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Hello,
I'm currently on my 5th week of a test e run(first cycle).
I was informed that around week 5 I would be at my peak levels of test and e2, unless certain variables changed.
My Test was >1500 and my e2 was 68. I'm going to start an AI to get the e2 down a little bit as I'm having some sore nipples and bloating.
My question is this. The AI I'm taking is aromasin. It's shown to have a half life in men at 9 hours. I did the calculation and that means it will reach it's peak level(steady state) around day 5.
Let's say after taking the Aromasin for 5 days, my e2 drops down to 25. Will I then be able to assume it should stay at that same level for the duration of the cycle if my test dosages and aromasin dosages are the same because all steady levels have been met?
Obviously, I can see it fluctuating a little of course, but as far as the generality of it all goes?
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Did you get pre cycle bloods?....if so , what is your natty e2 levels? ....people will have have different natty Estro levels natty, so when estro rises, from the additional test, ( or other aas ), the sensitivity to the estro rise is seen.....example:...guy a has a natty estro level of 20, starts a test cycle of 600mg/wk, gets bloods done wk 6 and has estro level of 60 along with side effects , aka sore nips, libido issues etc, ....his estro levels r 3x the normal level and his body is reacting accordingly
Guy b has a natty estro level of 35...same cycle and wk 6 bloods show estro level of 70, feels great, no sides etc....his estro is 2x the normal level
This is where all the blood work and ai dose comes into play to get "dialed " in....guy a may need a greater amount of ai than guy b to fight off the sides from high estro, ....
Sorry for my rambling and this is probly as clear as a cup of coffee, but bottom line is pre, mid cycle, post ploodwork is vital to getting "dialed " in ....
I did get pre cycle bloods. My test was 365 and my e2 was <5. I have no idea why my e2 was that low. I had done a cutting cycle with andros and arimstane about 3-4 months earlier. After 4 weeks of 400mg of test, I'm at >1500 test and 68 e2. So I'm guessing you're right, it's not about absolute, but about my e2 multiplying by 13x on cycle so far. I'm going to continue taking 6.25mg of aromasin daily with raloxifene at 60mg daily and then get my bloods done again in a few weeks and see where I'm at.
Obviously there is a much more scientific explanation on estro conversion and how to control while on cycle, however I'll leave it up to you on further researching this....i merely wanted to show some basic examples of how important blood work is ....+1 sir
This is my first run. I'm taking 500mg of test. I've put on about 10lbs in 5 weeks. I'm gyno prone on one side and definitely have some lumps(2) forming. I just bought some raloxifene because I can't take Tamoxifen(Paxil Interaction).
It is Pharma grade aromasin.
I was taking only 6.25mg of aromasin for the past 5 days after seeing my e2 levels at 68. So I'm guessing e2 is dropping after those 5 days, but now I'm feeling shitty and tired.. so I'm thinking of just letting my e2 do what it does on the 500mg of test and then just letting the raloxifene take course on the gyno.
I guess I could always just do like 6.25mg of aromasin eod just to keep e2 at a "decent" level and then continue taking the 60mg of raloxifene. I was also planning on taking the aromasin throughout the pct with my clomid/torem.
What's your thoughts?
I think you are going to be in a world of hurt just letting your estro run wild. You need to get it dialed in and take the ralox if you want to have any hope of stopping and getting rid of that gyno.
68 for e2 is nothing to worry about, you need estro for strength and power, if it was me, id use nolvadex to fuck the gyno off, then get bloods again in another 3 weeks, then adjust accordingly, if it hasnt severely risen you could wait untill pct for your ai, varies person to person but 68 is nothing.
As far as advice I can't help you there. Other guys have more experience with what to do with those levels but i can definitely tell you not to use 12.5mg of aromasin twice a day.
can you please give your testosterone dose and if youre using pharma grade aromasin? (don't list the manufacturer name!)
I run 12.5mg Exe (aromasin) twice per day.
What dose are you planning and are you splitting?
answer to your question: yes, once you've reached peak levels you should level out.
I bet your joints sounds like a little kid playing with bubble wrap.
my guess is he's running a crap product. that much real aromasin would make you miserable. unless hes running retard boston llyod doses, which in case hed have so much free floating hormones and hormone conversions, hed still be miserable.
