lets play a game and educate (directed to newer members or guys that need cycle experience)
Ok folks this is geared to the new members I am going to lay out a simple first time cycle but there could be some problems with it... THERE WILL BE NO PCT THIS TIME JUST FOCUSING ON CYCLE . if you think you see a problem reply what it is how you would correct it and lets have fun.. I will respond once we get some reply's and I WILL NOT TOLLERATE ANY MEMBER BASHING ANOTHERE HERE ITS JUST TO LEARN>
proposed cycle
1-4 weeks test prop .50 ed
1-4 weeks Dbol 50mg a day
1-16 weeks 500 mg of test E shot on Friday
8-16 weeks letro 2.5mg a day
27 years old
5.10
189 pounds
bf 15%
training for 10 years hard natural
goal is to put on mass
not afraid to add a little fat
this is my first cycle
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No way all this for first cycle , NOWAY even if he training for 20 years , and the nice thing he kick start with dbol and test p in one time , wow he is brave .and the 500 mg test in one day not even Monday and Thursday, and Letro 2.5 mg every day , wow.
So this cycle need a lot of work . Simply he must forget about it ,
10 weeks test 250 mon 250 Thursday.
Keep aro not Letro in hand week 5 blood test ,
And if he want survive food and pct the basic pct .
I think this enough for first cycle
Do pre-cycle bloods including wellness panel first to confirm health since you are older
Drop the prop, too much pinning/ pip for first cycle
Drop Dbol- use in future cycles if you want but at end of cycle not beginning
Test E only, split dosage to two times a wk-250mg tues and friday for even test levels
Letro way too high -Change AI to aromasin or Adex, adjust dosage after blood work wk 4-5
If goal is mass, you need outlined bulking diet and training program
You have a lean mass of only 160lbs @ 5'10" after 10 years of training? Your diet needs work. If you don't get that down the drugs won't help
FYI- don't bust my balls too bad if I messed this up, I'm a rookie myself
1st Id try to reduce BF a little bit before starting.
2nd Reduce cycle to 12 weeks to ensure a proper recovery the first time through.
3rd drop the dbol, test only to learn how test really affects the guy. Next cycle maybe add the dbol.
Use the prop as a taper the last two weeks 12-14 then PCT.
4th switch AIs to maybe aromasin or adex. Also he may not even need them. Bloods week 5 to dictate whether or not to take an AI
5th since not afraid to add on some fat while gaining mass... what does your diet look like? Id recommend +500 to start maybe upwards of +750 if he can get his BF lower
I can't speak to dbol, never taken. But I assume week 1 to 4 on prop is to see how the body reacts? My first cycle with something other than testosterone was the introduction of decca and I went in at 1/2 the planned doses for 3 weeks to see how my body reacted. Wouldn't you want to do the same with dbol? Slow and safe right?
First critique is the 10 yrs hard natural training at 27 very rare to see a guy be dedicated through the teens and twenties and have a diet down instead of drinking and chasing women. Next the letro at 2.5mg a day is crazy and no need to kickstart on a first cycle with prop or dbol thatll just cause bloat. Stick to the test E keep ai on hand and get your pct drugs before u start the cycle
IMO. For a first cycle no dbol and no prop kicker, let's not forget virgin muscles and eod pins with prop that may have a bite to it. 16 weeks is too long for a first cycle. So let's do 12 weeks. And I have no experience with letro so I'll leave that out. Lets use adex or aromasin. I'd run test e or c at 500 mg a week split pins twice a week to develop a strong site rotation with both adex and aromasin on hand if needed. With a prop taper of 100 mg eod. So it will look like this.
Wks 1-12 test e or c biweekly pins 500 mg per wk
Starting wk 4 monitor for sign of high estro. Bloat tight scotum acne if present start with adex @ .5 mg e3d. If that's not enough bump it to eod.
Wks 13 and 14 test prop @ 100 mg eod. Now that have had 12 weeks of practice and hopefully developed a good site rotation this will give the other esters to clear out leading into a good pct
Forgot to mention pre, mid and post cycle bloods.
Gains may end up being leaner by losing some fat first, and 15% body fat after 10 years hard training could mean you don't have diet down. And do you have a diet plan to go with this drug plan?
