Low libido maybe E2 crash?
So I am on 8th week of Test e 500mg/week first 6 weeks into I did 50mg/day anadrol and Deca 1st week aswell on 200mg, but stopped quite fast, since I had no Cabers home that time and was afraid of sides. During whole cycle I have done Adex .5mg E4D.
My issue is that my libido is kinda wierd, I can get semi hard on but not maintain and get fully erection on, feels like its kind of soft all the time, and when I do it myself I can get to climax but still no fully erection, sorry for the language. When I start to have sex I lose it like right after we got started.
This is my 2nd cycle with Test-e included and on the 1st cycle I had no problems at all, I was litteraly horny all the time, until I started PCT. But I did not use any AI during whole cycle that time. 12 weeks of Teste 500mg/week.
At week 2-3 of this cycle my libido started to fall, and I´ve had headache few times.
My appetite is fine, so is my training and still getting some decent pumps and doing improvements.
I´ve done Cabers for 2 weeks now of .25mg/week.
Even when I use viagra it dosnt help.
I got my bloods done last week, and will have answer soon enough.
I stopped Adex from friday, since I read that it could be causing the problem.
Edit: I have gotten a lot of pimples lately, which started from 5-6th week.
I consider starting HcG, to raise the size of testes but not sure if that is too late already.
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BatmannSpeak to a intelligent endo. you can always walk into a hospital or clinic with your blood work to discuss any issues free of charge believe it or not
TigerwoodzFSH 4,3 (1-15) iu/l
LH 7,4 (1,5-10,5) iu/l
Prolactin 301 (64-256) × 10-3 IU/L
Free test 25,5 (10,3-27,4) nmol/l or 735 in ng/dl
Estradiol 0,19 (<0,2) nmol/l or 5.48 in ng/dl
This is my new bloods from yesterday.
Status: I can have sex, still not as it was before and not that often.
Where should I go from here, all help appreciated!
Where do you think you should go?
What do you see? Anything sticking out??
(You should be well researched by now dude)
TigerwoodzUPDATE So I finally got the lab tests.
( ) is normal range area.
FSH 0,2 (1-15)
LH 0,2 (1,5-10,5)
Prolactin 37 (64-256)
Free test 45,1 (10,3-27,4)
Estradiol 0,11 (<0,2) E2 seems to be within normal area.
SHBG 6,1 (24-77) Way under
is the e2 measurement in pg/ml?
what is your bodyfat % (please be honest) - how is your insulin sensitivity?
TigerwoodzE2 is nmol/L NOTE in ng/dl its 33.
My bodyfat is between 16-21% Prob in the high end.
Insulin sensitivity?
(I asked about insulin resistance [how easily do you put fat on or keep fat] and bf % as it is likely contributing to the issues)
By my calculation... .11nmol/L is equal to 18.61 pg/ml (please confirm???)
A fella of your age without a large amount of bodyfat should naturally be somewhere in the range of 25-30PG/ML
So, your Estro is low, likely driven down by the adex but probably recovering now... don't panic, keep the faith, prepare to get another test in a week or 2 to observe an upward trend hopefully
Also your prolactin is low which can also result in ED issues too (get some, not too much, zinc into you)
And higher bodyfat %'s and insulin resistance will exacerbate this
You have a few issues to address.
1. Drop the caber (don't take compounds just for the sake of it)
2. Stay off the adex until your estro rebounds - you need more bloods to determine this. Then learn how to properly introduce an ai and appropriate dosing/schedule
3. Drop the bf% before you cycle next time, and learn about cyclical bulking and nutrition
4. Learn how to research what you are doing, you've made several mistakes that have directly caused your issues
As you've made these mistakes, I guess you might also have a once weekly injection schedule? It should be biweekly...
TigerwoodzI am eating alot in this bulking cycle. I put on fat easy and keep fat just as easy, with that said I haven´t done any cuts yet, which were my next step.
Your calculation from nmol>pg/ml is correct. From my lab tests, it shows my E2 is in the normal area.
But you say its under normal area?
Zinc it self will increase prolactin? I took cabers just incase of the Deca, I´ll stop Cabers now. ( I took Cabers because I read threads who said it dosnt hurt to take it, and could increase libido somehow).
Just to recap.
So you are saying my E2 is low.
My Prolactin is low and Cabers running it even lower to the dirt.
And my BF itself makes it alot worse to work with.
Anyhow, I do have few questions, do I have to worry about SHBG, FSH, LH, since they all 3 seems to be way under the normal area.
