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PCT Depression and YOU?
What is PCT Depression? It is acute depression onset by the fluctuations of your bodies hormones during post cycle therapy. The testosterone levels begin to drop significantly after the first month after your last testosterone injection leaving your body with a very high estrogen levels that can effect your mood and emotions, not just the physical aspect. I have seen men literally have breakdowns and uncontrollable crying episodes, loss of libido, enjoyment of life and things, and etc. You get my drift….OK so what do we do? And how do we change it?
I personally think that it can be treated to lessen the severity of impact. The most important factor off the bat is using a strong PCT regimen with Nolvadex and Clomid and now to be considered Aromasin. Clomid has been known to contribute to this but I think with the sudden drop in your T level is the main factor involved.
First lets set a standard PCT:
Starting two weeks after last test injection
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 12.5-25mg every other day (You would have to gauge the dose according to the length and the gear used in the cycle IMO)
Now what? Lets consider HCG 300-500ius a day or every other day for 10 days that could help to boost those levels up and help kick start your test production, aiding in reducing symptoms.
Also there are a few homeopathic remedies:
1) Valerian Root which is acclaimed to have valium like affect on the body
2) Phenibut -B-phenyl-y-aminobutyric acid- it is generally accepted that it causes and anxiolytic effect in animals and humans. Discovered by Soviets and has been used to treat ailments like PTSD, anxiety and insomnia
3) SAM-e is another for mood but I spoke with a MD concerning this and he said it could be more troublesome than good
PLEASE NOTE THAT IF YOU ARE ON ANY PSYCHOTROPIC MEDICATIONS YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD CONSULT YOUR PHYSICIAN BEFORE USING ANY OF THESE HERBAL OR OTC REMEDIES DUE TO THE POSSIBLE DRUG TO DRUG INTERACTION SIDE EFFECTS
These are just a few recommended things that you could do to help lessen the bite of PCT. Now, with the information I have given you. I would like to open the floor and begin to hear your opinions and input because we are in this together….Thanks for listening
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I know it may sound lame, but on the pct, Is the dosing on the clomid and nolvidex weekly? or daily?
I may be digging this thread up but I was going to make a quick post and saw there already was a thread about this. I just got done with a moderate cycle and was a week and half after my last injection and all the sudden it hit me hard. Pretty much everything you just mentioned, I was sitting in my car and just started thinking about all the fucked up shit I've done in my life and almost had a crying fit. It couldn't come at a worse time too as I'm in the process of breaking up with my fiance and out of work. I started researching PCD a bit and was actually shocked to see all the studies, mostly that of clinical steroids given to patients. Well for better or for worse I decided to stay at a 200mg dose or test e for a month or so just to keep me stable while shit blows over. Good post though thanks.
i'm coming up on the end of my first cycle, and i just want to thank you Cdaddy for putting this together. i've got my PCT all lined up but i hadn't thought about continuing the use of aromasin into pct. it seems that with a sudden reduction in testosterone levels, it would be very unfortunate to have a spike in estrogen levels. talk about getting moody quick! to be completely honest, i'm not looking forward to being off cycle, but i know that unless i want to continue to be able to produce testosterone naturally, there is no other option.
OK GUYS ..LISTEN UP!..THIS IS POTENTIALLY A GOOD THREAD IF YOU DONT QUIT THE CRAP ITS GOODNIGHT TO THE LOT OF YOU! PLEASE TAKE ME SERIOUS I AM IN NO MOOD TO TAKE ANY SHIT .
zewimy bad..:)
Supernova283I apologize. You can delete my replies after fast posted if you want.
Its ok bro just wanna keep good threads on topic thats all.. no damage done.
You should probably put a note in there that if they are aleady on psychotropic medications that they should absolutely NOT self medicate with any herbals or vitamin shop otcs due to drug interactions. Otherwise this a great article regarding Post Cycle Depression..
cdaddy7Thanx Grrrl, you are correct and i will fix that....thanks for getting my back on that
Damn Nice read! Also i get PMS about pct libido.....Horny Goat Weed helps that area.
cdaddy7Hey champagne supernova if don't have anything to contribute to the forum topic besides ur dipshit comments. Get the fuck out. U contribute nothing but confusion and dispute things that show your stupidity. Go play with some flame tests and find more bunk gear
Supernova283I did add something. I explained my opinion on homeopathy which is stated as helping in the OP which is complete crap.
