+ 10 No Excuses Sust/Proviron and RS Qtropin Results
Alright. So admittedly I am at a loss here. This is actually the third time looking back through my labs, albeit different source, I have had significantly lower numbers than I have had in the past running Sust. At similar if not higher doses and for the same period of time prior to lab draws. Blood was drawn last Friday morning less than 48hrs prior to last injection.
As mentioned in SI the other week protocol has been 0.7ml (so maybe losing a little in the hub) of 87s Sust 300. MWF. Along with another source Primo 100. More so to help with the PIP than anything else. 6 weeks in. Plus Proviron 25mg daily. Dose was started at 0.5 MWF just the first week to assess tolerance and did try to go higher than 0.7 for a week or two (up to 1ml injections) but PIP was a little too impeding on training for me to continue so I backed down.
Going back through my labs I have noticed a decrease in my response to Sust over the years. Which is certainly odd to me. Labs from earlier this year Feb on Test Cyp 200mg once weekly put me a little less than 1100. At trough. 5 days post injection.
I do feel good. Certainly can’t say I feel like my recovery or strength is as if I’m taking the amount I’m injecting but that makes sense because obviously per my labs and recurrent history of labs with Sustanon at this point I think it’s safe to say my body is just not responding like it used to.
At this point I’m done with Sustanon. No discredit to the source at all. Considering this is the third lab draw with Sustanon from a different source and consistently lower than expected it’s fair to say it’s my body’s response. Not the gear. As at least 2/3 of the sources have been highly credible with lots of good lab work to back up their products. 87 being one of them.
I’m going to make the switch to Cyp as soon as I can, and redraw in another 6 weeks.
IGF-1 is consistent with my prior labs. Baseline is around 180. Qtropin 4iu once daily.
EDIT Labs added from Feb this year for reference TRT protocol as mentioned above with 3iu Qtropin Daily
EDIT 10/13 JANO RESULTS ADDED
Clearly, 87’s Sustanon is not to blame here. As I originally expected, and mentioned above, it is the way my body is metabolizing it. I’m dumbfounded by it. But again, consistent with prior labs over the years. I stand by my original post. I was injecting at minimum 0.7ml MWF for at least 6 weeks prior to getting labs done. I did not take any replacements. 87 comped me for sending in samples for testing to Jano.
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O yeah doing well man. First time cruising ever and I kinda like it, normally it's always pct. Will go back to pct though. Anyways I was considering dhb lately. I see everyone jumping on that train. I'll be looking forward to your pic
cim131313Thanks man . Glad to hear !
Since you're lean already that dhb should really shine. Keep us updated
cim131313Sounds good . I got leaner while on trt compared to my most recent pic . I’ll update with a pic and info when I hit week 6 or so of using it . It’s already shining nice haha .
No worries man. You took that knock very well! +1
Thank you very much bud.
Lol that response was classy gotta admit
100%
Proabbaly cant read cause he still has tears in his eyes from getting his azz kicked by the dolphins on sunday lol
I’m a saints fan tho. We pulled that comeback on the dirty birds. Well they gave it away in the 4th. Whichever way you want to look at it. Maybe the falcons need the link to eroids. Get their game up.
My bad the name threw me off. A win is a win. On to week 2. Goodluck man
It’s been my sons nickname. So we have been pulling for the kid since Bama too
Good luck to y’all too
Hahaha. I just hope my ole lady wasn't sitting on the couch next to you watching the game..I hope not!
Do you still have any left over so we can have it tested?
Yeah bro I have 4.5 vials left.
JuicedAggressionSo you will be the one sending them to the testing facility, correct? The SRC is just providing the funds. Because if you were to send them to SRC and he sends them himself then we learn nothing because at that point any bottle could be sent. Not hating on you Eighty7.....just looking for transparency in getting this sorted out honestly.
Didn’t see this initially but Just responded to Wanted below with explanation.
87 reached out and asked for my email. I was given an address via email and told to send the vials there. To Which I responded back (in short through PM) why? And was told I would have them replaced. So I initially assumed that was it just a trade off no testing. But then in email response, confirming address, testing would be sent out but that would perhaps not be received well and asked if I would be okay with sending to Jano. So I’m just awaiting a response now.
Yes I'd rather you send them to janoshik.com
Sorry to jump in but yea that's what 87 said. He said that ghost would send them. Maybe ghost can verify this. Good stuff man
See above brother
Cool. Yea it will work itself out between you two
No excuses has cyp on sale 15 a vial
Lol
Do we blame the source when he stated he's had a decrease in his response to Sust over the years?
JuicedAggressionWhether your response is good or bad.....however much Test you put into your body is going to show up on the serum test. Your response has nothing to do with total blood serum levels.
You don’t have a decreased response so much that your 630mg a week is trt dosed on blood work…
Sust is test, and people have slight responses if any, not that much.
