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PCT Depression and YOU?

What is PCT Depression? It is acute depression onset by the fluctuations of your bodies hormones during post cycle therapy. The testosterone levels begin to drop significantly after the first month after your last testosterone injection leaving your body with a very high estrogen levels that can effect your mood and emotions, not just the physical aspect. I have seen men literally have breakdowns and uncontrollable crying episodes, loss of libido, enjoyment of life and things, and etc. You get my drift….OK so what do we do? And how do we change it?

I personally think that it can be treated to lessen the severity of impact. The most important factor off the bat is using a strong PCT regimen with Nolvadex and Clomid and now to be considered Aromasin. Clomid has been known to contribute to this but I think with the sudden drop in your T level is the main factor involved.

First lets set a standard PCT:
Starting two weeks after last test injection
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5-25mg every other day (You would have to gauge the dose according to the length and the gear used in the cycle IMO)

Now what? Lets consider HCG 300-500ius a day or every other day for 10 days that could help to boost those levels up and help kick start your test production, aiding in reducing symptoms.

Also there are a few homeopathic remedies:
1) Valerian Root which is acclaimed to have valium like affect on the body

2) Phenibut -B-phenyl-y-aminobutyric acid- it is generally accepted that it causes and anxiolytic effect in animals and humans. Discovered by Soviets and has been used to treat ailments like PTSD, anxiety and insomnia

3) SAM-e is another for mood but I spoke with a MD concerning this and he said it could be more troublesome than good

PLEASE NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE ON ANY PSYCHOTROPIC MEDICATIONS YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE USING ANY OF THESE HERBAL OR OTC REMEDIES DUE TO THE POSSIBLE DRUG TO DRUG INTERACTION SIDE EFFECTS

These are just a few recommended things that you could do to help lessen the bite of PCT. Now, with the information I have given you. I would like to open the floor and begin to hear your opinions and input because we are in this together….Thanks for listening

soopermaniam's picture

I know it may sound lame, but on the pct, Is the dosing on the clomid and nolvidex weekly? or daily?

bimmerm3's picture

I may be digging this thread up but I was going to make a quick post and saw there already was a thread about this. I just got done with a moderate cycle and was a week and half after my last injection and all the sudden it hit me hard. Pretty much everything you just mentioned, I was sitting in my car and just started thinking about all the fucked up shit I've done in my life and almost had a crying fit. It couldn't come at a worse time too as I'm in the process of breaking up with my fiance and out of work. I started researching PCD a bit and was actually shocked to see all the studies, mostly that of clinical steroids given to patients. Well for better or for worse I decided to stay at a 200mg dose or test e for a month or so just to keep me stable while shit blows over. Good post though thanks.

DiabloStrong's picture

i'm coming up on the end of my first cycle, and i just want to thank you Cdaddy for putting this together. i've got my PCT all lined up but i hadn't thought about continuing the use of aromasin into pct. it seems that with a sudden reduction in testosterone levels, it would be very unfortunate to have a spike in estrogen levels. talk about getting moody quick! to be completely honest, i'm not looking forward to being off cycle, but i know that unless i want to continue to be able to produce testosterone naturally, there is no other option.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

OK GUYS ..LISTEN UP!..THIS IS POTENTIALLY A GOOD THREAD IF YOU DONT QUIT THE CRAP ITS GOODNIGHT TO THE LOT OF YOU! PLEASE TAKE ME SERIOUS I AM IN NO MOOD TO TAKE ANY SHIT .

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Its ok bro just wanna keep good threads on topic thats all.. no damage done.

kodiakGRRL's picture

You should probably put a note in there that if they are aleady on psychotropic medications that they should absolutely NOT self medicate with any herbals or vitamin shop otcs due to drug interactions. Otherwise this a great article regarding Post Cycle Depression..

fast48's picture

Damn Nice read! Also i get PMS about pct libido.....Horny Goat Weed helps that area.

fast48's picture

¤singing¤ "every party needs a pooper, that'd why wr invited yoy!! Party pooper! Party pooper!"

Nothing in life is as good as being puny and bitter. It gives you that mental edge to ruthlessly attack those who are superior in every facet and believe that you have won.

Engineereddisaster's picture

I hammer curl three plates for a warm up set. YES WITH A STANDARD 45LB BAR!

Engineereddisaster's picture

Ok, maybe two plates and 35's... Its the internet, I can't help but exaggerate. Smile

Engineereddisaster's picture

Same as one would hammer curl a dumbell. I'm just my young student.

kodiakGRRL's picture

STOP IT!! YOU ARE CLOGGING UP THIS THREAD WITH CRAP!!!

Engineereddisaster's picture

Sorry.

IronMind's picture

LMAO! Great way of saying it...I agree as we discussed before it's all BS!

witchdoctor6's picture

My last cycle I used 1500iu's of HCG a week for 2 weeks after my last test injection. I then waited 3 days and started my normal nolva/clomid pct. I had no depression sides or rapid weight loss etc
..I felt pretty good actually. Just continue to take an AI while taking HCG...

snuka2012's picture

Thx...pretty timely for me as PCT is coming up and gotta admit I'm not looking forward to it. I'd be interested hear opinions on Aromisan during pct.

snuka2012's picture

On cycle, I think it's clear how to gauge aromasin usage based on side effects and if the side effects subside and increase dosage and frequency as needed based on how your body reacts and bloodwork (if done) dictates . I'm not clear how to gauge the usage of aromasin during PCT...I've been on a standard 12 week test-e cycle, but exhibited no obvious physical side effects during the cycle. I had both adex and aromasin on hand, of course.

Engineereddisaster's picture

Thanks for posting. When I was younger, with limited resources, I just didn't know anything about PCT. I remember vividly a few weeks after coming off of a specific Sustanon Deca Cycle, just going into a horrible depression. Being a naturally happy guy, I just couldn't figure out why I felt so shitty. Even though I had quite a few good things going for me at the time, I felt incredibly hopeless. I didn't feel like lifting or doing anything. It took me a month to start feeling good again. Probably one of the shittiest months of my life without really having a reason to be depressed.

jp82088's picture

Just hearing that exactly has me nervous doing a cycle.I never want to go through some deep depression or anything.

hbones's picture

Doing a lot of research into my PCT and it's making my head spin. On my first cycle 4weeks of Test E and 2 weeks of Test P. Into my 4th week now. Recommendation for PCT was:Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 6.25mg EOD for the 1st 14days of PCT and stop
Is this good for the cycle I am on?
I thought that Clomid and Nova had basically the same action and that Clomid had more potential side effects. Why take them at the same time?
Really could use some help!