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Fainting When Pinning - Advice Requested

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UPDATE: Two successful glute injections later with minimal PIP. Only difference I can think of is that I did both about half an hour after a big meal (cheat meal). Also went a lot slower and watched my breathing. I find having something I'm listening to - movie, YouTube video playing in background etc - on at the time also helps. Didn't really feel faint from either of them but found that going slower allowed me to be calmer so I'd say it was a combination of that and a big meal prior that really helped.

Anyway cheers to people who gave me advice on here - just shows - no need to call it a day just because you mess up one of your first pins.

EDIT: Just to clarify. When I pinned the second time then fell back on the bed I didn't pass out. I just lay back on the bed - but obviously felt delirious from having passed out during first inj. attempt.

Because I'm a very silly boy I went to pin this morning an wound up fainting. Had just aspirated, got air, went to inject (left glute) and then the next thing I know I'm coming round on my ass in the corner of my room with the needle hanging out my backside. I assume that seeing as the needle was still in my glute when I came round I did manage to inject half the barrel. Presumably I didn't lose any?

I got up removed it and managed to inject the other 1ml (of the 2ml 500mg test e per week injections I'm on) with a fresh needle in my other glute before taking it out and falling back on my bed.

The only reason I can think is that I didn't have anything to eat that morning and might have been a bit dehydrated. I've always hated needles and often felt faint when pinning but have never full blown passed out before. My vision was very spotty - like it is just after you look into a bright light - for about half an hour and very weak.

My head does ache though and my neck hurts, although I think this is just because I hit my head on the cupboard on the way down presumably - I came to with my head resting in the corner against the wall/cupboard.

Anyway -3 questions:

  1. Does this all sound alright - just a standard fainting or something more serious?

  2. Presumably I still got the full 500mg into the muscle?

  3. What can I do to prevent this in the future. I can't get someone else to inject me. I had music playing (but it wasn't calming music). People have written about breathing before but I don't understand quite what they mean so if someone could expand on that that would be great?

Btw Mods wasn't sure if this belonged here or in "general steroid discussion" - so apologies if I got it wrong. I'm a newbie here.

Makwa's picture

I am thinking that pinning might not be your forte'. You are lucky you haven't seriously hurt yourself or busted off a needle inside of you. If I passed out during a pin, I wouldn't be pinning anymore.

Renaissance1990's picture

I know it's not my forté. That's why I'm here asking for advice. This is my second cycle but my first was all administered by my (now ex) missus. So this was my second time pinning myself and my first time passing out.

IrishMack's picture

Face the music now before you hurt yourself. You are not able to pin and there is nothing we can do to help you. Maybe a therapist can help you get over the fear. I can say take the bra and panties off and be a man but that will not change anything and make me look like an asshole. I am though but for your sake I won't.

Renaissance1990's picture

This is my second time pinning myself mate. I'm no expert but from speaking to loads of people these sort of stories are not at all uncommon with people pinning for the first few times.

As for your second attempt to slag me off and tell me 'man up' - I think that says more about you and your insecurities than it does me. I get it - you're good with needles. Well done.

If I was a girl I wouldn't be pinning I'd be on dbol only like loads of people do. So if you haven't got anything constructive to add then tara mate!

IrishMack's picture

My only insecurity I have in my life is not being a millionairre, everything else is where I want it to be. I gave you my advice and its not my problem anymore that the truth sucks. I just hope for your sake you dont hurt yourself. Have you ever had to take a broken needle out of your body? My wife had to have surgery when she fell on a sewing needle. The needle moves in your body without your control and can cause serious harm. After 1 hour it moved a half an inch and she didn't even move for that hour. Good luck!

Makwa's picture

One time could be a fluke. But back to back passouts, I'd be done with it and only have someone else pin me so I don't end up seriously hurt.

Renaissance1990's picture

It was once - see my earlier response mate

Renaissance1990's picture

Second time wasn't a pass out - sorry didn't make that clear in my original post so have edited it. What do you think about lying down for my next inj.? I know everyone reccomends against it but surely it's the safest bet for me.

I'm a bit apprehensive about pinning next week but I'm not quitting at the first hurdle.

Makwa's picture

Pin your delts. I think that might be safer and if you start feeling woozy pull out so don't end up busting a needle off in you.

Renaissance1990's picture

IWhat about the quads? Leg out straight while sitting on my bed and then if anything happens next pin it's extremely ublikely I'm in danger of snapping a needle or hitting anything on the way down? Or are quads a bit heavy for a beginner?