I get 2,400 on week 5 4 days after injection. Gove or take that’s on 500 mgs a week
Yea mines was good also. When did you get yours? I recieved my vials during his second promo giveaway. I'm asking cause possibly a batch issue. 87 is my man but bad batches are possible. Can happen to any src. What you think? And when did u receive?
JuicedAggressionNot to bash your opinion bro....but, I've never understood the whole "Bad Batch" thing when it comes to being over or under dosed. It's actually extremely simple math. You either put the proper amounts in or you don't. If you have the brains to run and operate a business such as this...it's almost impossible to fuck that up. Truly, simple math.
We never know what the person who did bloodwork is actually doing and what amount he's actually taking. All we can do is take their word. And Testosterone is extremely cheap and no source has any good reason to put less in it. As far as you not understanding what a bad batch could be. Well it's the batch of raw materials used to make steroids. You don't know exactly how good they are until you send them off for testing. It's not simple math a bad batch doesn't mean a source made a mistake on measurements. He's sending us the bottles and they will be tested.
JuicedAggressionWhether the purity is high or low the test will still show exactly how many mg are in the product being tested. To get the correct 300mg per ml in each batch it is extremely simple math. Now if you were to send the raw itself in for a purity test that is the only way to see how much loss is due to purity. However the mg per ml will show regardless the purity which is why I said calling it a "bad batch" because of under or over dosed is an src's (IMO) lame excuse.
Now, speaking of purity loss....if you put the correct amounts per volume and it comes out fire gear one batch and then not so much another batch due to purity loss I'd say it's time to get a new raw supplier because they're obviously fucking you around on quality.
Basically the Janoshik test shows how many mg/ml are in the product, not how pure it is. So if the mg/ml are under dosed or over dosed that is pure shit on the SRC's part because yes, it's simple math.
All bottles ?
Yessir The 4 unopened ones I have remaining. There were 6 paid for beginning of June from an order. Then I had the promo middle of July which was an additional 2 Sust and Proviron. Went through almost 2 vials myself but a buddy of mine needed some (prior to these labs) so gave him two.
In contact with 87 now just determining if I’m going to send to Jano myself vs send vials to address given and let them do it. Obviously would make sense to do the former in my opinion. Unfortunately no matter what it’s still one’s word against another as 87 mentioned already in the thread responding to another member. We never REALLY know what someone is injecting. How they got their labs done. If the source is going to send the vials they receive for testing vs send something else. Etc. We’re taking the word of a person we don’t know on the internet.
I’ve never sent an unopened vial to Jano, just the small 1ml blind samples in tiny test tubes. I think he’s suggesting sending the entire vial unopened which definitely makes sense to me. Zero room for tampering there. I also have half or 1/3 of an opened vial I could send a smaller sample of too.
Looks like you guys will work it out just fine. I'm confident in the both of y'all. Both of you guys are straight shooters like myself and the results will speak for itself
Better take the labels off or it is not a blind sample
You don't send it off to be tested in the bottle it came in
good to know, never done it before but GHost said something about sending in unopened vials.
Yeah that’s cuz our communication has been a little… off. For lack of better words. Initially it was asked to send vials to him. Then I thought it was being asked to send them to Jano, which I found out recently he did mean samples.
Still waiting on email back but looking like will send sample from the opened vial and one from an unopened vial.
I think the most important aspect is that you are the one sending in the samples.
Yes I was going to send them but then I realized people would think this so I later messaged him again and asked if he would send them himself.
JuicedAggressionAgreed
Yea 4 vials
4
Good point
It actually isn't
JuicedAggressionIt actually is. And I'm not hating.....just being honest. I brewed for years and have been involved with several compounding pharmacies. I chose a different path because the stress of getting popped nearly made me lose my mind. Day in, day out a thousand emails talking bout where's my pack even tho they just ordered that day lol and then if it doesn't show on the exact day here come the threats..."I've got an uncle in the feds and I'm gonna tell him" blah blah blah....like bruh, seriously lmao! Too much fuckin stress for this guy. I'm much happier now with less money and much much healthier lol!
So it only becomes simple math at what point? When raws are at 95% or something?Just curious
JuicedAggressionNo, for the type of test your doing....I'm assuming the standard Janoshik test for mg per ml or per tab in the product being tested. That is purely simple math. Nothing more. You'll need an HPLC test to check purity in order to find out the product loss due to purity which is the only way that it wouldn't necessarily be the SRC's fault. Unless the purity is fucked and the SRC continues to use that supplier....in that case it is also the SRC's fault.
Thanks for explanation. Yea goes back to what I said, not hating on srcs, but the buck stops with them. Now with that said, I don't remember 87 having issues with purity in the past just to be fair. But hey we will see.
JuicedAggressionNo problem bro, anytime. Kinda hoping it's a purity issue because if it's a mg/ml issue from a top ten SRC....that's just sad.