+ 1 Telling a brand new GP about my test use.
Let me tell you a little story about my trip to the doctors office today. I have state insurance. It's free, and covers other medications that are vital to my daily life, so I CANNOT do anything that could jeopardize it. The GP they assigned me was too far from my home and I never went to see them, so I set off to find a new one near my home and went to my first appointment earlier today.
I went thru the motions.. The waiting in the lobby.. The nurses questions and vitals checking.. And then finally she came. My new attractive general practitioner. No lads, this is not a story of how I banged a hot doctor (not yet anyway), but this is a story of great fortune. She asked me about medications I am on. I listed the official ones, then she asked if there was anything else. Of course I smirked. I said, "I could tell you things that I don't want on the chart." She said, "OH, really?" After some back and forth about how I cannot afford to do anything that could get my insurance taken, she set off to ask her supervisor if there is any risk. After 10 mins or so went by, she came back with an enlightened attitude and said, "I didn't find my supervisor but I had a very enlightening conversation with my colleague. He say's that your insurance will never cancel on you, especially if we do it 'such and such' way. Furthermore, one of your other medications you are prescribed is known to cause secondary hypogonadism, so I can prescribe you testosterone therapy for that."
I was in shock, but I kept it coooool. This has gone so much --- SO MUCH better than I anticipated.
So she boiled down the plan for me. In a month she wants me to come in with low test levels, so we can run a blood test so that we can justify on paper, the prescription. So basically, my cruise doses no longer cost me money. God Bless America. The reason I am sharing this is because I see so many people online who are unsure of talking to a doctor. And, I can't say it won't go terribly, or if some states have significantly different law practices, but in this case, honesty got me so much more than I could have hoped for. I just wanted free blood tests but ended up with free gear too!
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Funny how thing work out sometimes. I have a new GP that took my bloods for a pre-op. The doctor knew just by looking at me that I was on even before the blood work came back. I never said anything to him about it or asked him questions regarding trt. The doctor just comes out and asked me what was I taking. He even had a few recommendations. He also encouraged me to donate blood as my RBC was a little high. Blood work tells the story. I can not stress the importance of constant blood work. But the big question is how did he know? It's not like I came in at 240lb at 5ft 9in with abs. Feeling pumped but hate thinking of the down time. SOOOO much hard work and diet. The doctors tell me that I will be out for at least 6 weeks after surgery. I have a Umbilical/Belly Button Hernia that will be repaired April 15th. Anyone out there that has this operation what was your recovery time? Let me know!!! Anyway stay safe and strap in on those heavy lifts...
eddoDamn man, you got lucky there, nice one!
But this is not a universal response from a GP, it could easily backfire and go the other way.
I’m glad it worked out for you though mate
RustyhookerYou got lucky!! Dr can lose license and theres no way a dr us gonna risk their future
You mean for prescribing it without a legitimate need? If so, the part about the other medication I take causing hypogonadism is a legitimate reason. I dunno if that's what you mean tho.
RustyhookerI could tell you things that I don't want on the chart." She said, "OH, really?" After some back and forth about how I cannot afford to do anything that could get my insurance taken, she set off to ask her supervisor if there is any risk. After 10 mins or so went by, she came back with an enlightened attitude and said, "I didn't find my supervisor but I had a very enlightening conversation with my colleague. He say's that your insurance will never cancel on you, especially if we do it 'such and such' way.
Hows all that confusing? Losing your medical license for some dude off the street.
Thats as legiyimate as hey dr i talk fentanyl from my street source oh ya, well come in and we will find out about your "back pain" and hook you up a script. Lol
At 31 its a farce. So yes, you got lucky
Lol I don't want any trouble RH. Clear as a bell.
Don’t take that shit from hooker? Tell us how you really feel. Lol
RustyhookerOh jesus....im ready. Helmets tight
RustyhookerNo trouble sir. I wish drs were more skilled/open to athletes. When i was young, there were drs that worked with our needs. Now ya gotta worry about losing insurance outright. Or look at the trt forums where dr advises 1 shot per month as mine did.
