+ 40 Tis' the season... FOR CRASHED GEAR
Weather is starting to turn and cold weather is coming! One of the reprecussions is that some gear sent may crash due to cold weather. Now many of us understand this and know how to handle gear BUT there are MANY new to this and don't know what crashed gear IS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE OR WHAT TO DO:
CRASHED GEAR will look cloudy/thick/chunky
THIS does NOT mean the gear is BUNK or you got SCAMMED! So we don't need 100 alarms going off by uninformed noobies setting off 100 more alarms.
SOLUTION: Re-Heat the gear! Dependent upon HOW crashed it is it can be reconstituded by something as easy as a HAIR DRYER to placing a vial in a PAN W/WATER on a stove.
NO you do not submerge the vial! 1/4-1/2" should suffice but be SURE water level is BELOW stopper!
Be sure to pierce the stopper (a quick poke with a syringe should be fine) to alleviate pressure within the vial!
As gear is heating give it a swirl and you will notice clarity returning! : )
FEEL FREE TO ADD OTHER METHODS AND/OR INFO THAT MAY BE PERTINENT SO WE MAY ALL PARTICIPATE IN THIS PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE AGAINST AN UNFORTUNATE REALITY THAT MANY OF YOU MAY (OR MAY NOT) BE INFORMED OR AWARE OF!
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Having some issues with a tren base. Believe its in bacterio water. Does that effect the ability to uncrash it? It came from a legit source, but the bottle was kinda cold when I opened the packages shortly after it arrived. I've tried heating it up in some water on the stove for several minutes but stopped because nothing was happening and I didn't wanna crack the vile or melt any part of the seal.
I absolutely hate products water based. The crystals don't get fully dissolved. Insulin syringes clog up. You don't get accurate dosages because the crystals settle on the bottom on the vial or don't fit through the opening of the needle.
It's powder not crystals, their not meant to dissolve.
You shake up the vial then immediately draw up before they settle again, this will give you an evenly dosed shot.
Powders are actually comprised of very small crystals which are known as "crystallites". You would see this under a microscope. I am well aware of how to draw water based products. The powder starts settling immediately. You'll notice as the liquid contents decrease from drawing, the powder content per ml increases. The more you draw the harder it is to extract the active ingredient. The only solutions is to use a 16g or 18g needle to extract. Then you have to pull the plunger off from the syringe and squirt the content into it. It is overall a pain in the ass. I prefer oil based. A good lab is able to make test base, tren base and winstrol with oil.
Save it. It's powder. You overanalyzing the definition of a powder is not saving face, it's only making you look more ridiculous.
It's like arguing that a grain of salt is not a grain. v the salt crystals I can grow on dental floss suspended in salt water.
FYI a lot of that "active ingredient" isn't active at all. What you bought is a test suspension. What you wanted was Testosterone No Ester (TNE)
It's in water, it's micronised powder in water. It's not meant to dissolve. You shake it up before drawing up so you get an even dose per shot.
Stop heating for fucks sake, but after several minutes on the stove as you said above, it's probably fucked now anyway so I'd throw it and research so you won't have to come on here asking and talking of your rookie mistakes.
PM the source you got it from I'm sure he'll confirm what I've written. The source would also of been the best option to put your concern to.
Tren Base is reasonably cheap, hopefully it's only one vial that's been ruined with heat, several minutes of heat lol.
"talking of your rookie mistakes." That's good stuff. I guess technically your're right, since I haven't had to deal with crashed gear or water based products before. Good thing you're here to set me straight, Robb.
The source I got it from was my mom's neighbor's god-son's local fire department's first lieutenant's toaster, so they're not the best source of info, if you feel me.
The heat didn't seem to harm it. Still makes me wanna punch the back of my own face after about 2 hours from injection.
I started to realize the same thing below... jumped too quickly at his comment, "Does that effect the ability to uncrash it?" ...posted in a thread about crashed gear.
Have a little faith, try a little longer, the contents should look like it's starting to boil. Swirl it around when it's hot to help suspend and dissolve the crystals. use a needle (without the syringe) to vent the top when heating.
You can also try adding some uncashed tren to the vile to dilute it some (Still need to heat it), odds are it's overdosed.
What's the worse that can happen? You crack a vile of crashed tren you can't use anyway?
