+ 1 Well my blood work has changed some things. Advice on cycle needed
Well I went to the welcome center and gave a pretty detailed set of information aboiut myself and my plan while being as anonymous as possible. I told everyone I was waiting on my bloodwork. My body knew I need a boost and it was telling me I guess. I was about to start a standard cycle 500 mg test E 12 week, and prepare with Clomid and NOVA.
My bloodwork came back. All vitals and every single test my doctor could think of was perfect, UNTIL I got to the testosterone part.
I had a plan, I have researched and worked out for over two years and went from very overweight to 6 1" and 214 lbs. I am ready. My diet is right, but here is my testosterone levels.
Free Testosterone 7.2 > normal(8.7- 25.1)
Serum 447 > normal is 264 to 916, but a test three years ago I was at 589
They have put me on 200mg of Test Cyp once every 2 weeks.
Now how do I adjust my cycle and PCT?
I have studied and studied, but wasn't expecting this curveball.
If you have any advice I WILL listen. I am ready to learn and value what I have been reading over the years. It has helped my diet more than anything. Other than a moment of weakness Mountain Dew I am pretty strict.
Thanks again everyone. I look forward to your responses.
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Here are some easy ways to bring up your free test if you are worried about that number.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/natural-routes-to-lowe...
Thanks
OKAY EVERYONE! THANK YOU!. I am posting this in both posts so I won't be misunderstood.
I am not going to get anymore TRT shots from my doctor.
I intend to run a cycle 4 weeks from now.
I am sorry I confused everyone by accepting the shot from the doctor. I didn't know any better when they said my free test needed to be brought up.
If just stopping after one shot and then running my planned 12 week cycle is a danger please feel free to voice your opinion. If you don't have an opinion then remember I was doing the bloodwork in the first place in order to run a cycle.
I will think on it and study another four weeks and schedule a better doctor. If anyone thinks its a problem I am sorry, but I love the help and advice.
RustyhookerSounds good. Section with lots of info for ya. Have a great day
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
Thanks! I have been reading a lot. I realized my body and mind are ready, but I need to learn more about the effect on my estrogen. There are so many conflicting things about the anti's during the cycle because everyone's body reacts so differently. I don't want my cycle to harm me or be a wasted cycle.
RustyhookerBlood test as explained in the link i posted. I helped build that group as well as others.
Thanks for sharing that link. I was a little worried about running A.I's and some links there and the bible answered that.
I already have my pre blood work as a baseline and I am assuming I am going to run this cycle that was posted in the link you sent me https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles/beginner-cycle-1-or-2-test-e-... .
Bloodwork on week four to make sure I am not over or under treating my estrogen. Or when I have any sides.
Then PCT as planned and followed by bloodwork after PCT or if I see something extreme happening during PCT.
I am still going to take four weeks to study more. I had studied a lot over the last few years, but I have learned a few things in the last 24 hours. I was concerned about whether or not to frontload, but never even thought of tapering the end of the cycle or when to do what blood work mid cycle.
We may have started off butting heads and my plans may change as I learn more, but thanks and I hope the next four weeks show me what I'm still needing to learn. I did put my gear back in my safe so I didn't have to look at it. As a newbie its hard to resist, but i will.
Post up p a pic! If you've been diligent with diet and exercise for the last couple years, shouldn't you know your BF%?
I will do one when I get home from work. I'm not much on editing and everything I have here has my face on it. Had trouble all together with my phone on here , but do well on my laptop
Only a quack in a box who is looking to steal your money would put you on TRT with those numbers. Nothing like taking a gun and shooting yourself in the foot with it. Get a second opinion from a real doc who knows what they are talking about. On the other hand you could probably make some good money with a malpractice lawsuit.