I'm helping people save their money instead of buying crap.
What exactly is your comment doing? Because I'm pretty sure your comment wasn't really contributing anything.
¤singing¤ "every party needs a pooper, that'd why wr invited yoy!! Party pooper! Party pooper!"
Nothing in life is as good as being puny and bitter. It gives you that mental edge to ruthlessly attack those who are superior in every facet and believe that you have won.
Supernova283Puny? Lol how much do you deadlift? I'm coming up on 3 plates.
zewii bench 3 plates for a middle set.
Supernova283You're also on steroids and weigh 238lbs.
I weigh 100lbs less and don't have the gift of AAS.
I hammer curl three plates for a warm up set. YES WITH A STANDARD 45LB BAR!
zewihell yeah..
Ok, maybe two plates and 35's... Its the internet, I can't help but exaggerate.
Supernova283How exactly does one hammer curl with a bar?
Same as one would hammer curl a dumbell. I'm just my young student.
STOP IT!! YOU ARE CLOGGING UP THIS THREAD WITH CRAP!!!
Sorry.
cdaddy7LOL
Supernova283Homeopathy is shit. Anyone who tells you anything different is off their rockers or trying to sell you something.
The idea that you can dilute something a million million times and then use that to help you is bullcrap. The thought is that water retains a memory of what it's been in which it total bullshit.
Your tap water has been through a crapload of people I hope to god I'm not getting the drugs that have been in their system.
Homeopathy is bullshit.
As for lessening PCT depression there are probably some things that will help. Homeopathy is not one of them.
W1NG3DActually i think you'll find the 'theory' behind it is utter bullshit much the same way as lifting heavy weights will make youre muscles larger! It actually makes em smaller and weaker til u eat and rest riiight?!
Homeopathy has led to some fkn INCREDIBLE!! Findings and i for one beleive a great deal of it is bullshit but thats just the eay the cookie crumbles eh ;) eroids for example... Lists soooo many scamming and bunk sites noobs are almost always skeptical of it! U cant declare a genius without first comparing them to a thousand fkn idiots ;)
The true gift of homeopathy is homeostasis ;) the bodys overall 'ph'
Ph as in ions per hydrogen.. Did u know ALL cancer develops within the ph range of about 5.4-5.8 and ALL cancer is kept from spreading in a ph of around 7.4-7.7 and ALL cancer WILL die when exposed to PH's of 8.4+ that my friend is FACT! Radiation treatments 'sometimes' worked and sometimes didnt! Oncologists new this and until recently had no idea that a huge part of why it worked was due to the fact that certain chemicals 'absorbed' ions and some 'exerted' them! 'an ion being a charged particle'
Through decades of trial and error and BLIND and ignorant treatments medicines have become more effecient at 'killing' cancer and the most advanced are based on some of the most ancient philosphies!
Whilst 'hydrogen' may not 'remember' another chemical elements properties, 'water' may ;) imagine... U have a glass of acid.. Remove all of its ions u now have a glass of alkaline ;) keep in mind ph is only a 'measurement' of ions in hydrogen and ALL elements including compounds ie 'water' are either positivly charged or negativly charged!
Anyways imagine u have a glass of water.. And u add a highly charged element such as mercury to it.... The water takes on some of the mercurys charge even tho it hasnt 'disolved' i to the water to make a new compound... Remove the mercury and your water WILL keep some of thr mercurys charge at the frequency of which the mercury omited it!
It is not the mercury itself which heals (as we all know its a fkn killer and possibly the most toxic element known to man)
BUT it is the radiation or more to the point.. The frequency of which it emits its radiation upon certain cells to either activate, kill, regenerate or more to the point 'heal' now disolving mercury to its most basic properties within water.. Will causetr water to keep its radioactive properties (within reason) without being as toxic as the raw element itself!!
