-2 My 1st Ever Cycle and Self-Injection
I have Test E 250 20x, Test P 100 20x and Test C 250 20x
+ Oxymetholone 50mg and Stanozolol 10mg
Blood work was performed twice and doc will start TRT come January. (have my PCT And Nova ready too)
You guys did not like my oral only cycle but my reasoning was to ease my body into this world. So after my blood work and doc appts (super important) I started taking Oxymetholone 50mg (once daily) and Stanozolol 10mg (10 minutes pre-workout).
Side Effects from Oxymetholone and Stanozolol - joints feel "older" and more "fragile" but that's it though. Keeping doses low.
I read a great post from TRTblastcruise about running a 1st cycle, so of all three types of Test now in my possession, starting with Test E 250 2x weekly
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Monday morning - Thursday night)
Injecting myself was quite tricky. I am paranoid of air bubbles and need to get that part of the process down. I have individual ampules and used two needles : 18g for drawing and 26g for injecting. The drawing part was also tricky, as well as the swapping needles and "clearing the barrel" part. I probably wasted 50mg just trying to get these things squared away.
YouTube videos were helpful but it was a nurse who had the best advice on individual ampule drawing.
The injection process was absolutely painless, as I followed meticulously the advice of people here. It was all in my head.
Don"t know what a "pump" feels like yet, so we gonna post in a week with observations.
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I go there because it's 5 minutes from home and even less from work. Even at 5 am there are some damn fine looking women. And some who aren't that all leave absolutely nothing to the imagination. I have seen several pussy cracks I didn't really need to see. Who the hell goes to the gym without wearing underwear?
Lol damn loving those last two comments. You're right though. Guess that crack gotta breathe
I'm feeling bad about all the karma he's lost here, and after all it is Xmas lol I did like the Pink Panther as a kid too Lmao So I'm gonna give him a load of karma back even though he did dock me 2 initially
We don’t hand out participation trophies.
anvilAww your a sweetheart press. He just wants attention, and validation for his efforts. My heart is more Grinch size before he sees the error of his ways.
anvilWhy do you think anyone cares, we advise because we know better? You just another moron that needs validation. A pump feels like? You have never trained before? A week ? If you feel something in a week you'd be the first human to respond that quickly to a long ester that fast. You truly are a stupid person.
It's a n00b forum where n00bs like me ask ignorant questions, and hopefully get advice from vets. I am not "stupid", just ignorant.
Learn the definition between those two words before using either.
Plus, you do not have to read and you do not respond because you stated you do not care, so stop chasing clout.
BUT if you can set aside from your insults, assumptions, and clout chasing, I ask : does it generally take longer to feel the effects of ANY test for a beginner? I've had friends prior who juiced in locker rooms and they could feel it soon after they injected. It was kind of amazing to see in real time. So even though my question is anecdotal, it weighted in validity.
Yet please, I remind you "anvil" to to resist any reply if you can't keep the response free from condescension and name calling.
Just facts not feelings, anvil. I ain't got the time to deal with the negativity.
The victim mentality....ahhhh
anvilHere is emotionless answer, unless you are using Test no ester , or possibly suspension you will not feel the effects after an injection. Even test prop doesn't give a feeling of pump after injection. The longer esters take up to 6 weeks to reach full blood serum levels.
Thank you for showing me the correct way to answer you.
I will now retire from clout chasing, and only answer the way you have instructed
Sweet, thanks anviL, that's the kind of answer I was looking for.
Clout Chasing? TikTok knowledge
U better believe it. ...Clout chasing is 100% real man. Hey nobody gonna gonna give ya nothing...they gotta earn it! No sir!
These Bloody Clout chasers!!!!
I wanted to see how my body responded to orals, then injectables. I continue to research stanozolol vs oxandrolone, and so far I can dose 10mg of stanozolol with a daily 50mg of oxymetholone. Now i have Test E I am going to see how all this goes. My source did not have oxandrolone at the beginning, and now I have Test, gonna see how this goes.
I’m not going to neg you, but I will tell you something, friendly advice. You said “I’m going to see how all this goes.”, like you’re doing experiments on yourself. Following a proven protocol like testosterone only for your first run, you will KNOW how it’s going to go. The unknowns will be in your blood panel, which with a simple cycle after first having baseline bloods drawn will let you know what to adjust. Guys aren’t going to sugarcoat bad ideas here, they’re trying to stop you from harming yourself. Do you have an anti-aromatase drug on hand? Liver protection? Did you have a blood panel done before beginning this to make sure you’re healthy enough to do this to begin with? Do you own a quality blood pressure monitor?
Lkl0623Most injectables are "easier" on your body than the orals, all of which are liver toxic to varying degrees. Testosterone is the unequivocal first choice for beginners and the standard by which all other AAS are compared/rated. It might seem counterintuitive or paradoxical that it can be safer to inject a drug versus oral administration. Most oral steroids are altered at the 17th carbon by the addition of an alkyl group; 17 alpha alkylation increases bioavailability but increases hepatotoxicity.
Facts no cap
+1 My man. I can dig that 100%!! Happy holidays my brother!
Lkl0623What is +1? Is that a saying or something or a typo? Never seen anyone say that?
+1 means that he liked your comment so he upvoted it.
I think he'll be just fine. Seems like he'll fit in well. Thanks scooby
Lkl0623Gotcha
And what about sublingual ingestion of orals?
