+ 1 planning my first Tren E cycle..
Planning to do my first tren e cycle. I've only used test e/c. Never found the need to go further then that. HAVE used orals and such like dbol, Anavar, halo. Anyways to get to it. My issue is blood pressure. I have high bp and use bp pills mainly why i haven't branched out to tren before but my bp pills are keeping me in the good area 125/75. Has been as high as 170/115 in the past. I'm using Olmesartan medoxomil 40mg pill/ED. Just want to hear from anyone that has used tren well on bp pills. My plan for this cycle below:
Test C -500mg/week (15 weeks)
Tren E- 400mg/week (last 10 weeks)
TBOL -50-60mg/ED (last 6 weeks)
Arimidex (14 weeks)
Cabergoline (well on tren)
NAC 1800mg/ED (last 6 weeks)
.. any type of input is appreciated. Even if its to say something i planned is stupid.. which from experience someone will likely say so let's have it haha. Anyways main questions i have is... WILL ANY OF THESE ORALS/OILS INTERACT WITH MY BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS AND HAS ANYONE HAD ANY EXPERIENCE USING TREN ON BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS... Thank you all in advance!
... just to add also would deca be a better choice to run instead of tren?
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Catalyst is the chemist here. I have BP problems and take BP meds but bro, I've been at this for what is approaching 15 years and when I use certain steroid compounds I'm married to a BP cuff. I also have coronary artery disease and I still enjoy competing as a BB. I also use extremely heavy weights in the gym and the last thing I want is to stroke out. So no, I can't reasonably advise you to use Tren. Please don't let other guys you know talk you into it either. You could have a weakness in a cerebral artery somewhere and live your whole life without it ever surfacing as a problem. You get all "Trenned" up with your BP too high and you go out on that platform in a meet and that artery breaks, if you don't die right there, you could be in a wheelchair for the rest of your life in a nursing home paralyzed. I'm sorry to be so horrific but this happens. Not worth it at all bro.
Thanks for the input. Think i heard what i was wanting to hear. Well shouldn't say that pretty disappointed i can't use tren at this moment. So think I'll just run test and orals again. Prob go with tbol and end it with some superdrol. Decided after all this to do a cut I'm little on the high side with bodyfat percentage saying im around 20%.. so decided I'm going to do a mini cut drop 20lbs and after I've dropped the weight talk to my doctor about dropping the bp meds and giving it a try. Even tho we think my issue is from sleep apnea but i can't seem to keep the machine on for more then a hour.. i rip it off in my sleep. Tried for 3 months everyday.. so guess I'll never know what that is like.
Bro, I just got my bi-level PAP machine about 6 weeks ago. Full face mask and also an oxygen bleed into the PAP machine from an oxygen concentrator machine. My sleep apnea that I didn't know I had progressed to the point where I was waking up at night gasping for air to the point I could not lay in bed for 5 minutes without starting to choke and was trying to sleep upright in a chair. If you are a big guy, it can be all muscle, sleep apnea is more common than you think. If you have it, it will only get worse. The PAP machine has changed my life bro. Work on a different mask set up - you can resolve it, believe me, don't give up. I am now sleeping again in a bed, I have dream sleep which vanished like 10 years ago and is now back AND, most importantly, my strength and productivity in the gym has risen dramatically since I started getting real sleep again. The face mask I use is like strapped on my head so tight I find it hard to pull off. I fall asleep like a baby . . .
EDIT: My wife found the mask setup a little freaky at first, but she got her husband back the way I used to be before the horror of sleep apnea. She's real happy now.
I know so many people that have the machine. And have really good luck with it. But I've tried just about everything i could to sleep with it on. Have tried every mask and tried to tighten it extremely. But i had no luck and that was trying it everyday for just under 4 months with a lender machine from.local sleep clinic. Its crazy because i do need it so bad.I stopped breathing 86 times an hour during my sleep test... not good.
I stopped breathing 80 times an hour. I sent you a friend request so we can PM. You have a real bad case of sleep apnea and it is destroying your performance in the gym. Not to mention slowly wrecking your health. I really want to talk to you about this. In fact, there is probably NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE RIGHT NOW, than resolving this problem. You can die from this bro. Die in your sleep, if you want to call what you're getting sleep.
I'm definitely not getting good sleeps some nights i get into them deep dreaming sleeps. Wake up feeling great and others i wake up dragging my feet. Not sure why i can't get the machine to work for me. I'll fall alseep fine but within a hour i rip it off in my sleep and don't even know until morning
Tren can make my blood pressure rocket. Be careful mate.
You thought about masteron? It's a safer alternative and loads of people rate it.
BP issues and running tren is not a smart move. Most people will get an increase in BP on tren and you obviously have an existing condition.
In terms of the drug you take, it's contraindications are renal issues, cardiology problems and it can cause dizziness and gastrointestinal discomfort. You're taking a dose deemed to be at the top end of its usable scale, so I'd be more concerned than normal when we combine it with steroids.
Honestly I'd say at your age it's not something I would even consider personally.
Ok thanks. What would your input be on running deca?
I'd take the same stance. I wouldn't touch 19 Nors.
Question... If your concern is blood pressure being affected by Tren, why would you propose a long estered version of it, especially since you're only planning on 10 weeks of it? If the negative sides hit you, you're shit out of luck until it clears your system.
Yes, it most likely will affect your BP (I've run it and I did notice my BP crept up). How much will be an individual factor.
And why add tren? Plenty better ways to increase your strength (which seems to be your goal judging by the username).
What is your BF% at your current stats?
I'm looking to add tren to step up my powerlifting game. Have a qualify meet coming up end of October. And decided to use tren e because also the sides are more intense on the short ester version. And I've never had any luck with dbol in the past. Original plan was to use 750mg test c, fire things up with 6 weeks of tbol then 4 weeks out from meet run 20mg superdrol.
I'd have to side with Catalyst on this, I wouldn't run 19nors. There are other compounds to increase your strength for the qualifier. List all the drugs you've used before, why dosages, lengths, etc. And how they affected your BP.
It would be a bit irresponsible for one of the members on here to recommend them given your condition, and in all honesty it will probably come down to you having to weight out the pros:cons for your self.
Dbol as really treated me well for strength but always jacks my bp. Ran it twice now. Ran quite a few Anavar/test cycles. And used halo once. Which treated but pretty harsh so not at the top of my list. If. I wasn't going run tren i had plans of running 750mg test and 60mg tbol for 6 weeks or 4 weeks out run superdrol @ 20mg
Curious. How was your estrogen control while on DBol? When my estrogen gets a little too high my BP follows suit.
You're in a bit of a shitty situation. Given your condition, perhaps competing in powerlifting is not the best option. You'd have to decide for yourself what matters more to you, longevity or the number game.
Problem is I'm in Canada and we dont have the luxury of private labs. So i have to guess my dose for my arimidex basically. Most doctors dont want to help. And it will hurt my insurance. When i use dbol I'm typically using 0.5mg arimidex every second day. I've got gyno the last time around mid cycle as well but used nolvadex for 5 days at 40mg and cleared it right up and did not come back.and upped my arimidex to 1mg/EOD