Ace VenturaMaybe his body don't respond well to aromasin. Or maybe his body aromatizes shit at a higher rate
Might as well run letro if he's running boston lloyd dosages. It'll save him money in the long run. Could probably run 1.25mg of pharma letro and have less issues than 25 mg ed of aromasin. Probably research chemicals suspended in liquid.
You do realize 25mg a day is nothing right? Some guys are given 25mg a day for trt purposes. If you don't dial in your dose then yes it could be too much but that's why you HAVE to take bloods if you take aromasin no questions asked.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-you...
No I didn't realize that I figured that was a lot. I can't even see how that'd be affordable even through a doctor with insurance. I have friends who buy it like that and they say it costs a lot of money even with their insurance on trt. But no I didn't realize that.
I've read your article before which is why i decided in my next cycle way down the line I will be doing 6.25 ed and then getting bloods done. I found it to be very informative but still think 25mg ed is a lot.
It depends on each individual. That's why you draw bloods because I might need 12.5 a day and you might need 6.25. Or you might need the full 25. Make sure you take the full 25 a day for 7-10 days then draw bloods and see where you are at. Then the dial in fun begins. I took 12.5 a day and I was at 34 for my E2 which made me still feel good and it was an optimal draw. Any higher I cried and any lower I cried in the bedroom.
Sorry for all the replies. What are your thoughts on e2 being higher for the ratio? Don't you think for the mind/body that the test/e2 ratio means something more than just absolute e2 levels?
I started my cycle at 365 test and <5 e2. Do you think that it's at all important to keep a similar "ratio" while on cycle and not only worry about the e2 level itself?
Irish,
When do you suggest dialing in? It would be very hard to just do the first 10 days of the test cycle because your test levels won't peak until week 4-6 on test e.
At my point in the cycle, I can see this making sense, because I'm 5 weeks in and then after taking my e2 for 7-10 days, I should have a nice dialed in amount where my e2 levels are at WITH this peaked level of test. What are your thoughts?
You are dialing in your AI, not your test. Usually dialing it in happens after 4-5 weeks on a cycle. You take an AI for 7-10 straight days then you do your blood test and see where you are at. I am only saying this by following the studies of AI in men not on cycle. It might be a lower dose or higher, not known til bloods
Gotcha, so you don't advise starting an AI until the test peaks at week 4 or 5? Then once test peaks, start and AI at maybe 12.5mg ed or twice daily, then after 10 days, get your blood levels checked. If you're at say 30, then bingo. If you're lower or higher, then +/- a few mg on the ai?
I suggest getting a blood test before starting a cycle. That way you can see where your current levels are so that you can either delay or start right with your cycle an ai.
I'm very prone to gyno so I'm thinking my aromatization rate is pretty high. 2 weeks into using test e and my nipples get sensitive. That's how I know it's kicked in. Cyp usually takes twice as long for me to have issues.
I'm gyno prone as well. What causes the gyno though? Is it how fast the e2 levels rise or the actual e2 level being high. I was only at 68 and my gyno was getting bad. Is it because I shot up from levels of <5 to 68 within only 4 weeks?
It's just confusing, because some guys can have e2 at 150 and not have gyno. Just like there is aromatization from test to e2, there has to be some % of e2 translating to gyno as well... Just a tough process to see how your body works based on the amount of ai to use, but then also using a serm to watch the gyno as well.
although some will argue, I don't think letro really has a place. I think its nasty shit and is likely to cause serious issues, more than what it would be worth using. If you need to dose letro, in my opinion, you need to be consider dropping your test dose. Its rare that people will aromatize at such a high and fast rate from typical protocols that would really necessitate letro.
bigmurphI agree but letrozole has its place around a gram a wk of test and for gyno. I think a gram a wk should only be for those making money off of there bodies. I know you would have to pay me to pump all that gear.
I agree however given the current advice being given and the dosages that were recommended I mean I can't imagine the results being much worse.
that's a hell of a lot of aromasin.... are you using pharma grade? research chemicals? whats your dose of test? this is a very large dose to suggest for someone else, especially since you don't even know what his dose is.....