There is some research to show it's easier on the liver at it slips the first pass through it. I use 10-25 mg anavar sublingually about an hour PWO a couple times a week generally. Even after doing so for months my liver values and cholesterol were all in the normal ranges. Probably not ideal to do forever. No experience with any other compounds.
You should really just stick to the test for now. So long as everything else is in line and consistent you can get massive on even 250-300mg test per week. Also stop being so anal about there being any air bubbles in your needles. That's an issue if you're doing something intervenously. Getting a bit of air in your muscle or fat later isn't a problem. Many of us, myself included, pull a little bit of air into the barrel to make sure all the oil actually gets into your body.
Thank you so much. Good advice
Just tried sublingual for the first time since my tongue split. It’s kinda annoying lmao a lot of powder was sitting in between my tongue.
LMAO....I just read this. I'm picturing that in my head
What a waste! I ended up having to just rinse and swallow lol. I can push my tongue outward but still can’t push them together. Guess I got some practicing to do lol
Haha
Sublingual does not miss first pass.
Huh? You killing me. It does because it isn't interacting with the liver after being absorbed but not as potent as IV route...every milligram of whatever substance won't be 100% absorbed sublingually though. In my opinion sublingual is a bit overrated.
@scoobydoo this post took a turn I see lol. Wishing Lacie the best
Lkl0623You're right @DeeMan. It bypasses the liver by being absorbed directly into the bloodstream. Maybe he's referring to if you swallowed some which in many cases is unavoidable, whatever amount happened to be swallowed would then go through the digestive tract and pass through the liver. But people have to realize that if something is absorbed directly into your bloodstream via a mucous membrane, blood vessels, etc. then there's no liver hepatic function involved whatsoever - it's just in your bloodstream.
You're right however like I said just remember absorbtion isn't 100% with sublingual and yeah like u mentioned some is swallowed and to be honest I've never been a big fan of it, but that's just me. It has it's benefits though.
Yeah. lacie has taken a bit of a beating. Lol. He'll be fine. Hopefully he's reading about supplements to take while running oral steroids.
Lkl0623If he isn't reverse psychology trolling everyone lol.. almost seems like that may be the case.
Yeah. It seems he's definitely intent on taking orals for a first cycle. He states he's added test though. So that's a start.
Back in 22, Mike Isratel LITERALLY called out the exactly what happened here with all the bro science included. I followed his advice and even met the dude recently, asked him if he still stands by his Aug 22 video and he said yes. So yeah, a short "experimental" 3-week "orals only" phase and now I am ready to jump in with injectables. I don't think of it as a proper cycle, not even a ramp up phase.
He got a lot of push back from others about those views. I could see doing that to intentionally crash my t levels if I was looking to get on trt. I tried sarms well before I ever stuck myself with a needle because it seemed like a safer option. Looking back taking research chems that never passed safety testing compared to something that has been used safely in humans for decades probably wasn't the best idea. But you live and learn. The results I've had on even just my actual trt is far more than I ever got with any of the sarms cycles I ran. And I actually get to keep all of it this way.
I love Dr Mike and watch him regularly. But while I can understand some of his arguments I think he's off base in general. Pretty sure you mentioned about getting on trt somewhere. You're already going to be sticking yourself with that. Other than your muscles getting sore while getting used to the increased amount of oil your injecting it's not going to be any worse for you. And that soreness will fade as you get accustomed to the amount of oil.
Yes, I will start TRT soon, so just on the Test E 2x weekly, seeing how the body adjusts
You really did that backwards. If you wanted to see how the body would handle it you should've started with the lower trt dose.
I'm not sure who Mike is. If he advocated for a short 3 week orals only cycle, he more than likely failed to mention how much testosterone he was running at the time. You will get gains with orals only,but they will disappear quickly and your system will be shutdown like LK stated. Not to mention the damage to your liver. I don't follow, watch or take advice from anybody that does videos on PED use.
Not familiar with that person but Yeah you can't get around the suppression/shutdown regardless how weak an oral is or how long you use it. If you're lucky there will be some suppression and not complete shutdown. No bro science but facts
Lkl0623https://youtu.be/1qyJd-Zc7Kw?si=yA4vEfCNDwmzYWtM
That's the link to the video @lacie is referring to. The comments are turned off so obviously there was plenty of backlash, and for good reason. That's just not sound advice. I'm not even going to entertain watching it, but that's the video.
I'm not going to watch it either, but thank you for taking the time to find it.
Lkl0623He's an exercise scientist/YouTuber that does bodybuilding and BJJ. He's open about his PED use. A lot of his advice is good advice but I don't know why he's on there promoting oral only cycles, that doesn't even make sense from a science standpoint and I'm not a scientist for damn sure.
He probably has a source he's willing to give that he gets kickbacks from. Much easier to get someone to take a pill than a needle.
If he does he doesn't promote them. He makes his money of YouTube and the trading and diet apps he has out. The guys smart and funny which is why I enjoy his content.
Lkl0623When you make controversial content and post it to your monetized channel it also generated a lot of views for obvious reasons. I don't think he'd do that with something as sensitive as AAS but who knows.
You're right. But I did say he makes his money partly off YouTube. Dudes got or a million subscribers. That's enough to make a good chunk of cash from without the added stuff he sells from his company.