posted Tue, 07/08/2025 - 04:42
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I'm sure I'm not the only one that's contemplated pinning up some no ester tester on big bench day, PRing everything and then beating up the old ladies guts and then re roofing the house. I'm sure some of you have actually done it. Is it as awesome as it sounds? Horror stories? I'm kind of a newb so all perspectives welcome. I've heard estrogen control is an issue with test no ester, but is there a way to circumvent that issue?
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Read this....then reponder action vs goal
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-...
Very enlightening stuff, and of course huge thanks to @irongame427 for taking the time to write something so detailed and awesome. I guess what I'm concluding is that no ester test would be best used just as an ego boost basically? Which is still awesome, but not exactly my number one goal. Getting stronger AND bigger for more than just a couple hours is haha. It still does sound fun tho. Just not AS fun.
Everything is a tool in our toolbox. Knowing when and how is the way to do it. Enjoy!
Thankyou very much for linking me that post. And for all the help. I think without you guys, I'd be literally pinning random things all the time. I'm pretty impulsive hahaha.
I run it all time. Always have it on hand.
I’ve run it a bunch of times pre workout. It’s fun stuff. But you do need to be careful. It’s really easy to all of a sudden be on 1.5 grams of test a week when you’re shooting 100mg of TNE pre workout. I never had any issues with it. Aqua test is cool too, if you can get it to flow through the damn needle without clogging over and over again. This old source here used to have a bunch of cool preworkout stuff. A 50/50 test and tren no ester, I think it was called TNT. That stuff was badass, 50/50 dbol Anadrol in oil. And a couple others im forgetting.. They were all pretty sweet.
One of the OGs of this place, Viking once gave me a TNE cycle to run to blow up after a hard cut. Injecting it like 3x a day lol. I never got around to running it though but he talked about some sick results from it.
As a newb I wouldn’t mess with it for the first cycles until you really know how your body responds and how to control estrogen. If you ever do, 50mg pre workout is sufficient. I think it’s probably better left to power lifters chasing PRs. Not guys doing this for muscle Gain and aesthetics. Not sure there was any additional gains with it.
I just ordered 4 bottles and a couple bottles of Cialis. Pressed order just before reading your response lol. To your point about no appreciable muscle gain or aesthetics, that's kind of a bummer and something I was wondering about, as those two things are my focus. But in any event since I'll own 4 bottles in a month or so I'll give it a try.
No horror stories here. No E2 control issues either. Maybe if you’re already teetering on the high end about to get negative sides. But if you’re dialed in mid cycle or even want a little boost during cruise time, TNE is amazing. Give it a go. I’ve tried 25mg, 50mg, and 100mg. I’d say linear relationship between “boost” and dose. Do 100mg on leg day, and you’ll look at the clock and be like oh shit I’ve been here two hours I need to go.
Hahaha I dunno man... I dunno if I could ever not notice a two hour leg day... But I'm definitely getting pumped about TNE!
I've run tonnes of this stuff back in the years when I still had the willpower to be injecting before training sessions LOL I've run it by itself, with added Dbol and with added Adrol. If you get some good stuff then it sure does feel incredible pretty much as soon as you inject it, almost like doing recreational drugs for the first time lol You'll wonder why you never tried it before now and how can just testosterone with no ester attached to it feel so fuckin good compared to say Enanthate lol I always went with 1 to 1.5ml before training, allowing time for something to eat too because as soon as I injected the stuff it makes me hungry as hell 10 minutes later.
Its pretty much active to use for the next 3 hours and you'll feel it all the time its available. I always found TNE/Base the most effective when performing Big CNS driven exercises such as Deadlifts, Squats, Heavy barbell curls and less so on Bench press. I think because you are laid down when benching and although its a big exercise, as its much less taxing than say deadlifts there isn't as big a requirement for it to lift well. Its fairly easy to recover between sets after pressing too as opposed to a heavy bastard set of deads or squats where you often feel like death for the few minutes straight afterwards. Half the battle with Squats and Deads is the sheer mental challenge of it all and getting through them, when you feel more positive and happy they will seem easier and less intimidating which is where TNE comes in too as its a euphoric feeling it gives. You get your energy levels and breath back much quicker too feeling much less fatigued. I often see many guys stressing over how much extra A.I they should take to allow for the extra Testosterone added to a cycle, but you shouldn't really see it like that or worry over it is my view as its only active for probably 4 hours in total.
