+ 10 Surprising numbers
Been running 1mL Test E 300 total per week for the last 12 weeks. With 2mL Primo E total per week. Both Pcom. Never had a number that low on 300mg/wk. thought it would be at least double that tbh. Not because of the way I feel just because so many trust the brand. That’s less than I pulled on Test C 200mg/wk in the past. This is my first time running Pcom Oils.
Almost all of my prior labs from gear With good results support 200mg/wk putting me around 1000-1200 total test levels. Anything 350mg/wk has always been over 2000. And the highest I’ve pulled was 3600ish at 700mg/wk. Which is still lower than a lot of guys running the same. But I draw labs like minimum 3 times a year. And been cycling for >6 years now. Something is off here.
Proviron 25mg Daily from an OG domestic lab that’s no longer here.
Running gold tops for months now. Went down to 2iu 5on/2off for the last 3 mos. initial labs are posted from running 3.33IU daily. I thought this # would be closer to 300 tbh based on original labs. One difference now however is I have been running arimidex 0.25mg twice a week. I do think AIs and SERMs definitely decrease IGF-1 numbers.
Definitely still recommend the gold tops from John. No issues there. Based on these numbers with Pcom though I’m gonna hold out until a later date before I make any firm determination on the oils. Maybe batch related? For now I guess I’ll double my dose..
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Should be at least double bro. Sorry man you had to go through this. What a let down. Your good with Arni bro. Pcom is trusted. I tried a mix and was not impressed. I know when stuff isnwroking especially with the T, atrophy if you know what I mean. Fux man. Hate that for you but your in good hands. I trust this dude
What was the solution basicstero offered you? I’ve seen the posts on his si page that you didn’t think it was a solution.
Are you sending a vial off to be tested?
He offered to pay for another round of blood work if I injected 300mg or 1mL and got labs drawn 48hrs after pin. Which obviously doesn’t help in any way. Just inject twice the dose and expect a higher number..? Obviously so but still incredibly underdosed based on all prior labs.
Said SIMEC isn’t accepting samples to send in. I’m trashing it all. Couldn’t give it away to a few buddies I told about it.
Numbers should be around 1000ng/dl with 150mgs, even after 6 weeks, on second or third day. Good test has legs, lasts. from my personal experience and witnessing many others. IMO and personal experience was good enough for me. And then if Testosterone product, being cheaper to make, is underdosed, so is everything else. I may be pushing the wrong way, but thtas the way I see it. Patterns after 5 years watching this stuff. Familiar patterns
Wow, that’s a terrible offer.
My theory is they intentionally underdosed the gear because if you remember before this corona virus, there was a possibility of China stopping making raws etc and they wanted to make what they had last longer.
Just a theory though.
Best just to bin it and move on, plenty of well dosed gear available on this site.
Agreed. Shit offer.
Didn’t even consider that but a decent theory for sure. Will be interested to see the labs fusebox has done next month. Same warehouse and time frame order of Test E, so likely same batch.
BigCactusLol terrible damage controle...
Yeah you should be closer to 2000+. Thats weird. Also for only using 2iu 5 on 2 off, id say your igf looks ok to me. I mean 2iu of generic,especially not even everyday, got you to where im at using 4iu of pharma norditropin lately lmao! But seriously....
I wanted to ask for batch number, but see your reply, I will contact you and ask for order number at least.
Also, what was your exact pinning schedule and how many hours after the latest injection did you take blood? It is relevant.
PM sent. And for everyone here who didn’t see it earlier in the thread. Two injects weekly or E3D (Sun/Wed) of 0.5ml (if not slightly more). Labs pulled ~48hrs after last injection
Wait and see what the source says, the numbers had to be much higher.
+1 for sharing .
Those are low #'s bro...Call 'em out
sorry was he using pharnaroids / onlythebestaas???
I have bloods posted on 200 mg of the test e and pulled 1400+.
Seen that. I’ve honestly never seen bad numbers posted with Pcom oils bro. Hence my surprise. They were sent stealth so I don’t even have batch numbers just the order number but I already sent an inquiry on it
Let me know what Frank says. Just shoot me a pm in case I miss it here
BigCactusCould be fake? Or did you order straight from pcom.
Straight from basicstero
Molinin302http://pharmacomlaps.com/news/25
Not sure if this helps.
That site you just posted is fake dude, be careful.
This is the real one:
http://pharmacomlabs.com/story
roughdogMy bloods pulled at 608 on pharmacom test prop at 225mg a week. Thought that was ok?
