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Been running 1mL Test E 300 total per week for the last 12 weeks. With 2mL Primo E total per week. Both Pcom. Never had a number that low on 300mg/wk. thought it would be at least double that tbh. Not because of the way I feel just because so many trust the brand. That’s less than I pulled on Test C 200mg/wk in the past. This is my first time running Pcom Oils.

Almost all of my prior labs from gear With good results support 200mg/wk putting me around 1000-1200 total test levels. Anything 350mg/wk has always been over 2000. And the highest I’ve pulled was 3600ish at 700mg/wk. Which is still lower than a lot of guys running the same. But I draw labs like minimum 3 times a year. And been cycling for >6 years now. Something is off here.

Proviron 25mg Daily from an OG domestic lab that’s no longer here.

Running gold tops for months now. Went down to 2iu 5on/2off for the last 3 mos. initial labs are posted from running 3.33IU daily. I thought this # would be closer to 300 tbh based on original labs. One difference now however is I have been running arimidex 0.25mg twice a week. I do think AIs and SERMs definitely decrease IGF-1 numbers.

Definitely still recommend the gold tops from John. No issues there. Based on these numbers with Pcom though I’m gonna hold out until a later date before I make any firm determination on the oils. Maybe batch related? For now I guess I’ll double my dose..

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I'll be running it with test/npp/provi/var. Bloods also of course during and post cycle. We'll see whats up.

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Agreed, surprised me as well. I’m gonna reach out to Frank

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mujeriego's picture

How long after pin did you pull bloods?
I would contact basicstero, I’m pretty sure they still offer to pay to send to a lab for testing.

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Gh0st's picture

3 days... but that really shouldn’t matter much so far into a cycle. Numbers would be peaking at that point anyways. I may reach out, thanks for the advice.

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mujeriego's picture

It definitely matters. Doesn’t matter how far into a cycle you are if you are pinning far enough apart your test still peaks and troughs. But it still shouldn’t be this low considering the dose even in the trough. Tbh this is probably the first bad set of bloods I’ve seen on pcom. Would be interesting to see what it comes out to if you get it tested.

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Gh0st's picture

Peaks and troughs based on half life, no? Peak for Enanthate would be approximately 48-72hrs post injection unless I’m wrong on those numbers. My inject was Sunday morning, labs obtained Tuesday afternoon so closer to 48hrs than 72 actually.

Trough is difficult to obtain when injecting more than once a week as the drug hasn’t been given enough time to fully distribute. And a trough is based on enough time for the drug to be distributed prior to the next injection which for most people 5-7 days later.

I used to pull labs for guys at a TRT clinic and our trough was always drawn 5 days post inject but they were injecting once weekly. Typically Cypionate Ester

EDIT- adding a link for pharmacodynamics of different testosterone preparations. Refer to Table 1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182226/#!po=0.819672

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mujeriego's picture

Yeah it all depends on your pinning schedule, that's why I said if you're pinning far enough apart. I'm asuming you were doing at least 2 x pins a week so it shouldn't matter. Like I said even if you were pinning far enough apart and you got it on the trough (which you didn't) it's still low. You're basically natty on 300mg per week which is ridiculous lol. I would definitely get the source to address this. Definitely surprising cause like you said pcom has a great reputation which has been built on great labs and bloodwork. Even a couple of posts below yours there's two members with very good blood work on pcom. If it was me I would push for your gear to get tested if they pay for it.

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Gh0st's picture

Yeah that’s why I’m kinda dumbfounded. Will definitely reach out to him.

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