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+ 8 MY GEAR IS BUNK

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I hear this over and over im 6 weeks in or 10 weeks in and only gained a few pounds my gear must be bunk.. well folks there are some cases that we do get underdosed or bunk gear buts its far and few between if you do your research. 99% of the time the problem lies with what your eating and how your training, I had a guy ask im running a bulker but I don't want to gain any fat I have cut my calories down to 2500 a day and I just cant gain anything do you think my gear is fake? im running 750mg of test E and 500 decca a week with 50mg of dbol a day cant believe I got ripped off. well little timmy I hate to tell you its prob not your gear its your calorie intake.

this blows my mind we spend 600-700 on a cycle but yet you piss it down the toilet if your not eating enough to give your body that calorie surplus it needs to build muscle.

timmy is 5ft 10 inches and weighs 175 pounds and wants to gain weight run a bulker

timmy needs 4,000 calories a day
timmy needs around 300 grams of protein a day
timmy needs a lot of complex carbs

timmy needs to train hard I mean hard min of 4 days a week

after all this if he still doesn't grow then I would say you have bunk gear!!!!

I guess my point is if your going to screw around with AAS the most critical part in food

THINK BIG TO ACHIEVE BIG!!!!!

EAT BIG TO GET BIG!!!!!!!

EAT SMALL TO STAY SMALL!!!!

so take a hard look in the mirror and ask are you truly doing the things needed to let the AAS work.

Freeze's picture

I feel too many guys are trying to stay lean and bulk...wtf...you gotta choose. This last 12 months I bulked for 12 months..on and off cycle..actually only one cycle and Im on and about to finsih..24 pounds up in 12 months..good year for me. Take a look at some of the cycle logs.."want to get swole" but they are 180 and doing a cut cycle. just my 2 cents

Lilbear's picture

If I feel my gear is under dosed I would just run labs. I never felt that way because I stick with the same sources, and they are pretty consistent. Two of them over dose it by a few mg.

If labs come back good, I would check my sleep then diet and water.

99transam's picture

I preached this method when I did my ebc bulker. Alot of bit of food...alittle bit of gear. My cycle cost around $500 for 12 wks. My food cost for 12 wks was around $1200+.

irongame427's picture

You must have been buying in bulk and bargain shopping to only pay 1200 for 12 weeks for someone you size and how much you put on! I spend almost double tha every week, but i have a problem with eating out to much lol. I got a place that makes all heathly food like i would cook but it tastes 100% better, but its costly Cant help myself alot of times hah.

cdyrdes's picture

So you spend 2000-2400 a week on food?

Lilbear's picture

Your a monster bro. You looked amazing at the end of the ebc

pege's picture

+1 hello

Catalyst's picture

I went to my wife's office to take her out to lunch last Friday. She has a new boss just started who looked at me and said to her "bloody hell, what do you feed him?"

My wife's response - EVERTHING.

Enough said.

IrishMack's picture

LOL deja vu. My wife's boss was ordering food the other day at a bbq place so they ordered and the waitress got to me so I said, "give me 2 whole rotisserie chickens, 2 sweet potatos baked not mashed, A side of spinach, and 2 large ice waters. after everyone except my wife stood there dumbfounded she says, "I was wondering why you are that big for being so short."

tonytulo's picture

My response would've been " the fucks my height have to do with it"? lol

IrishMack's picture

I did want to go into a nice Joe Pesci routine but I was starving my ass off.

tonytulo's picture

that would've made it happen for me especially when im hungry.

IrishMack's picture

The wife gets concerned for my.blood pressure when I haul off so I start to open my mouth and she immediately gives me the look or kicks me under the table, she knows when I'm getting ready to let it loose lol.

Gymjunkie01's picture

Exactly +2

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RickRock1086's picture

I tell you exactly what people do when they think their gear is "bunk" they UP their dosing, thinking that this will compensate for the "underdosed" gear, some fellas here don't justify the amount of gear they take(yes this includes huge amounts of Tren) all the HGH + peptides & still sit around at 190 pounds @ 6 ft tall... Talking about how experience they are when they in their mid 20's

The Impastable's picture

I'm curious as to how many of these guys are on gear upping it because it's "under dosed" vs. how many of these guys actually have no fucking clue what they are doing.

vhman's picture

They're one in the same in far too many incidents...

The Impastable's picture

Too true now that I think about it.

Gymjunkie01's picture

very good point +2

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Makwa's picture

I agree with you that food is the most important part of the picture here. Unfortunately I see to many people take this to the extreme also. To many people also think AAS is a free ticket to to be a slob and eat everything they see. The "dirty bulk" comes to mind. What is the point in gaining 25lbs on your cycle when 15lbs of it is fat and now you have to spend the next three months trying to lose all the fat while in that process you are also going to lose a significant portion of muscle while cutting with no AAS in your system. I'll take 10 solid pounds of lean mass during my cycle with little to no fat gain over 20 lbs with half of it being fat. By the time that fat is stripped off you have also stripped muscle away resulting in net loss for the total cycle compared to just focusing on gaining lean mass. I may have strayed a little off of your point but I think it also needs to be stressed that "you need to eat big to get big" but eat "within reason".

Gymjunkie01's picture

I agree with U up to the point of lean bulk park now everyone has there own method and im not here to say mine is better then yours or anyone's else but if your gonna bulk then bulk isn't that the point . Don't be afraid of putting on some fat while doing it you will get better results Imo .. But like I said if it works for U then great

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vhman's picture

Go Timmy!

The Impastable's picture

Amen brother. Eat like a truck lift like a truck.

irongame427's picture

My man Viking said it best. Thank god I already built my physique cause if I had to do it with the garbage that dominates the market today' I would need to get used to pinning 8-10gs a week.

