posted Wed, 06/12/2019 - 06:22
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Switched from Test Cyp to Super Sust 300 (Complications!!)
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Hey bros , need some expertise!
Running a test only bulk cycle I been trying to use As less amounts of compounds as possible. I started the cycle front loading and finishing five weeks worth of test cyp. It worked phenomenally and I Gained an extra 5 pounds of bloat and water weight ( along with strength and muscle gains ). When I switched over to this Sust 300 , I began sweating a lot on top of nausea And I can tell that a lot of the swelling and water retention went down, even though I like a little bloating especially while bulking but I wanted to know if this is normal and what to expect from this transition of esters and if it’s the reason I’m nauseous and sweating overboard ..
Much thanks ,
Jersey
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DivineHdoesnt sound like test on the sustan 300
when in doubt throw it out!
To invoke Avril Lavigne, why’d you have to go and make things so complicated?
So taking a gander at your recent pics, it’s a brand I’ve never even heard of. I have to state upfront: I very highly doubt most labs are actually bothering to measure out the precise amounts of propionate, phenylpropionate, isocaproate, and decanoate esters to replicate the original Organon formula, much more likely blending up a cocktail of prop, cyp, and E or something to that effect. Anyone who isn’t naive to the game knows this full well, but I’m sure there are exceptions; some purist UGLs who brew the legit recipe for nostalgia’s sake if nothing else. After all, what would be the point of making it precise? The product was a failure in medicine for the most part. It did not live up to its hypothesis of creating more stable blood serum levels. Not by a long shot. I think some countries still use it, but the vast majority of endocrinologists just prescribe cypionate.
I’m sorry to tell ya, bud, I have no idea what’s in that vial you’re drawing from. I don’t know why you’re getting this reaction. At least you only got the two vials
JerZ1107GSeasonIt’s domestic CENSORED I’ve been using them for years , REDACTED told me that’s their new line and from years of dealing with him with no issues I trusted the quality even tho I ordered CENSORED brand dildo-lube 300, I can’t knock him
RustyhookerWas the dildo lube slickerry?
JerZ1107GSeasonOf course bro
RustyhookerHaha....welcome to eroids!
You learn anything about buying extra gear so eff ups wont occur?
PcushionAs stated run some labs also start a journal and document these things in detail and the compounds taken. You would be amazed the dots you can connect over time. Few questions though.
Are you running and AI
How far after the switch did these things happen
Is the nausea constant
Anything else change during this period.
Have you checked to see if your running a fever?
JerZ1107GSeasonI’m starting the log now , great advice ! I did end up getting sick to my stomach which had me layed up to the point of me not even being able to respond or check my responses. I’m going to go back from and document everything that’s happened since I used the sust because the private lab Cyp was great
PcushionYeah man nausea is listed as a possible side effect for sustanon.
https://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datasheet/s/Sustanoninj.pdf
I hope you get it works out my man.
Its listed as a side for every steroid going mate - Tren, dbol, Adrol etc
I remember when I got my first bottle of Pharma Test prop 150mg/ml and it was listed as a side in the leaflet and I just thought you must be kidding me - was written in a way that I was almost definitely gonna feel like that! Lol
Might be the different Esters playing you a trick . Its my understanding that sust is hard to control . Blod test would be the Way to go to Get a more defined answer i Think ? Also if it aint broke Dont fix just continue with the cyp if it agrees with you . Good luck dude
JerZ1107GSeasonSolid advice , I’m full of regret now but have bloodwork planned this week . Much appreciation bro
There are too many variable factors here to determine the cause. It could be the batch you got or just the way you react to Sust.
JerZ1107GSeasonI’ve used it before but like you said it could easily be the batch, coming from a lab I rely on this would be a great disappointment
RustyhookerBlood test. Where the e2 at? And doses before to current?
Why the switch bro? I've never quite understood why some people run Sust when they could just run high dose Test, Sust I presume provides more stable bloods but also provides more sides in my experience.
Injecting Cyp or Eth 2x week provides very stable bloods, just drop the Sust dude and stick with the Cyp . Sust I know has the short esters, but even so you could always mix a bit of Test Prop in with the Cyp.
JerZ1107GSeasonMuch appreciation , switched up , and things got better !
PcushionGood ole Sustanon. This is actually a prob the most complex testosterone preparation to run and truthfully not for beginners. I have used sust quite a few time myself in the past. I am not a huge fan though. People think it provides more stable blood levels but it’s really not true.
“Its peak blood concentrations (mean 71 nmol/l) are found 24-48 h after an injection of 250mg. The overall calculated mean T level in subjects receiving Sustanon 250 every three weeks was 27.7 nmol/l.” This was quoted from this source link is below.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/6467640/
If you see it on graph sust and test e follow almost the exact same peak and decline curve. Test e doesn’t have as high of a mean peak but also does not have nearly the difference in mean peak and average blood level that sust does. Which makes it more stable than the Sustanon. In reality though it makes sense it’s not recommended someone run four different esters at any given time over the course of a cycle and that’s bc it’s difficult stabilizing blood levels and Sustanon isn’t any different. It was designed for a faster and longer duration of action over single ester test preparations, and not so much stability.
Below are links to some good information on Sustanon. Not bro science crap but actual medical information.
https://anabolic.org/sustanon-250/
https://medsafe.govt.nz/profs/datasheet/s/Sustanoninj.pdf
JerZ1107GSeasonThanks so much !
PcushionAnytime
that is some excellent info bro, ty for the work put in on that reply.
JerZ1107GSeasonCompletely agree
PcushionNo worries brother all my comments are long as hell. I can’t give short answers for some reason.
Dominick77Hard to give a definitive answer since our bodies each process AAS differently. It all boils down to how it affects YOU and how to combat the sides it may bring YOU. I personally tend to stick with compounds that work for me, so for example if TestE worked well for you, stick with it. Sustanon, if you got the traditional multi estered blend, in my opinion, is best when pinned ED, at the very least, EOD. Good luck bro, wish you well!
JerZ1107GSeasonThanks a lot bro I appreciate you taking the time out to help