Test & Tren post cycle HCG and PCT
Hi guys,
New to posting on here, but done three cycles so far, over the last few years.
Some stats;
Age: 30 years
Weight: 215 lbs
BF: 18%
Training: Usually three times per week (EOD, but do end up taking weekends off, due to busy work schedule and commitments).
Food: Usually 3,800 kcals on cycle and extra whenever i can fit more food with time and work.
1st cycle: Test (500mg) 12 weeks
2nd cycle: Test(500mg) 12 weeks (of which last 5 weeks was low tren hex to see how i reacted (would have been wiser to go with ace, but took the risk).
3rd cycle and current:
16 weeks; Test Sustanon (500mg p week) + Tren hex by Alpha pharma (267.75 (eod amp of 76.5mg)).
Reason this cycle has stretched to 16 weeks, gear was fake at start for around 3 weeks. I've probably over did it with a week or two, feel dumb for it, but it's done and i need to concentrate on retaining with what i've gained and make my PCT better this time round.
So...
In the past I've ran nolva and arimidex for 4 week PCT's with off the shelf test boosters. Seemed to have done the trick and lost minimal as my weight has stayed stable, maybe lost a bit off previous cycles, but I've always managed to stay at 208 lbs minimum.
Now this cycle has been okay, nothing great, food is not an issue, but making time to eat my food problematic at times with busy schedules, so do feel i could have done way better.
I'm worried that Tren has probably most likely shut me down hard. I felt it last cycle, was different to recovering just from test cycle. I managed tmbut it had me up and down like a yoyo on PCT, sore heads mood depression and lazy lethargic, but i pushed through. Got ED last time too but it f*cked off after a month or so.
Luckily, I've had no issues with gyno, so don't take ai's on cycles, but do have them on hand. Got caber too.
Currently have;
Nolva
Clomid
Aromasin (1st time as prev cycles i used arimidex, but having read up more about the properties it seems that aromasin actually deactivates the enzymes and prevents rebound. So going to try this one).
Now the main question (do apologise for the long ass post);
HCG - SHOULD I OR SHOULD I NOT?
Never used HCG before, but this cycle feels like ive been on forever, so want to make sure i take best route for recovery. More the gains and the natural test coming back on and lh and fsh coming online properly.
Only thing that puts me off is gyno possibility from HCG... i know ai on hand can help but nice to keep away from gyno wherever i can when ive not experienced it before.
So HCG to use or not and any other input or from experience will be highly appreciated folks.
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Okay Dacky,
I wouldn't have posted if I was just going to keep continuing using it forever. From the advice given Tren was dropped at that time, i just eased off with test with few amps that were remaining. I did not fancy going through PCT during Christmas and new year either, that is all Plus, I could not get HCG as it was out of stock.
Admit I've as per instructions, but it wasn't possible either at that time.
To be honest I was looking for a reply, and got just that, guess the greed and addiction of retaining what I have with fear that I may lose muscle, I had this thought in my head.
Still glad I've asked. As I probably would have been more of a tit and just went along with the test cycle.
Your advice is not wasted nor your time, will do that and as per your plan for PCT.
Thanks Dacky
I'm going to most likely get flamed for this.
With summer not too far, can I do a test only cutting cycle, even if it's low dose? I've been running on just Test Sust, tren was dropped when I posted and got advice in December.
Will keep diet strict and cardio and training properly throughout and then do PCT after all this. Rather than doing it now?
If i do the above, I will happily not go back on AAS for a good year or two.
So you took none of the advise we gave you and instead continued to run a cycle and now you've come on here and asking for a cosinger to continue to extend your never ending cycle with a promise of then stopping for a year or two. Who are you trying to convince.
Where I come from they have a word for guys like you....addicts. Get off the gear and get some help. No one and I mean no one here is going to validate this junkie plan of yours. So yeah you're getting flamed.
Oh boy. You're way out of your depth on this one and now you're feeling it. I will not go into the fact that this cycle is unnecessary given your stats and experience. NEVER start a cycle without knowing exactly how your PCT will go and have everything on hand. The reason for this is you could need to abort your cycle early and of course you don't want to be having the experience you're having right now.
Now that I've got the lecture out of the way let's see if we can get you squared away.
Good luck it will probably be a bit of a bumpy ride.
Not taken anything at all after following the advice above. It's been over 1 year now, still suffering and not 100%. Thought I'd ask on here if it's due to this I am feeling downright depressed? Just feel depressed and if there's no help whatever I try. Its affecting me at work and my professional exams I need to complete.
Just have no motivation and no happiness at all and feel a waste of space. Was never like this, in my head it keeps coming back whether its because of this?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
What does your current blood work say?