But, it one knows how to eat and train right and there gear is even slightly real they should get some pretty good resorts. I've ran more bunk gear then I have good gear and I've managed to add a lot of muscle during my time using.

The focus needs to be taken off gear and moved to diet and training

irongame427's picture

I totally agree with you on the eatinf part bro. Most don't eat or train right.

But the true fact of the matter is most of this gear is bunk. There's not one source in the dom top 10 I wokld trust for gear. I have two sources I use and that's it. Sure somtkems the domestics put out a good batch then next ones crap. No quality control, no consistency.

Gymjunkie01's picture

I don't know if I agree with that 100% there are a few yes lol but there are several good domestics it may be underdosed some but there a some really good domestics here I see three in the bottom six that produce really good gear have for a good while

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irongame427's picture

Na, there's one good domestic and he's private and there's another good domestic and he resells top notch gear from Europe.

Little Timmy would have still packed on 15-20lbs of water just from the dbol, then add in the test and deca. I don't care if little timmy starves himself if he hasn't hainsd 15lbs of waTer the first 6 weeks of a test deca dbol cycle his gear is most likely shit. Started dbol last week at 15mg gained 7lbs in 5 days. Last time I ran high dose I gained 15 in 10-14 days. Fact of the matter is most of the gear you guys are buying is fucking junk. Hate to say it but it took my a long time to realize it myselfz

There's 2 in the top ten I would consider trying. But I'm happy with my sources I don't fuck around shopping around and bargain shopping anymore. All that ever git me was underdosed gear.

Pale's picture

Long time? You are 25, what do you know about long time? lol.You like to make awful broad statements bro. You do not know what the domestic sources have. You have had experience with a couple shady ones, it happens but stop painting them all with the same brush.

irongame427's picture

actually you're right, it didnt take me a long time, only about a year to figure it out. And this is how it goes.
cost 2 bucks to make a vial of test a soruce sells for 40, huge profit margin. So the sources are not trying to fuck us ( most the time) its the chinese people they get their raws from. Just like the dope game. The chinse take 10kg of raw test powder, and 10kg of filler and call it 20kg of raw test. So then the source doesnt test the raws, they brew it up thinking its all good cause in the past their raw suppler gave them high purity raws, but this time the batch that hits the market for us to buy is 50% underdosed. And this is exactly whats happened to me with basically every domestic i used. Sure some are shady, but ones still in the top 10.

So i have nothing against the sources, i know how this game works and i know it makes no sense for them to fuck us. I choose to use a source who tests everything so this problem never occurs. And hes done so damn well he went private and has a massive waiting list for people who want in. This is how all sources should do it.

kodiakGRRL's picture

cost 2 bucks to make a vial of test a soruce sells for 40, huge profit margin.

a huge profit margin for a huge risk .. thanks for acknowledging the risk I take to provide you with compounds you want (and I use the term "you" very loosely here)

IrishMack's picture

Don't you also have to deduct the cost of the equipment, vials, stoppers, chemist, clean room, experience, time it takes to make.. I would say that turns your 40 into about 15-20 possibly less, and the cost of the powder.

kodiakGRRL's picture

plus the people who pick up donations, receive packs etc etc etc ... a lot of people want a slice of the pie

IrishMack's picture

That's right, I forgot about those people who you always have to ask if they want oil or cream.

Gymjunkie01's picture

I like pie

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kodiakGRRL's picture

everybody likes pie .. lol

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Im just not gonna touch that one.

kodiakGRRL's picture

that's good ready .. very good ;-)

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Whaaa?????? You mean felonies are NOT free?

vhman's picture

The first one's free, with shipping and handling.

kodiakGRRL's picture

that all depends on whose supplying the felony ;-)

ReadyToKillIt's picture

I didn't retain more than 5 lbs of water off an entire test/Dbol/deca cycle, my shit wasn't fake.

irongame427's picture

You have no idea how much water you retained. I gained 15lbs of most likely water in the first 10 days of my test deca dbol cycle, but when I came off I only dropped 5lbs, so doses that mean I only retained 5lbs of water? No, it means body composition changed throughout the cycle. Water was lost tissue was added etc. cause if that wasn't the case I shojld have dropped 15lbs when I came off

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Your statement was that if he hasn't gained 15 lbs of water in his first 6 weeks, then the gear is bunk. Is majorly inaccurate. Maybe my statement wasnt worded correctly. However, with a good dose of deca and 50 mg of Dbol daily, I surely didn't put 15 lbs of water in the first 6 weeks. I gained about 8 in the first 6. Based off of compositional changes, I would only contribute 1/3-1/2 of that as water. My gear was not bunk, and 2.5-4 lbs of water in 6 weeks is a far cry from 15 lbs. If Dbol throws that much water on you in a couple of weeks, maybe you should reevaluate diet or ai usage. Or, maybe people's body's react differently, and you should be careful making generalized statements.

irongame427's picture

You know you're right. Most of the times when i start something new at the same time i increase my calories, which equals weight gain, increase carbs, which means more glycogen and carbs hold water so weight from that, more sodium from eating so much more food, and then theres the water retention from the drugs. So i cant say anything for certain cause i would never waste my time taking a drug without doing the above things i listed. But on the other hand i just looked thru your profile and didnt see any pictues of either of the two kinds of real dbol left on the market. So I'm not saying yours was fake, it just wasn't high quality. Talk to any vet who knows orals and they will tell you the same thing, all but two brands are still the real deal.

ReadyToKillIt's picture

I go off of Vikes ringing endorsement of those little pink square guys (think "b"lood "p"ressure) I have in my pics. I haven't used another oral steroid since he put his review up on that SRCs page (ancillaries not withstanding).

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FR sent.

ReadyToKillIt's picture

Accepted

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sent you a pm

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