Makwa's picture

If you are lean enough, go with a 27g 1/2" needle to the delt. Much less intimidating and this may help prevent you from fainting. Best to get someone else to pin you though if you chose to go down that path. I just see to much potential for you hurting yourself if you are self-pinning. Yeah, we all get a little sweaty with our first few pins, but passing out is something all-together different.

iFit's picture

You are overthinking it. Google "vasovagal response" and here are some tips to alleviate: https://www.anxietybc.com/adults/applied-tension-technique-people-who-fa...

Renaissance1990's picture

Yeah this is first pin in that glute. Cheers mate

Renaissance1990's picture

Cheers mate will do. Out of interest what do you think is the best position for me to pin in. I'm considering quads ATM just because should anything happen if I'm sitting down I can just fall back 0 chance of hitting myself or snapping needle. And keep rotating quads until I get used to pinning.

Goose24's picture

Oh I see your "26"

This is why chilrdren should NOT be playing with steroids. My only advice is to do your pct and come off and never do AAS ever again.

Renaissance1990's picture

Why "26" in inverted commas? I thought the whole point of this forum to an extent is to give people advice who aren't as clued up as others. I don't see why you feel the need to have a dig. Everyone here was a beginner at some point.

IrishMack's picture

See his point. You put a needle in your buttock and pass out. You then go to the other cheek and pass out again. I NEVER passed out and I was scared shitless of needles. There are a lot of people like me who hate needles but dont even drop sweat when injecting. You just dont have what it takes my man or should I say my girl? If you cant stab a needle in you without fainting then you have a very long ride ahead of you in life. No offense but I would get a blood test and see how high your total estrodial is. I have a feeling either you have low test or an urge to wear womens underwear when you leave your house. Are you picking up what im putting down?

Renaissance1990's picture

I only passed out once. I have done a cycle before (all administered by someone else while I looked away though), and pinned for the first time myself last week fine (only felt a bit lightheaded and had minimal PIP). That's why I mentioned having not eaten and being dehydrated because I thought it might be something to do with that.

I don't have low test. As for wearing women's underwear - what I get up to on a Friday night is none of your business my Mick friend!

IrishMack's picture

He stated when he did the other side he injected as fast as he could before falling back on his bed, sounds to me like passing out. I guess if I tried to push a full ml in me as fast as I could I would have problems too. You are injecting a foreign substance into a muscle fiber group, therefore pushing in the medicine as fast as you can will cause trauma and massive pip. I just dont think this lifestyle is for the OP and I mean using aas. He can still train and eat right, just no needles.

Renaissance1990's picture

With respect I'm not going to quit two weeks into a first time cycle self administering like a wimp. Who here pinned perfectly the first time?

Also with regards the second inj. I changed the needle, aspirated and injected - so it wasn't some mad rush.

How fast would you generally inject into yourself per ml and do you vary it with different substances?

IrishMack's picture

Then my insults worked to a degree, good. Get angry if you have to or just not even think about it. If you start thinking you will hesitate. Once its in the hard part is over.

You take as much time as you need, its not a race to get it in, some oils will flow very quick and others like molasses. General rule is at minimum 1-2 minutes at a slow pace 3-5 is just as well. If you start to feel pain while injecting and I mean real pain, pull the needle out and move to another spot as you are hitting a nerve.

Renaissance1990's picture

If I go at that pace do you reckon I might as well get a higher gauge needle too? And where do you stand on heating up the barrel before pinning? Also re heating up/massaging or slapping the muscle?

IrishMack's picture

Warm the oil with your body temp, hold it in your hand or put it between your pants and skin for about 10 minutes. You can use a 25 gauge 3ml and be fine BUT you better pull the needle out if you feel dizzy because that size can break easily. Depending how lean you are and where you pin is the neelde size come into play. You need 1-1/2" for the glutes and 1" for delts and quad as long as your quad is lean, if not use 1-5/8 for quad. Go to spotinjections.com and they have pictures to show where to pin.

Renaissance1990's picture

Thanks

Renaissance1990's picture

Only once - should have made it clearer so have added an edit at the top of the original post.

Renaissance1990's picture

Haha I guess I was lucky with my previous partner. Did them all for me. Miniminsl pip. Barely ever any blood. Now where did I put her phone number...lol

Renaissance1990's picture

Next two pins went fine - 0 PIP. Did both in glute but went slower, made sure to keep breathing and had a big meal before. Thanks for the advice! Cheers