okay to just halve my dose? i can schedule blood work whenever I want. Also, what do you think the changes in the way I feel will be? I've been cruising at around 1700-1900 for 14 months. So this has just been my normal for quite a while. Funny that I came here to ask about a big ol first blast, and 12 hrs later cutting my dose in half instead hahahaha.
It’s fine to just half your dose, no reason to taper down. I’d probably go down to 120ish per week. Dose to test levels aren’t a linear. So being 1725 at 200 doesn’t mean you’ll be 862 at 100. After adjusting your dose you’ll want to wait 2-3 weeks to level out before doing bloods. I don’t think you’ll notice a ton of difference in the positives you’ve been feeling. Maybe slighter lower, but still high libido. Maybe slight decrease in strength in the gym. Maybe a little decrease in the Superman feeling you’ve had going on.
Awesome. Thanks so much. You have been more than helpful.
what’s the goal of your cycle? Bulk or cut? If it’s to cut I think your current test levels already have you in a great place to retain max muscle while shedding Bf. A first cycle Is a terrible thing to waste on a cut in my opinion. Always best to use it for bulking. Although I do wonder what level of desensitization you have going on with your receptors since your test levels are already 2-3 times above average natural levels.
Adding prop in is a fine plan. That lets you drop back down to baseline quickly if necessary and make dosage adjustments on the fly and see the effects of it quick. Are you prescribed an AI? That’s something you want to have on hand and may be necessary when you double your test levels. Blood pressure is a concern if it’s already 135/75 on your current dose. It could push up quite a bit higher on a higher dose of test so keep a close eye on that. Keeping your estrogen and water retention in check with an AI if necessary will help to some extent. How’s your hematocrit been on your labs while on TRT? That’s another thing to watch out for. If it’s high on your TRT dose it will be even higher on a higher dose.
Id probably add in something like 75mg Eod, or half that ED. Get you over 450mg a week. When you finish you probably want to consider cutting that TRT dose damn near in half. 800-1000ng/dl is the high end of where you want to be long term. Something like 125mg a week would likely put you in that range. I’m surprised your doctor didn’t cut your dose when he saw those results. Your BP will likely decrease by doing so.
My Dr is a she actually. I'm actually concerned she isn't too well versed in hormone replacement because I've voiced concerns about my test levels being hot as hell and she doesn't seem concerned. She is my primary care physician. Could also go to her with a broken arm, sore throat etc.. she checked my blood January 2024 because I couldn't get a boner and was literally not turned on for vagina, getting weak as hell, putting on weight etc, and my test was 120. Was 37 at the time. Started at 200 a week and have been there since. So you're probably right, I do need to get it lower. If I'm being honest I've just been having fun getting fuckin jacked for the last year. Been stalled out for a few months, tinkered with the diet a bit. Still stalled. After reading your comment, it would probably be wise to lower my dose and get my BP dialed in before jacking ot up higher. Another commenter said I've been "low key blasting already" and he is right. It's been fun as hell tho.
Ya most PCPs are not knowledgeable about TRT. But that’s awesome man, I would do 1 of 2 things. Regardless when you come off this blast and forever going forward you need to lower that dose to get your test below 1000. I think 100-125mg will get you there. But confirm on your next blood test and adjust up or down from there. You’ll still feel awesome at 800-1000. Then keep filling your script as frequently as if you were still taking 200mg a week and save all that extra up until you can run a straight pharm grade test C cycle. Obviously don’t tell her you lowered your dose. Alternatively, if you think she will fall for it you could say I’m not feeling as good as I was before, she checks your levels they’re down under 1000 now and you suggest she ups your dose more, as you felt better when your levels were higher. So you have even more extra and can save up that much more. But she may catch on. Only you know your doctor well enough to know if they’ll work.
You mentioned your gains have slowed. That happens on cycle after a while, which is really what you on at those test levels. Your receptions become desensitized or downregulate. Would gains restart if you added in 250-300mg of prop a week? Maybe. What what benefit you the most is coming down to a real trt dose like I mentioned and staying there for a good 3-6 months. Then do a real cycle, preferably with the pharma test c you’re saving. Maybe with prop kicker to get things going quick. The results will be dramatically better than if you started it now.
Man, I wish I could thumbs you up way more than once. Thank you so much for your advice. Makes perfect sense. I'm honestly getting a little concerned with the BP, so going to do exactly what you suggested and lower the dose. You answered my next question already about how much to lower it. I'll just keep getting bloods and see where I end up. Save up the extra and blast in a couple months. Definitely wanna try propionate tho. I also have several unused scripts of anastrozole that I haven't used cause they made my estrogen too low. Thankyou very much again.
Well you're low key already blasting but...
I love test prop. If you wanted to run a a good first cycle and add prop into your 200mg Test cyp dose.
100mg test cyp twice a week totaling 200mg
30mg test prop ed totaling 210mg
Or since your already injecting pretty often. 60mg test prop ed totaling 420mg
Wouldn't be a bad first test only cycle.
Hey thanks for the response. I was alarmed at my test levels. Was actually 1950 60 days before. Dr said it's likely because I got my blood work the day after I injected these last two times. Either way the rest of my panel looked good. BP is a little high (135/75). Much appreciate the advice. I'm thinking I might go with either exactly or very close to what you suggested, and if things aren't going well can just go back to my regular trt dose. Thanks again.