True...all OP has to do is prove 4 things to win:
Duty, Breach of Duty, Damages/Injuries and Causation. So, it looks like OP just needs Damages/Injuries, which will soon be happening...lol
Wow! I really thought they were doing the right thing since the low number was below Normal range. I am not here to stir a pot of crap. They injected me today and each prescription comes with 2 vials and I am supposed to take my other vial in two weeks to my General Practitioner for the injection. That's literally all that was said.
Like I said, you better get a second opinion from a real doc who actually knows what they are talking about before you do some serious damage to your HPTA.
If you plan on proceeding with a trt regimine (and there are debatably plenty of reasons why you shouldn’t but the choice is yours) then ditch all plans of starting an actual cycle for now
As I said I have been learning a long time and will listen. . Why should I not start an actual cycle?
Late reply but I think makwa has you above.
However, surely you can see that if you were starting hormone therapy (which realistically means you would be doing this for the rest of your life, with some exceptions) then you would need to get your dosing dialled in correctly with you doctor, which could take months, before you go messing around with other drugs and dosing.
RustyhookerSerum 447 > normal is 264 to 916, but a test three years ago I was at 589
Free Testosterone 7.2 > normal(8.7- 25.1)
The Dr did NOT put you on 200cyp. Youre self medicating with a great number. Im suprised noone can read a test on here yet give a trt go ahead....
Sir, 447 is a good number. Unless you have a result thats different. Free test is a bit low but both numbers change by foods, stresses and medications. Theres diet changes that can effect free test.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/natural-routes-to-lowe...
lmao his serum came back NORMAL. Any doctor that prescribes someone test while they have clinical range risks losing his license. He tried to make it look bad by giving a low free test score and people fell for it.
Everyone below that cosigned, please read blood tests.
Copy and paste from a how do I know if I have low t website
Normal Testosterone Range for Adult Men: 250 – 1070 ng/dL
Depending on the lab you visit the normal range for total testosterone will start anywhere from 250 – 300 ng/dL on the low end and go up to 1025 – 1075 ng/dL on the high end. Why such a wide range? Average testosterone levels vary by age. For the typical guy, testosterone peaks in the early 20’s and declines by about 1% a year starting sometime in the mid thirties. For young men, average T levels are somewhere between 600-700 ng/dL. This number drops about 50% by the time he reaches 80. Some experts have coined the phrase “andropause” to describe this natural drop in T as comparable to hormonal changes experienced by women during menopause.
How low is low?
In general, the body needs relatively small amounts of testosterone to do the essentials (make sperm, grow facial hair, etc). Men with values as low as 150 ng/dL may not experience any symptoms of low T or impacts in their fertility others may be more sensitive to drops in testosterone, especially if they’ve had significantly higher T values earlier in life. Depending on who you talk to, values from 200 – 400 ng/dL are generally considered borderline. Some men in this range experience symptoms, others don’t.
https://www.dontcookyourballs.com/normal-testosterone-levels-men/
Underneath that article is a bunch of links to the medical studies and bloodworks.
Here is another page that CLEARLY says You would not be considered to have low T unless you had a number below 300.
https://www.everydayhealth.com/low-testosterone/low-testosterone-how-low...
https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/testosterone-test#2
They did give it to me. I can show you a prescription with numbers and name covered if need be. I came here for advice. She said that the Serum wasn't bad, but the other needed help. I am not trying to fool anyone. If you need proof I will show you. I just don't want to post anything that's against the rules.
I am hear for advice and will listen, but please don't call me a liar.
I'd you do any research at all before you started trt ? Was this a trt clinic or an actual endocrinologist?
If it was a clinic run away as fast as you can they care only for pure profit not your health. Your numbers are normal so you dont need it.
Also it wasn't an endo as I thought. I just looked and She is an Internal Medicine doctor. I just asked for an appointment with her and everyone said she was good. Without giving up regions there aren't a great amount of specialist without traveling much further. I see your score and want your advice. I'm sorry I am not smart enough to upload a picture to validate.
my "score" means nothing. You should not put yourself on something you don't need. You are goint to make yourself a trt patient when you dont need to. Do you take nyquil or cough medicine every day even though you don't have a cough?