You will often see it advertised as TNE/Base with Sources but if you read the small print it will say 'suspended in water' which is actually classed as Test Suspension and NOT Test NO Ester - this is the stuff that has to be shaken each time to resuspend it so you can inject it but beware - This stuff is often an Absolute BITCH to get through most needles and will clog at will, meaning you are stood there in the bathroom with a 1.5" Green needle hanging out of your arse shouting and swearing as you realise that no matter what - it is not going to go in!! So you have to pull out and start all over again in the hopes it will work better next go round. Honestly, don't bother with this stuff - Get the TNE or Base that is properly suspended in Oil that will inject every time. Sure the Suspension version hits slightly quicker in the bloodstream but we are talking milliseconds here, nothing of any consequence in training whatsoever.
I was going to post a more detailed response but press has said all I was going to and more. I ran 100 mg three times a week or so on my last cycle and like he said, the harder and heavier the exercise the more the tne will help. I found that I got the best results if I injected about an hour before the gym and ate some simple carbs (around 100g) before with plenty of water. I think it packs glycogen straight into the muscles super efficiently but maybe it was just psychological. Either way, I PRed pretty much much every lift (except squats, but that’s another story) on that cycle including a 2 plate strict overhead press which has been a goal for me for a long time. So in summary, TNE is awesome and 100% worth a try if you are working on strength. It also doesn’t spike my BP as much as orals for some reason. I say go for it, I’ll be cycling it again in strength phases for sure.
In terms of muscle growth, was there much to speak of in your experience? Or is the short (non existent) half life a hinderance in that area? I guess I'm not versed very well yet in how peds work in a linear way in relation to their respective esters.
My take on TNE/Base is kind of the same as with Creatine - whilst it is in you it allows you to 'Over reach' the strength level that you are currently at. Yes, this will create extra soreness in the muscle that you wouldn't normally experience as you usually wouldn't be able to do a lift or rep with that particular load so you could say it makes you stronger as it forces extra adaptation within the muscle fibre. But like creatine, does it make you stronger and create extra growth from the properties of the compound itself? - I'm not sure. Then like creatine, once you no longer lift with it in you - you can no longer hit those higher weights. So the problem ends up being mate that to keep getting stronger you therefore always have to keep using it to enable you to sit at that higher strength level to begin with. This is what ended up happening to me with deadlifts so I simply couldn't hit cetain levels without using it before training, I also couldn't afford to keep buying it either LMAO. BUT it is still fun and a great experience to use
Great thing about it is it creates a lot of extra strength and energy without damaging you in any way like Orals or Trenbolone do.
I run 2 brands thru slin pin 27 easily.
Pin tne bout hour pwo with carbs
Half life considered it with start ramping bout hour 2. 6hr half life vs 4hrs water suspension. If it starts hitting tail end of lifting then adjust pin timing. Newb....wouldnt advise til youre getting bloodwork consistantly and e2 proven. Knowing ai as/if needed.
Sides....estrogen spike. @Milfpounder
Jock, I run it with the same protocol, 1 hour before with carbs and plenty of water. In your experience, how much of a difference do you think the carbs make? I felt that the synergy between the tne and carb loading was way more powerful than the times I was rushed and just used tne on its own.
This is an awesome question. Looking forward to reading the answers. Taking notes here
It works basically the same way as Dianabol does, in that it promotes heavy glycogenosis within the muscle where water and glycogen get rammed into the muscle fibre promoting extra contractile force/strength and available energy during a rep.
Boom!! @press1
This is what I have suspected, thanks for chiming it
You are smart as hell. Thank you for sharing all this stuff with us.
You wanna talk about getting stronger - I'm your man!!! You wanna talk about cutting - I'm not your man LMFAO
Or beans and eggs and sun dresses
I get all my weight loss advice from Oprah. I come here for all my other needs.
Mate, if you get rid of that awful avatar then I'll accept your FR Lmao
Hahahahaha my kids showed it to me and I can't stop laughing at it
You've run Test Suspension ie. Test powder in water through a 27G Insulin needle?
I get blood work every 90 days thru Dr. I actually just lowered my test from 200/wk to 150/wk to try to get to a more reasonable baseline dialed in so in the future I can do a proper blast. I'm trying to do everything right, but I'll be damned if pinning tne doesn't have me itching hahaha. Thank you for your response, as always.
Appreciate the detailed response my dude! I think I'm definitely gonna order some up and give it a go. I mean it sounds amazing. I agree with you that squats/deads are a big mental battle. Not having to talk myself into my 4th/5th set of heavy squats sure would be nice. Do you still dabble with it or is it a thing of the past for you?
Let’s goooo!!! Now I’m extremely excited about getting some TNE in!
Hahahaha same here man!