Thanks you're right. Its not a huge loss. However, I did just try to uncrash it the right way and NOTHING. I was wondering if maybe since it's in bacterio water then that means it just IS this way?
Vent the top and hold a lighter under the vile, you'll be able to see the crystals start to melt away like dry ice in water.
Edit: to be clear, are you looking at crystals or a milky chalk?
Milky chalk powder
it's not crashed.
Shake it vigorously before drawing it, you might want to go down a gage when pinning. take a smaller dose than usual so you can get a feel for what the PIP will be like.
Alphamale500You know, after all the different methods I've used to reheat crashed gear to reconstitute it, I've come to the conclusion that using a heating pad is the easiest method imo! Especially if you're a beginner, this method is so simple and you can't mess it up. All you do is plug it in and turn it on(I prefer the hottest setting), and place your vials of crashed gear inside and fold it over them. And that's it! Even if you just leave the vials sitting on the heating pad without folding it over, it'll still do the job. To move the process along, you can shake the vials vigorously every five minutes or so.
But the main reason this method is great for beginners is because no matter how long you leave the vials in/on the heating pad, it just doesn't get hot enough to ruin them!! Another simple method is to wrap the crashed vial with a hand warmer, like the kind they sell in Home Depot or Lowe's. Just be sure to shake and let the hand warmer get hot before wrapping it around the vial. There's simple directions on the package about activating the warmers.
With both of these methods you just wait as long as it takes(usually from 20 to 45 minutes), and when you see they are back to pure oil with no crystals, they're done. Nothing else is needed on your part. Anyone with just a tiny bit of intelligence can use these methods. But if you have a heating pad at home, you might as well just use that method because you can also use it if you like to warm your gear before injecting. These are both idiot proof methods.
I have used various gear for the better part of 30 years, USA Pharmacy, Pharmacy Overseas, Vet Grade, and the Underground Labs. The only gear I ever had crash, was always from underground labs. While it doesn't mean the gear is fake/bad powder, it usually is just made sub-par or extremely high MG/ML. Sustanon seemed to be the compound I had crash most over the years from UG labs, and I assume it's due to the various melting points of the compounds/esters. I heated mine a few times, if I didn't have an easily replaceable source, but if I did have other options, I tossed my crashed gear.
Experience varies for each user here.
I've actually had a vial of Watson Test Cyp 200mg/ml crash, the vial was bought at Walgreens (you may have heard mixed reviews about them), with a prescription from a real (non internet) doctor. Said doctor wrote a new script for a replacement vial,......... I got to keep the crashes vial, ....... (score).
Crashed Gear is a problem at this time of year. So many guys have different ways of handling it and most are effective. Sometimes it does re-crystalize after clearing up.
Hey guys just wondering if crashed gear will crystalize again after you heat it? Will you have to continuously reheat it every time you want to do an injection? I live in a tropical area so it's never too cold.
I have some crashed gear so I'll have the answer to these questions shortly, was just wondering if anyone went thru this already and could let me know. Thanks
If it's high dosed most probably yes. You could cut it with another product to make it more stable. E.g., if you have test-e 400 that keeps crashing, add some test-e 250 to the vial... your mixing ratio would dictate the new potancy. (5mg test-e 400 + 5mg test-e 250 = 10mg test-e 325)
Good advice.
Hey thanks for your answer. It's cyp250 and I used a blow drier last night. I barely had to heat it at all. It's still fine today didn't crash again. I live somewhere tropical and I believe the gear froze on its way thru mainland and Sub-Zero temps. So I will let u guys know if it crashes again but so far so good. And it's still unopened.
Alphamale500Is it DHB? Just asking because many batches of DHB crash often and sometimes repeatedly. I know you said you live in a tropical area, but do you keep your gear near the AC or anything like that? Once you reconstitute crashed gear, as long as you don't store it in a cold area, it really shouldn't crash again. But, depending on the compound and solvents, it can crash again. Happens a lot with DHB like I mentioned.
But just because your gear crashed once and needed to be reheated, no that doesn't mean it'll need to be repeatedly reheated. Again, depends on compound. Try to keep it stored in the high end of acceptable storage temperature range. Store at 25°C (77°F) , with excursions permitted to: 15° to 30°C (59° to 86°F). But try and stay as close to 77° F as possible if your gear is crashing repeatedly.