Well they did give it to me and I am supposed to go back every two weeks for a shot, but they gave me the prescription. I took a sharpie to everything but the medicine and today's day so the experts on the site wouldn't think I am a liar s, so I get sound advice. I had a plan and now it has been derailed. I haven't even read anything on cyp due to irritations and just about every post I have read over the years show test E 500 for the first cycle. Thanks.
RustyhookerSo regardless of a great blood test youre choosing to wreck it. Thats your right. I dont think youre being honest. And thats your right as well.
The only honest thing you posted was you are going to cycle regardless. The rest was a waste of typing
You also state you joined a few years ago but
Since: Jan 9th, 2019.....Last: Jan 11th, 2019
So youre a retread. And again dishonest
I turned location off and posted picture after reading something you posted on pictures 10 months ago. Have a look under my self pictures. Maybe you won't call me a liar and will help me. I don't want to come off as a dck
RustyhookerThe script isnt what anyones calling bullshit on. Youre here only to argue so kick rocks.
You killing your GOOD TEST NUMBERS is stupid. Flat out redundant. As was posted by me and two others.
Problem is that you got cosigned below so youre going with bad info. Enjoy that! Youre a big boy. Pull up the pants and run your life.
How can upload a picture. I will show you the prescription with today's date. Name, dr, script number blacked out. Rusty I was about to start. I may not now, but I was simply asking what to change since they added this, but with you being an expert level with 3120 under it then I don't want to start off being known as a liar. My health is important to me or I wouldn't be here.
Also I believe I joined and never posted anything, at all. Was just on here reading.
Up above you stated you started already, now you are saying you haven't? Come on man make up your mind.
WE ARE NOT QUESTIONING YOUR SCRIPT!! We are questioning your lack of research and lack of understanding that YOU DO NOT NEED IT!!
But Im done arguing fuck it, its your life.
The doctor gave me a shot today. I haven't ran a cycle in YEARS and was a dumb kid. I have bought gear, but haven't started it. The doctor prescribed the shot today, gave me the shot, and then I came here. I have been preparing to use gear for close to two years. Everyone told me I was too fat and I just started working out. i prepared to take it, got bloodwork like 110,000 posts say and then today BAM someone gave me a shot and said I needed it. Then I worried what to do about a cycle. If I don't need it I won't screw up my Pituitary gland over an idiot doctor, but I do want to run a 12 week cycle. I'm looking for strength and health, not a doctor does one thing and I do another.
I certainly don't want to argue with you. I am just trying to explain I went from getting blood work for a cycle preperation to a doctor giving me a shot today. I wasn't aware the doctor shouldn't have given it to me.
Thank you for your time.
Its not just the doctor bro, its about you using your mind.
Your levels are going to be interpreted differently doctor to doctor, there is no set way to read hpta blood levels, its up to the doctor to interpret your numbers the best way he see's concerning you. That's why doctors have a decade of training before receiving the license to practice medicine.
And if your being truthful about all this , then your doctor is doing what he see's fit to line his pockets not take care of you properly.
Doctors are human , not god . There greedy and make decisions not always in your best interest, which is why you should seek a second opinion on this, trt is no joke.
First of all thank you for the responses. I had a plan and the blood work threw me a curve ball. I guess that shows all the new guys and not so new to listen to you guys about blood work. I almost ordered 2 years ago. I'm glad I didn't.
I am pasting my introduction here. If you would like just a few more details.
Intro
Hello everyone. I almost joined this group a few years ago. I waited, and researched and have been keeping up with Cardio VS Strength.
