+ 4 The importance of research *a personal experience*
There is nothing new about the subject I am about to discuss, but given the nature and power of the hormones we may or may not choose to put in our bodies, I feel like a new post couldn't hurt. A recent personal experience also reminded me of the dire need to research the substances we are thinking of using. Up until I found eroids most if not all I knew about AAS was based on he said she said broscience that was just flat out crazy and in hindsight was the cause of a lot of health issues I ran into during and after past cycles.
I am of the opinion that AAS and hgh, due to their association with fitness and strength, loose some of the caution deserved as powerful drugs. And mind you, I am not saying everyone or hell I may be just reminding myself that I forgot. But if anyone else may not remember I am saying it again. These hormones are very powerful prescription meds that we must learn everything about before putting them in our bodies. It becomes even more important when we are taking other meds or supplements. There are a lot of interactions between meds. Some apparent some not so. I recently found an interaction between hgh and a medication I take. Of course My dumb ass found the interaction by causing the interaction! Apparently hgh lowers serum blood levels of buprenorphine, causing withdrawal. And let me tell you to experience that without knowing what is going on is pretty scary. It was only after reaching out to a fellow eroids member that through messages and ideas that I finally checked drug interactions and found it. So O f course that brings me back to the importance of research, research, research! This was a rookie mistake that was pretty costly as well. But sometimes we all need a reminder of the power of the gear we are using and I am not ashamed to admit, this was mine.
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Thanks for the heartfelt article! Yes what you say is true. Of course there are a lot of sites that will tell you drug interactions like web.md or drugs.com. however, they usually don't include AAS since these are illegal substances. So it would be great if there was a site that listed them! +
Alphamale500I can certainly relate to your situation, from my own past similar experiences. Researching all the meds/supps/vitamins etc that you put into your body is really important, and I'm sure there are many of us who have to figure out some of these interactions the hard way by experiencing them first-hand.
You said you take Buprenorphine for opioid dependence right? What do you take Suboxone or Subutex? Have you heard of the new form of extended release Buprenorphine called Sublocade? It's a sub-q injection that you take just once per month. It's really amazing how far they've come in medications to treat opioid dependence.
But it's really sad when you see so many younger and younger kids hooked on opioid pills, heroin and all this other shit. But at least there are various forms of treatment for these kids today.
Subutex, and yes I heard of the injection. Not sure if my insurance would cover it or not. As it stands I pay $3 for 60 so its pretty cost effective. You are right about the stigma that comes with addiction. What I have noticed though is it is beginning to fade. Where as years ago it was something I felt like I ha to hide, but now I actually get shown a lot of support for taking the steps I've taken. I think the opioid epidemic has began to touch so many people's lives that the whole thought process is changing.
Alphamale500Yeah, I guess you can't beat $3 for 60 until you're able to wean yourself off. The stigma of addiction is fading, probably because it's touching so many lives like you said. It's very likely that the majority of families these days have at least 1 member that are mixed up in drugs. But then again, there are still some people out there that look at former addicts like the scum of the earth and I guess there will always be some. But fuck them, they have no idea of the battle we've fought and won.
Do you take the Buprenorphine for pain you have?
It's not for pain, I used to be a heroin addict. I started taking this med about 7 years ago. It was a game changer for me. People that know me now find it hard to believe where I came from. 4 x looser, no one and nothing left, to a responsible working family man that owns a house truck pays bills and grandkids love the shit out their pawpaw type dude. No drugs except the bup. And I am at a point in my life that it's time to start saying buy to that.
Alphamale500That's really great to hear bro! I was in a similar opioid addiction situation years ago, buy I've been totally clean for 8 years now myself. So I totally understand how hard of a situation it is to been in and to overcome! There's lots of guys that talk a lot of shit about us guys that were once addicts, but they don't even have a clue of what kind of man it takes to overcome that! Those kind of guys aren't half the men we are that were able to overcome that shit. Anyway, congrats bro! You should be really proud of yourself. Good shit bro.
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jayiskthey do prescribe buprenorphine or methadone for just pain. Not sure how well the buprenorphine works on pain but the methadone i've seen work well for pain.
but i wouldnt go with methadone as a 1st choice for chronic pain management. given its very long half-life and the bad withdrawals coming off of it.
Yeah, I know they do. The bup is usually prescribed in micrograms for pain. And as for the withdrawal of methadone, I know intimately! Lol I jumped off @ 150mg a day. You talking about hell. Not as intense as h withdrawal but so so much longer.
Alphamale500Yeah I remember being prescribed cases of Buprenex (Buprenorphine) ampules 0.3mg/ml. They were technically for pain, but I was actually using them as a treatment for my opioid dependence when Buprenorphine was still just being talked about as becoming an opioid addiction treatment med. Just trying to help myself beat my vicodin addiction at the time.
RustyhookerWell said!! Theres a lot of interactions that can harm you from adex and nolva to many otc or scripts. Deca and cortisone shots. Etc etc.
I was on proxatine for anxiety and coming off that was harsh as fuck it's nowhere near what you've been taking make sure you taper off slow like a year or more good luck bro hope you the best
jayiskI agree like any medication research is needed. But do you research every med that a dr. just writes you a script for, discuss it on a forum, and then take it? Or do you just fill the script and take it.
Sure you didnt look into everything regarding buprenorphine.
Not just directing this toward only you it is a general comment regarding everyone.
good luck with your recovery. and if you plan on coming off buprenorphine make sure to do a slow wean and dont stop a 2mg. Unless you want to go exp. withdrawals. taper all the way down to .25.
I agree, we tend to trust that the doctor knows if we should take this or that med since they know what meds we already take. To be honest I was dumbfounded that hgh interacted with it the way it did, especially considering our bodies produce it. Thanks for the advice tho.
jayiskI would have never thought of that. and its the 1st i've heard of it interacting. then when dr's have us on multiple meds there is no way to tell how poly-substance is going to interact. its never been studied.
I've taken suboxone and it was the only way to get off opiates. the only thing is its not great for a short stay in detox for 4 to 7 days. it more for maintenance or a very slow taper off.. because once you get out of detox in a week you start going through withdrawals anyway.
glad you got your life back.
Good post and good luck on your recovery. I’ve been completely off for a few years now and bupernorphine definitely saved my life. Take it slow and steady on the taper and you won’t even realize it’s happening. I Didn’t feel a thing.
Thanks, I been on for a while and I am to the point where I am ready to be completely off. I'm with you, it saved my life and gave me a life. I just feel like it has served its purpose and it's time to start the process of coming off.
Agreed. Shoot me a PM if you ever wanna talk about how I got off. we’re all different but I can at least tell ya what I did if it’ll help. Good luck brother.
I sent you a FR if you don't mind, I had a question regarding this topic
I don’t mind at all. FR accepted
Thanks, I will do that. I'm always open to advice and help, that's for sure.