To understand this more imagine ur salt deficient!! You could say 'salt' is healthy right? (and it is)
Does this mean adding salt to hrdiet will make u healthy...yes! But sooner or later you add to much and all of a sudden your salt range is too bloody high!! Well homeopathy was based wrongly on this 'fault' alone! And from it came homeostasis!!!
Its a balance! A healthy mind body and soul is completly dependant on a BALANCE! No one element or supplement or training exercise will work alone and trust me cobber ;) homeopathy is beneficial when in the care of professionals! But sadly its a theuropuetical discipline still in its diapers!
I beleive ALL bodybuilders should read up on the crucialness of a ph'd perfect diet and treat it as importantly as they do their gear but until its written in lamens terms and widely accepted as truth it will be labelled as nonsense crazy talk by persons such as yourself mate ;)
Google nutrient lockout, theres been immense studies around the nutrient cycles of plants espescially marijuana which applies to ALL life!
Some elements 'nutrients' cant absorb into cells without the presence of others and some cant within the presence of others.. All cells rely on a fluctuating ph range as to cycle between the availablity of nutrients and to detox from certain nutrients....
Food for thought eh ;)
zewiI dilute my shit everyday when i take shit. It turns it to water shit, you get a taste like shit, but the water will still hydrate you. Just saying.
cdaddy7I just pissed myself!! Hey champagne supernova do you think that it will bind to any of my receptors or is piss not classified is urine? I need your help
Supernova283Here let me throw a Ibuprofen capsule into my pool. Now I'll wait a day for it to reach equilibrium and bam anytime I have a headache I can just drink some of my pool water.
LMAO! Great way of saying it...I agree as we discussed before it's all BS!
My last cycle I used 1500iu's of HCG a week for 2 weeks after my last test injection. I then waited 3 days and started my normal nolva/clomid pct. I had no depression sides or rapid weight loss etc
..I felt pretty good actually. Just continue to take an AI while taking HCG...
Thx...pretty timely for me as PCT is coming up and gotta admit I'm not looking forward to it. I'd be interested hear opinions on Aromisan during pct.
cdaddy7Studies out there are pointing positive for aromasin in PCT. I can assure u I will b using it in my next cycle
On cycle, I think it's clear how to gauge aromasin usage based on side effects and if the side effects subside and increase dosage and frequency as needed based on how your body reacts and bloodwork (if done) dictates . I'm not clear how to gauge the usage of aromasin during PCT...I've been on a standard 12 week test-e cycle, but exhibited no obvious physical side effects during the cycle. I had both adex and aromasin on hand, of course.
cdaddy7I would just carry on thru with the same dose that you cycled on and tweak it according to symptoms. Blanket with the aromasin for those two weeks right on into your PCT. Does that make sense?
Thanks for posting. When I was younger, with limited resources, I just didn't know anything about PCT. I remember vividly a few weeks after coming off of a specific Sustanon Deca Cycle, just going into a horrible depression. Being a naturally happy guy, I just couldn't figure out why I felt so shitty. Even though I had quite a few good things going for me at the time, I felt incredibly hopeless. I didn't feel like lifting or doing anything. It took me a month to start feeling good again. Probably one of the shittiest months of my life without really having a reason to be depressed.
Just hearing that exactly has me nervous doing a cycle.I never want to go through some deep depression or anything.
cdaddy7Based on a lot I have seen in this forum the PCT seems to be on the back burner here. IMHO it is one of the most important aspects of your cycle. Ur very success r failure literally hangs in the balance of your PCT. I only wish I would have known what I do now on proper PCT and I would have had more quality cycles. My goal is to provide you guys with my experience and medical background to help u guys have more successful cycles and not make the same mistakes I did. I will bring more to the forum to help educate others. Glad I could help
Doing a lot of research into my PCT and it's making my head spin. On my first cycle 4weeks of Test E and 2 weeks of Test P. Into my 4th week now. Recommendation for PCT was:Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Aromasin 6.25mg EOD for the 1st 14days of PCT and stop
Is this good for the cycle I am on?
I thought that Clomid and Nova had basically the same action and that Clomid had more potential side effects. Why take them at the same time?
Really could use some help!