I just ordered HCG, Clomid and Nolva. Actually some Aromasin also incase.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/the-best-pct...
This thread lead me to the HCG use, tho many are against it.
Sorry, I wasn't clear... zinc rather than caber if you are worried about prolactin. However as yours is now low, just ditch the caber. Caber can destroy your libido via (extremely) low prolactin. Also, the threads you read on caber, deca (or tren = 19 nors) are nonsense in my opinion.
Anyways, for now, go on your bloods evidence
1.ditch the caber
2.Yes e2 is low ( http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Ideal_Estradiol_Libido_Erectile.aspx )
3.Yes bf% will effect all pf this and make things worse
Watch out for HCG man, its hard to control erection issues with it. I use it religeously, but you need to control it and cycle it within the cycle to avoid ED issues - I dont think it is a great idea for you right now, but if you are set on it, only use it if e2 is right, and only use it just ahead of PCT to ignite the old diesel engines back to life
FSH/LH - to be expected, as you are shut down. this will change during pct
Clomid and Nolva... I can't believe you didnt have this already?!
Aromasin - do not take this (as per adex) unless you need to
SHBG - this is generally lower when free test is higher. I would like to see your total test levels too though - if you train hard this should actually rise, if you are leaner this will rise - but for now your increase in test will have lowered it. I'd not be overly concerned right now, but would focus on losing bodyfat after your cycle/pct etc.
Fella, you will learn a lot from this cycle, but you have done a lot of things backwards
TigerwoodzAlright, I ditched the caber already.
Considering the thread you linked mine is ALMOST within the low end of normal area. Is that much of a deal? Or maybe mine was in the high end from the nature side, if thats what you are thinkin?
I´ll ditch the HcG aswell, was abit skeptical about it anyways.
I got little leftovers for last cycle of Clomid/Nolva and my source usually delivers pretty quick.
IF I should do another cycle in the future, not sure if I dare at this point. Would you suggest me to use Aromasin instead of Adex? I read it´s easier to control/dose since you have to dose it ED and the half life isnt that long.
So I dont really have to worry about the FSH/LH/SHBG since it will automatic rise doing the PCT?
PCT I plan is 100/100/50/50 Clomid & 40/40/20/20 Nolva. This should be standard PCT?
yes you see everyone is different, a range is literally that and only that; a range. its not set in stone.
this is why off cycle bloods are important, to know what your normal is
If I were you, I would extend that PCT
4 weeks is not enough
I would, considering your situation, run for 6 weeks or so
Before you consider another cycle, you need to do 1 thing only.... a hell of a lot of research
TigerwoodzI see.
How would your PCT look in my case for 6 weeks?
I am well aware of that now, thougt I´d done enough, clearly not.
I do really appreciate the time you spend helping me out here, thanks!
you have symptoms of both high and low estro
can you expedite the bloods?
It is likely your estro is crashed and will take a couple of weeks to restore, you need those bloods asap though
TigerwoodzAfter my research it shows symptoms of both aswell.
I cant do that sadly, will have to wait it out.
Couple of weeks even tho I got adex to adjust with? I am doing 500mg/week of test and have 3-4 weeks left of cycle. Thing is, if I stop now I´ll never know if I can adjust the E2 by myself with Adex. But on the other hand, maybe its better and it will work out itself?
Thanks for your help.
Well, technically you have adjusted by stopping
See how you feel moving forward, be sure to hydrate as much as you can - this is the reason for the sore joints, the body wont retain water when estro is too low, but first thing to go will be joint pain most likely, as for libido, it will bounce back
Chalk this up to experience, adex can be an easy compound to overdose, and can be difficult to dial in
I dropped it for aromasin which has a short half life and is therefore easier to play with
I would expect your estro may rebound somewhat by the time you get bloods (should be approx 2 weeks then from the time you quit adex??)
TigerwoodzSo this is kind of normal when having low estro and stopping AI? 2 weeks it takes to rebound after stop?
TigerwoodzUpdate
I have been off AI (Adex) for 6 days now. I am feeling terrible, no erection at all, can hardly manage it myself and my sperm count is very very low.
I have the last 3 days had a constant headache, even with analgesic´s it only removes the pain for several hours and it comes back again, same after a full nights sleep.
My joints aint feeling that well tho, especially my legs. I can barely go to squad position 90degrees without I feel they tempt to cramp and my body is overheating due to nothing.
Something is telling me that my E2 was high before and even higher now when I have stopped the AI.
I should be having bloods in approx 5 days.