I have many questions I will ask later in another post about my cycle. I may be told to read , read, read, but I have read a LOT over the last few years. I am far from a body builder. Ten years ago MMA 245 class was what got me into Gear. I wasn't blessed with off cycles, knowledge of others, and safety. Thanks to many of you instead of placing that order two years ago I began spending an hour a day 4 days a week at the gym and have been on pretty much an atkins diet. Not enough carbs, but i'm learning.
Thank you all for posting to others to stay away from gear. I am ready for the increase in commitment, but BARELY ready for the need of the gear.
I just got my blood drawn today. EVERYTHING! I even have to piss in a bottle for 24 hours and take it back. I think that is a cortisol thing. Not sure, but I will ask. I get my results in two days.
I am 6 1'
37 years young
214 lbs
and strong, but will never be a body builder to the extent many of you are.
I will love any guidance and will not take it with a grain of salt. I WILL LISTEN.
I wish i had another year to listen, but I am mentally and physically ready for this. I want my muscles to rebound faster and as long as I have been getting in shape on a non gear level I still tend to build up lactic acid too early and I don't know why.
I don't know my bf% I didn't mention it to the endo. Honestly, I was nervous about being honest. I can tell you I have a strange frame. When I was 24 years old I was 188lbs and a 31 waist. People never guess my weight right and I have amazing muscle memory, just have always fought lactic acid burn even when in good shape, maybe even great.
I know blood work is important. It was done at 8:30 this morning.
I know I will be a test e guy all the way for at least five cycles, then maybe add DBOL. I ordered plenty of Nova and Clomid and from whatever they put in me a decade ago I know I was sensitive to gynecomastia, but for all I know I was taking tren x 4 of what I was needed. I was a kid being led by idiots.
I read posts over the years of some people taking .25 of something the whole cycle and some only Post cycle, I don't remember the specifics. I understand and know side effects, I worry about what to take to treat them and have been hitting the search bar a lot. I still have so many unanswered questions, but for another day. I have 4 weeks to get my diet perfect and my workout regiment perfect. I am so blessed and happy to have read the advice over the last few years. If I am in error or make mistakes in any post please correct me. I am here for the advice and tomake as few of mistakes as possible. It is my body and the last one I will ever have. So I will listen.
Thank you all so much. I look forward to a journey of 9 percent or less body fat and an upper body that my wife is deserving of. I married up. Its time for her to get some payback. Haha
These are personal decisions only you can make. You have the option to run a cycle and then get back to TRT levels before your next blood work. You can do that using one of the online labs to monitor stuff before you go back to your doc.
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I'm not entirely sure what you are asking here? Actually I have no idea what your asking.
Are you asking what to do now that they started you on trt? If so the trt dose is to be looked at as your bodies normal testosterone, Don't consider it an addition to your cycle. I hope that makes since
^ that is my opinion at least.
If it was me I would take my prescribed amount and run the rest with prop. That way your levels will clear much quicker. I would still stop 4 or 5 weeks before my scheduled blood work.
You dont want to loose your script. But honestly if you've never ran anything you might be surprised what 200 mgs will do with proper diet. I'd probably just run my trt for a year and see what I get out of it.
If you base your whole body on drugs you'll never maintain it.
RustyhookerWhy cosign good numbers and then again cosign because he posted pix?
https://www.eroids.com/pics/picture-for-conversation
Cosign? The guys 37 if he wants to run a cycle what's the problem? Your running a tren cycle and dont meet your own criteria. Why is it ok for you to but not others? Prove me wrong Rusty. Post a picture with a date card. You called me out last week now it's your turn.
Btw you would accomplish more if you didnt talk to folks like there trash.
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RustyhookerUp top hes talking about starting trt with good numbers. Most folks would throw that warning out there.
I'd probably just run my trt for a year and see what I get out of it.
Still unsure what pix youre talking about since you posted none. And not understanding what thats got to do with this forum?
Take another look at his numbers, his serum is normal for his age and in the middle as well. He is self prescribing. Low free T maybe due to his diet, stress, physical activity, e.t.c.