Dbol is not for a first cycle. If it were a later cycle, AI should line up with dbol because it aromatizes easily. (Personally, I don't think I'll ever choose dbol.)
Even with test only, AI should start around week 2-4 if it's being planned in. If estrogen is going to be a problem for you, it will be well up there by week 8.
Every day pinning right from the first shot could leave you with lots of PIP because all sites are virgin and you don't have your technique down.
Weekly shots of test E is probably fine, but trying to do 2cc at once cuts down on what sites you can use. (I myself do 2/week to keep levels more stable.)
I know a lot of this was already said. This is fun but I saw it late.
MagnistrengthI think week 1-4 test would be to much for a first cycle my fist cycle I only ran test cyp only by itself cause I'm new to pinning and only have to once a week to get more comfortable with it. I also got nolva and clomid just in case any sides and if I had to jump off cause of them. Oh I'm currently on my first lol I waited till I was 29 to make sure it was the path I could afford and want
Letro at 2.5mg every day...damn. I think my joints would ache like a mofo!
Tell me you haven't seen stuff like this posted tho
I'd be lying if I said I didn't!
Tren only for first run or so I see more n more these days lmao WARNING: That was a joke, don't run tren first cycle
Overall pretty good
I'd say arimidex on the ai? Should the d Bol be tapered up to 50mg through the 4 weeks if it is gonna be used? I was gonna say split the e dose into twice a week.
drop the dbol completely... good catch on the AI.. +2
I'll play. Here is what I see:
ok first thing brother if you are not familiar with a compound then do not give advice( where just learning here) .5 ed or 100eod is the same dosage.
you are correct no need for letro here another choice would be better
nice pick up on the splitting the test e twice a week.
since this is my first cycle its a good idea to run 1 compound to see how your body reacts .
+1 you got most right
I wouldn't ever give advice on something I dont about, I put the question mark and noted in parenthesis to hopefully keep anyone from taking that as how to run it. It was more asking if I was right or not, since this is a game and time for learning.
I realize the 50 ed is the same as 100eod, the correction I was intending was on the length of time... changing it from 4 weeks to 1-2 weeks. Would that be the right length of time to front load it?
4 weeks is the general rule of thumb when front loading with test prop
Is it really? Running 4 weeks kick start on one of those steroid calculators it ends up way overshooting at the end of week 4, then drops off about 30% to level off on test E for the rest of the cycle. Wouldn't you want your kick start to jump it up to a steady state level and flatline for the rest of the cycle, rather than spiking for weeks 2-4?
This is kind of off topic, but just curious. From my limited knowledge on the subject it seems like there would be better ways to kick start.
Reasons some guys kickstart is they don't want that 1-4 weeks where test levels are rising slowly they want to make the most of there cycle get them up fast to maximize your Gaines fr the entire cycle
I believe you mean kick-start, front loading is entirely different.
You're right, sorry. I've never done a kick start, here to learn.
bigmurphI like this gj this should get a good conversation going. I also like the way you wrote the set up cycle
+1
T-3000The test prop is uneccassary, also letro for the ai isn't what I'd do, and I'd shorten the test to 12 weeks so it'd look like this
1-12 test e 500 mg
3-12 .50 mg of adex e3d or as needed
1-4 dbol ed 50mg split
lots of food and exercise
Did I win ?
why is the prop unessasary?
T-3000I was thinking let the test e do its job and the fact that he already has an oral like dbol that's going to start his cycle off good, not to mention the ed pinning haha
That first time user ain't gonna like ed pins IMO.
Very good catch +2
Man I'm gonna take a stab at it. Since it's the first cycle shouldn't you just use test to see how the body will react?
what else do you see here that's wrong your getting warm
bigmurphI think we have a winner
Keep going brother what else do you see?
+1
GJ, I'd like to buy a vowel!
Good to see you posting up these quizzes again!
X2 brother Impastable! I always enjoyed these! Enlightening and informative! Brother GJ does a great job interacting with the community!
Well it would be nice but it seems the nebs don't want to learn or play anymore. Site has taken a nose dive lately
They're not here to learn, they're here to get cosigned. I've found quite a number of the newbies here on other forums with the exact same usernames, and what we reject here gets cosigned and added to on these other forums...
Hahahah! Holy shit.
hush lol I know you see them