I'm in the UK Dacky, Docs wont give specific blood details, just check if everything looks okay and tell you all looks fine. I complained about not feeling right, lethargic and down, and insisted on a blood check back in September.
I was told everything looks 'normal' with a quick mention of thyroid, liver etc (only because I asked what exactly has been checked) whilst he scanned his screen with whatever results he had requested.
I just constantly feel negative and constantly down, which over the last three months is just getting worse and worse
First step is to get you the right blood work. If you are in or near London then PM me and I will put you in touch with a lab to do your tests directly. If you are not in or near London then this is what you need to do: https://www.medichecks.com/hormone-tests/sports-hormone-check-plus
Also please tell me exactly the PCT regime you followed after we last spoke a year ago in detail noting if you used pharmaceutical grade product or ugl.
Get the blood work and we go from there. Without it I can’t help you.
Youre a generous man Dacky +
Thanks Dacky,
Not close to London, so will need to get it sorted through the link you've given me. Gives me some hope thanks.
I followed as per the post last year, only thing was I didn't stop altogether in December, I did 2 weeks of test to come off slowly, if I can remember correctly. Pretty sure by February 2017 I was following what you had advised in your post.
HCG was Organon pregnyl and as far as I can remember. Clomid was Serpafar. Aromasin was Aromex by Alpha Pharma. Test was Alpha Pharma. Tren was mostly Alpha Pharma HEX.
Stop everything now
Wait one week then at the start of week 2 blast HCG at 1000IU EOD until the end of week 3 edit: run aro at 6.25mg ED here.
Start of week 4 start clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 and aro at 6.25mg ED
Check blood work after 8 weeks following the end of PCT.
Good luck it will probably be a bit of a bumpy ride.
Ok. Get the blood work done and we go from there. Let me know when you have results and we can discuss.
Thank you Dacky.
Obviously speaking to you guys i'm now realising that I'm not clued up as I though I was... there was me thinking I knew what I was doing with the stuff and only thing I didnt have was HCG. Had bought rest of ancilliries like Aromasin, Nolva, Clomid and Caber and had them on hand.
Was going to do another test cycle 6-7 months down the line, but now thinking I'm going to stay out this game for a year or so and see how i get on with lowering BF and good doeting before touching AAS anytime soon.
Definitely 6.25mg ED of aromasin? Just want to make sure as it seems high.
Good idea. No reason why you can't get your BF down to 10% with just diet alone. That way when you run a cycle and bulk you can really make it count. As to the aromasin its normally run from 6.25mg up to 25mg ED. Adex is run at 0.25mg e3d to ed. Adex and aro are two different AI's with different mechanisms of approach. I wouldn't used adex here or if it's all I had I'd only use it while on the HCG as a low dose of 0.25mg E3D.
Perfect Dacky.
Makes sense, had arimidex and aromasin confused then. It's the adex that was 0.25mg which was ringing a bell.and making the aromasin dosage look high.
Yeh, its a downer on the day, feeling that I've ruined so much cash over last two cycles over food and gear. But learn the hard way. Tbh, it's pissing me kff more that the person I've listened to has been low bf and sox pack etc with gear experience before. His own bf is high at the moment prob 18-20% but he said its fine to use the gear and deal with the fat later... dodnt want to go with this at first but yeh managed to trust him and follow his advice. Learned the hard way.
Will bring BF down to around the 10%, not touch AAS till then, however long that may take.
I wouldn't freak out too much about it fella. I mean at 215lb and 18% you've probably got an ok base there. So not all is lost. But take your time reducing your BF. Dropping 17lb of fat and retaining muscle should see you looking and feeling pretty solid at around 190 to 200lb. Then primed to start a cycle. Nothing wrong really with the way you've gone about it but cycles of tren are just not needed right now. Good plan and +2 for listening to advice.
You have too many problems to list or even begin giving you feedback. With all due respect, appears that you have no idea what you're doing...and have done very little if any research. You should probably forget everything you think you know, and start all over again. Go back to basics. K.I.S.S. - keep it simple. May be harsh, but it's your fault with this rambling post; you have too many issues to list.
Without sounding like an idiot, appreciate the input, but I need, and have asked for help for the best way forward for PCT and recovery.
Yes, the original post is all over the place, but though i'd give as much info as possible, without coming across as a c*nt and just asking for advice on hand.
I want to know if HCG should be used? I haven't ran it during cycle, but would iclude in post cycle if i get some sound advice.
Last pin of tren/test combo will be end of this week, so really want to know if i should get the HCG quickly or just stick.to plain old "simple" clomid and nolva protocol woth aromasin.
Please do enlighten me when you say I have "no idea" what I'm doing.
That's why im hear asking for input and help as i need it.