Have a great day, be safe!
then she asked if there was anything else. Of course I smirked. I said, "I could tell you things that I don't want on the chart." She said, "OH, really?"
I got pulled over by the cops the other day. He asked if there was anything in the car he should be worried about. I said "I could tell you but I might go to prison."
Why the hell would I say that?
Apples to oranges...
A cops job is to to enforce the law.
A doctor's job is to provide you with medical care to the best of their ability. Lying to them about potential health problems are going to hurt you, not them. The information might be important for the best treatment. HIPAA and confidentiality of course.
If the "off the record" comment wont hurt his insurance, then it is probably "on the record" now. Especially if meds or treatment is being prescribed. They didn't go through all the education for being stupid. I hope not anyway.
Glad everything worked out for OP.
Then there is the free insurance, which isn't free..Its paid by people who work and pay taxes. But that is another topic, so I wont get started.
That comparison is a good example of my line of thought on this one. Once she got confirmation that my insurance wouldn't drop me I accepted that she wanted to put it in the chart. Ultimately the purpose of me having a primary care doctor is to most efficiently monitor and optimize my health, even in the long term. If I were to hire a dietitian, I wouldn't leave out that I eat a full pint of Ben & Jerry's every other day during our check ins.
There may be situations where it comes back to bite me, but there also may be situations where them having that information could save me from highly negative health outcomes.
you're right about "free insurance." I am aware and grateful for the other tax payers of my state.
I appreciate both of your inputs! If anything very negative or very positive happens soon i'll post it here
I worked at a hospital and also worked with HIPAA compliance. HIPAA pretty much means I can't share your information with the public BUT I can share it with insurance and other doctors. If you tell your doctor you take pain killers recreationally and/or for pain Everytime you have a headache guess what? Flagged for no opiates ever. Doctors practice medicine so they are not stupid but far from the smartest. What you share with your doc is the same as what you share with a therapist. It can be used against you in the future when it comes to assisting any health issues or the latter. If you don't want to jeopardize any treatment, you say nothing. Nothing is secret.
I get it..
And it goes both ways, 2 years ago my nephew who sold dope swallowed a bunch of crack cocaine. If he would have told the truth he would still be here, maybe in prison but alive. Enjoy your day, Mack.
You know that's completely different, my condolences for your loss but he was a stand-up guy.
Bloods are important after all eh?
Ha! Good one. This isn't a scenario where someone is catching me for something, and then grilling me about other things. This is a doctor who i'm choosing to visit and considering accepting care from. Felt like a difference type of situation to me at the time. And I had already had it set in my mind that IF I didn't get a bad feeling, I would just go for it and do my best to handle it wisely. I didn't actually smirk btw. That was for comedic effect!
It's called common sense. Common sense should tell you don't say anything not even HINT at something illegal. The way you described it if I was your doctor I would flag your file. Just saying think about it.
Thanks for the insight. In this particular case, the place I went to deals mostly with people who are living on the street, shooting hard drugs and prostituting themselves. I felt I was safer here than in a more typical setting. You're right tho, of course. It was a risk the way I described it.
I told the doctor at the VA I was running tren. He about shit
Lol! What did he do after that? I didn't disclose any additional compounds to mine.
He was actually glad I was honest with him. He’s a VA doctor so he more surprised I wasn’t on any prescription meds. Shook my hand on that one
There are some cooperative Docs out there if you really look. Glad you found one.
Thanks man!
What med are you on that causes hypogonadism?
No HGH. This was my first time talking to a doc about hormones. In this case it's a partial agonist opioid called subutex. Long term use of opiates/opioids causes testosterone to lower so much so that its medically relevant.
Subs are addicting too bro. I weened myself off years ago and I feel so much better now.
Good job man!
I think he'll mean HGH won't he?
Probably but if there’s anything else I’d like to know.