How best to run NPP to keep bloat down. Lower test?
I’m interested in hearing peoples opinions on a NPP run.
I’m looking to gain a solid 5kg over a 12 week run.
I cruise on 100mg testosterone undecanoate ew.
I really dislike bloating on high levels of testosterone so I was wondering what peoples experiences are of running NPP higher than test?
Say like;
Test @ 250 ew or may be lower (trt levels)?
NPP @ 400 ew
Proviron 25-50mg ed or masteron e at 100/200mg ew to get some DHT in there as I’ve read how this helps with some of the negative side effects of nandrolone.
I’ve used all of these compounds before albeit a while ago. Aromasin is my oestrogen control of choice and I have caber on hand for any prolactin sides.
Im not planning to run anything for another month minimum.
I’ve done a bunch of cycles including a few eq and anavar runs. I do like eq’s ability to convert to an ai but the thick blood side effect worries me more now I’m older.
I do plan on giving blood before this cycle starts also.
I’ll get bloods done before I start.
Currently 91kg
6’1”
Approximately 13% bf.
I’ll be 44 when this starts.
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Just an update on this one. I ran NPP for a month but I’ve found it really affects my psychological state. I’ve really struggled with sleep and I’ve been getting night sweats.
In short, I’ve decided to drop the NPP and mast and run my stock of primo at 800ew with approximately 300mg test a week. I’ll adjust the test up or down based on oestrogen related sides but I figured 300 would be a good ballpark figure to start at.
I wasn’t expecting these side effects from NPP. It felt kind of like when I dabbled with tren once upon a time. Same side effects. I suppose these drugs just don’t jive with me. Or I need to reduce the dosage significantly to run them.
Shame really as I was making amazing gains. NPP’s more powerful than I gave it credit.
Now it’s cleared my system I instantly feel better mentally. Looking forward to running primo into summer instead.
Hgh has me sleeping great even on tren. Might get your igf1 tested just to see where youre at. Or save the hgh just for no sleep cycles and post cycle therapy
Its because you were running NPP higher than your Test level mate - If you run 400mg NPP and 250mg Test then all you are feeling mentally is NPP which can be weird and odd. If I were running it like that then no way would I run NPP, gotta run your Test at 500mg/wk for that dose. Same with Tren, gotta take your Test higher if you want to even slightly enjoy the benefits of the trenbolone.
I’m not giving up on NPP just yet. I’ll run it next autumn / winter with higher test and try it the other way for a bulk cycle. The stuff does give great results, I just need to be more mentally ‘set’ next time. Plus I really wanted to do a full blown primo cycle for the first time into summer anyway.
Thanks for your input bud
Body might not tolerate 19-Nors in general
Some parts of my life are a little stressful at the moment. Nothing crazy but this stuff sent my mind into overdrive. I couldn’t put down thoughts and clear my mind. Don’t know if I’m allowed to say this but it very much reminded me of a challenging psychedelic trip. Unresolved issues in my mind couldn’t be brushed aside. Powerful stuff. I can see its potential if I could get the dosage right.
Good choice. I ran npp for a couple of weeks to negate Winstrol side effects over the summer. I dropped it for that very reason. It definitely effected my state of mind. I’m off cycle now and currently pcting. I will cycle primo in the summer but will start in May.
If u Wana keep bloat down u run caber at the start , knocks all the progesterone water out
Run caber straight away? I wouldn’t think I’d have too much oestrogen floating about with low test cycle like this and I would be using aromasin at about 25mg-37.5mg per week. Given the relationship that oestrogen has with progesterone would I need to run caber straight away? If so what dose would you recommend?
I also drink dandelion tea a power diuretic that helps lower blodd.pressure and cleans the kidneys and liver
Masteron. Vitamin C can be worked with as well. Asparagus is good and dandylion too. Watching salt intake.
I’m on a boat load of vitamin C right now with a cold. Heard about that in one of vikings old posts. Haven’t heard of asparagus and dandelion though. That’s a new one to me. Thanks bro
@Jockstrap remembers Viking for sure lol! Thing about vitamin c is some say there's limited absorption orally.
Bumping up seems better as needed. A fast water flush raises aldosterone and then youre back at square one til homeostasis. Plus the headache is not fun
I'll use Vit C at 10-15g/d for a couple of days right before a show for a quick water dump, but you don't won't to be doing that for an entire cycle.
I am not sure what a normal daily dose of vit C would do for water retention.. I guess I never really paid much attention to that.
I take 1g Vit C per day for liver detox purposes and I've heard on a number of occasions not to exceed that dose as a daily amount due to the danger of getting kidney stones. There is a guy on here who took 2g per day and that dose gave him them
That is why 10g/d is only for the last 2 days of prep. That is alot of VIt C to process but it is much safer than messing around with loop diuretics and the results are foolproof where often times the script diuretics backfire for most people.
Yeah you know I use to take alot of vitamin C too. I do think that we only absorb so much orally though. Once plasma concentrations reach saturation,
additional vitamin c is excreted in the urine. I remember awhile back seeing a study where 100 percent absorption with a 200mg dose at a time. But higher doses of 500mg resulted in less vitamin c being absorbed as dose increases. Now intravenous is a whole different story.
Thanks bud, I didn’t know that
The script stuff. They can really screw up the already messed up electrolytes (w/o labs), then used too long on top of that. Last resort.
I know you were meaning just for a few days bud, it was more as a general warning for everyone about safe/tolerable everyday doses
Yeah 1g seems to be a good daily dose. Notice any difference in SuqQ water dosing that?
No mate - gotta remember too I am always looking to try add water into the muscle and joints for better lifting with things like NPP and Dbol so I am the wrong guy to be asking really lol
I do the Stan Efferding approach of adding salt to most things too Lmao
Mast has been a real game changer for me when running NPP. 250 test with 400 NPP and splash some mast e there at 300mg tops and you should stay really solid. If mast lowering E2 too much then bump up test. If you are really trying to put on some weight though I would probably run the test equal to the NPP. NPP isn't super anabolic by itself. Great for hardening up and cutting running test lower but I think if trying to put on that much mass you should bump the test up a bit.
Just wondering. Could I run the above cycle but run deca @450 ew 1-12 and npp 1-5 at 400? Effectively kick starting the deca with npp. Just so there’s less oil to pin in the latter half of the cycle.
I wouldn't mess around with Deca for 12 wks even with a NPP kickstart. Get some 200mg NPP which makes oil volume much more tolerable.
If the cycle was extended to 14 weeks, would that work of is it that deca would effect the desired results? Just out of interest.
Your whole intent was to keep water weight down. Deca will put more water on than NPP. If you are fine with that then just run deca for a 16wk run.
That’s what I thought. Was just checking. I’ll stick with npp. Thanks bud
Just the man! Really appreciate your input. I’ve already researched this cycle a bit on here and seen your comments on the use of Mast with NPP in other posts, that’s why it was included above.
I’ll boost the test up a little. Would you recommend a prop heavy ‘sus’ test over test e or c and jab say M/W/F? To get the esters to match up better with the NPP?
I pin NPP M/W/F so I like to use sust when pinning more than 2x/wk. These other so called "sust" versions floating around that are a blend of test P and test E/C would be a solid choice also. Some prop in there will get you up and running with the faster acting NPP also. Just stick with mast e though,
I have few bottles of that particular blend you speak of. Looking forward to this run now. Appreciate your advise bud. Not just on this post but I’ve learnt a ton from you over the years. Appreciate you giving up your time here.