I've crashed my estrogen my very first cycle had extreme joint pain from it, and I expierenced low libido too. Dropping the ai for a period should bounce u back but bloods before during after best way to keep tabs on yourself. I wonder if the little deca u ran early on may be kicking and doing something just food for thought. But again bloods will tell more I'm no doctor just an enthusiast. May even be elevated estro from a bad ai.
TigerwoodzExactly for how long a period did it take for you to bounce it back? And what AI did you use, Adex aswell and on what dose?
Doubt the 300mg total of deca would do that big a harm, even got my cabers later on when the effect really should be taken in due to half life.
2 weeks roughly to bounce back. I dropped my ai completely for 3 weeks then started it back up at a super low dose. I was running adex at the time
I just crashed my estrogen recently! I broke out like crazy and couldn't keep an erection for shit! Took a few weeks to feel better. That's just me though. I break out worse with low estrogen!
TigerwoodzWhat did you do to help it out? Dropped AI or lower dose?
Bloods. Only way to know.
RustyhookerWhy be dumb and guess? Go get bloodwork. Anyone suggesting otherwise is a fool
TigerwoodzAs described I am currently waiting for bloods which I will have the next week. Asking here if anyone´s been in a similar situation and what they´ve done to make it better, so when I get my bloods back, I will have an idea what to go for.
Im going to say your estro is high libido issues and acne my guess is your numbers are way up.
Are you using the same lab and batch as your last cycle don't say the lab name just curious if the change in brand brought this on or even a different batch
TigerwoodzLets say its high E2 and I have now stopped using AI. Should the E2 raise even more or will there be some kind of rebound, trying to establish it to lower it down, or should I try with Adex .5 E2D? Any opinions is useful in this case.
I did actually change lab, the first I bhougt from a source in here. The currently one is the leading product of all the athletes in my country, kinda expensive aswell. All from my gym is using and none of them experiences the same as I do. Guess we all react differently on it.
Everyone's body definitely will react different to all compounds. Me saying high estro is only a guess. I get acne and libido issues with high estro. You could be getting it from low estro. The only solid way to tell is through blood work. Once you have that then you know exactly what to adjust and how. Once you have the blood work post it up it will definitely help everyone help you better.
TigerwoodzAlright. But if I am not taking any AI my E2 will be high and if I take too much AI my E2 will be low, am I correct on this?
Thanks for replying tho.
Exactly correct thats where the blood work comes in because you can see if you have low or crashed estro slow down on the adex. If your estro is high start using the adex a little more. It really takes alot to get your numbers perfect.
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Get the female hormone panel it will tell you what you need to know. Its also only around 60$ other tests are in the 100s
Crashed estro
you need estro for libido
forget about caber and control your estro properly
dont just take compounds for the sake of it
If you was fine without an AI on your last cycle what made you add it in so early on this cycle buddy? Just curious
I would say it's probably the adex causing it. Did you start the adex from day one or did you wait a few weeks until you added it in. I keep it on hand but only use if needed due to this very reason. E2 could be pretty low. Headaches could have been caused due to high BP from the adrol. Cant be sure until bloods come back. I'd stay off the adex and see if that starts everything back up.
TigerwoodzI did take Adex for precaution incase of gyno, and water retention. I waited 2 weeks until I started with the adex. I will stay off Adex now for a week or 2 to see whats happening.
Ahh OK mate i see. I keep it on hand but only use if needed as estro is extremely important to the body for building muscle, lubrication of the joints and even increase in igf1. It's hard to say what to do at the moment until bloods come back.
Sounds like high e2 or prolactin to me not low. When my prolactin was high my dick did the same thing you describing but it is kinda like that with high estrogen e4d seams long time in between get bloods done I bet it to high not to low even when my e is crashed I have massive rock hard ones that stay
TigerwoodzI have been on Cabers for 2½ week now, so it should be fully working, and with that amount of Deca it shouldnt be that causing it? I started with Adex .5 E3D/2 times a week since 2nd week of cycle (4 pins of test). The 7th week I did .25mg E4D to either see if too high or too low, nothing changed, maybe I should have given a little longer time with that dosage. But now I´ll try 1-2 weeks totally off Adex and see whats happening.
All of my research says that either high or low E2 could be causing the lack of libido, so its all a guessing game until bloods is done it seems.
Maybe you need a new girlfriend. It happens, you get tired of the same chick regardless of how hot she is. Don't matter how hot she is, somebuddy somewhere is sick of that girl
TigerwoodzDoubt that mate, just found her when I got these symptoms!
Better sort it out or might not have her long :o