Thanks for your input bro, i used a blow drier last night barely had to heat it at all. I believe it went thru subzero temps on its way here, and arrived crashed. It's cyp250 and looks fine this morning. I'll update you over the next few days on how it's doing. It's still unopened. It's currently around lunch and actually 76F at room temp now. thanks again
Alphamale500With Cyp250, it should be fine! And yeah, a blow dryer should work fine. At 76°F, I don't think you should have to reconstitute your gear again, unless you put it somewhere cold. If you think about it, the temperature is probably below freezing or so when those packages are in the storage compartment of planes at like 30,000 ft in the air or whatever. Anyway, Good luck with your gear!
Only garbage gear crashes
RustyhookerNot true. Only super high solvent gear wont crash. Pip is off the charts too.
I’ve never had crashed gear... Except one time because it was trash...
How cold does it get where you live? I think all of us in the north have had it happen.
Let’s just say it was 78 yesterday... I was just thinking that. It doesn’t really get that cold.
Alphamale500That's a very good point. I was saying below, if you have some test cyp or prop with enough ethyl oleate in it, it'll never crash.
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RustyhookerEo is a bugger too. Its a supersolvent but many folks get reactions to it unfortunatly. Kinda goes back to simple old school mg per cc to avoid hassles. Or being good at blending so its a nice time.
When I was still new to the AAS world I used to think that I was sensitive to EO, then as I became better educated I realized that what I thought was a bad reaction was bitchin PIP from the high concentration of gear that is typically brewed with EO. At this point I don't go out of my way to not use gear with EO, but I prefer not to.
RustyhookerI ran many times one brand that had high eo...no problems. Another lab...holy hell. That was quite a few years ago though so it seems that overall, gear has improved greatly. Back when eroids started, pop was an everyday convo. Now its usually a user error or big pin...new guy stuff. Im impressed with how far ugl has come. Its not at all like the older days in general in terms of pip.
That's a really good point. I started using UGL gear about 7 years ago and PIP was pretty normal. I wasn't active here so I didn't realize how common it was though. Back in those days I just lurked on the ratings and reviews without contributing to the forums.
RustyhookerWhen this place was getting going the pip forums were a daily deal. Ive had to learn a lot with ugl and watched things change for the better. Some gear will always have pip like winny. One of my best cycles way back then was also the worst on pip. Fairly famous brand but wow. Lol! I was using pharma before i got here. Im glad i found this place for sure!
My first few cycles were Pharma test, and my God a test only cycle without Eroids would cost what two advanced cycles with Eroids costs
RustyhookerOh man, yes! But it is what it is. Supply n demand out there. Lol
Alphamale500Actually, it's possible for any gear to crash depending on many different variables. Temperature alone can cause gear to crash, even pharmacy gear.
Short esters/bases can be a bitch. I've got some high quality TNE that is a bitch to keep from crashing, especially in the colder weather.
Alphamale500That's true! Propionate can be a bitch sometimes among others. Rusty made a really good point above. Gear that has very high amounts of solvents like ethyl oleate for one, may not crash at all even under the worst conditions for gear.
You know how some ppl used to put their test cyp in the fridge purposely to see if it crashes, so they know it's real, or at least there's some compound in it? Well, when there's a high enough amount of ethyl oleate in that test cyp, it'll never crash!
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That's bro true! Same with guiacol (I'm sure I misspelled that). All the same I have also received crashed gear in the summer. At the end of the day as long as you know how to get it in suspension again it's not the end of the world.
Ahhh,...........NO.
I have personally seen Watson Test Cyp bought with a prescription at Walgreens crash, showed it to the dr, he wrote a new cript for a replacement, the pharmacist refused to do shit without it.
Must of been garbage pharm gear! Straight from the gutter of the barrels mixed with sewage water.
Seems like I keep crossing paths with you being a dick. I was fairly nice with you last time because i suspect you're on tren again and I know it doesn't agree with you. But, my warnings are running low.
I was jk sheesh... I was talking KMC language
Burt can't pull off being the Grouch.
Bahahaha
Sure buddy, I'll pass your message on to the Walgreens manager.
Lol thanks brother!