You guys will know better than me
After what beard just posted, I suspect that its the product.
His post clearly shows a large inconsistency in the quality. I would be just as upset to score that high on 500mg/wk as you did low on 300mg/wk. Id also expect your hematocrit, hemoglobin and RBC to be slightly elevated after 5 or 6 weeks let alone 12. Unless you've donated recently.
I had the same issue with igf1 testing awhile back. I was scoring low on 3, 4 and 5iu daily. Thought it could possibly be the product. Had a gh serum test and it scored through the roof. Then I had a metabolic blood panel. My liver values where pretty bad. I scored over 100 on both ast and alt. I stopped taking all orals and took tudca, nac, milk thisle for about 6 or 8 weeks and got my values down to around 60 each. Then I started to score better on igf. It's anecdotal, but maybe this will help. +1
Yeah no donation. Not even concerned about the gold tops they were a solid product. That number is fine to me considering the schedule change, dose reduction, and AI use compared to last bloods.
For what it’s worth I ran their test 300 at 500 mgs a week and pulled total test of 6,000. This was a while back though.
PcushionI have labs posted here on eroids with total test 4,900 on pcom test e @ 400mg as well.
Lol i ran 840mgs weekly of someone's test E and quest capped me at 10,000 lmao it was too high even for quest to calculate! But it was at least 10000. That was an insane cycle for sure!
Crazy difference that’s hella high numbers for that dose
I think I’m a hyper responder to test. I can only run like 150 before I start to get sides. Other anabolics I can blast a gram plus no problem.
Wow. Genetics and metabolism man. So different from one person to the next
Wasn't there some discussion a while back regarding DHT(provi) effecting igf-1 numbers? I'm wondering if that could be in play here. Were you running provirin during your 1st test? And is the gh you're currently running from the same batch as the 1st? +1 for testing/sharing
I was actually running 50mg Proviron daily from same source as current on those prior labs. And yup, same batch.
Well damn. Regarding igf numbers, I guess the next question would be liver values.
And while your total test. levels are low, your free is elevated. So for what it's worth, at least you know the provi is putting in some work.
LFTs within normal range last labs. This one my AST was slightly elevated at 44 (upper limit 40) but that shouldn’t make a difference imo with that mild elevation.
Lol, got one good product in the mix!
Do you still like the gold tops
Absolutely
Thanks i just picked some up first try with them——Hope you get this figured out and they make it up to ya.
No problems at all w the gh brother you’ll like them. Based on my hx of labs w growth im sure the igf-1 would have been higher without the adex. Real numbers in question were test levels which is the other source.
Yeah those golds have been getting good reviews. I've got 5 kits on the way and will be running them on cycle w/adex. Hope theres no issues. I wasnt aware adex. could effect igf-1 numbers, frankly.
So would running masteron help instead of running the adex
ZandaYes, that’s what I do.
Ive never run mast., but I'm aware of its anti-estrogen properties so that may be an option. Someone more familiar w/the compound may have some input.
Well it makes sense. Your liver filters your blood. I bet ibuprofen would reduce IGF conversion too.
Nah I get that. But is adex hepatoxic enough to actually hinder igf-1 production? I wasnt aware that it was.
The reason AI’s can affect igf is because e2 is important for igf production. But his isn’t crushed or too low so it shouldn’t be making much difference.
There ya go. E2 is needed for igf-1 production. I know it’s more complex than that with cofactors for enzymes and pathways and blah blah blah. Ultimately everyone’s body is different.
Mast does nothing to my E2 level. EQ does nothing to my E2 level.
Liver impairment with or without changes in estrogen can effect IGF-1 production. Adex is not hepatotoxic and does not “stress” the liver. However it does inhibit an enzyme called CYP2D6, and another CYP3A4, which can make any other medications that need that enzyme basically ineffective. Nolvadex does the same thing. They’re not supposed to be taken together.
Good info right there my man!
Actually I’m not sure. I don’t know about adex but I bet your liver has to work to get rid of it. I bet of you have a combination of things your liver is working on it can hinder. So many factors.
I guess the question then is- to what degree does the liver need to be taxed in order to effect igf-1 production? And how much stress does adex. put on the liver?
See above
This is the question I think about when I go on HGH. Just because it’s so expensive and don’t want to waste my money. I’m afraid to take anything. I worry about what gear I run. I have only used testosterone with hgh but I am going to try it with test and EQ for this run. Then pull bloods.