Possible anxiety from the gear?
I've just started a cycle roughly 4 weeks ago of test c, deca and dbol and today i took a kind of a attack 2nd time this happened but worse this time. A heavy feeling came over my head and i got right hot then my heart started racing. Then when it was over i kinda got cold mostly in my hands. At the time i almost thought i was taking a stroke. I was at work and had the nurse at my work take my bp 3 times and first time it was 170/113 then3rd time it was 149/100 before i left. Also on the way to get this done. i felt shorted of breath and heart rate increased slighty.. Any idea what could be happening? Part of me feels like the steriods may be causing me to have anxiety even though i don't feel stressed out. But i do get weird when i go to public places now. Almost get built up anger at the grocery store. As for the high bp could be anxiety but may be the dbol so dropped the dbol starting today. Only been on it 2.5 weeks at 30mg.
My cycle I'm running is 750mg test c, 400mg deca, 30mg dbol. Also started getting gyno bad so i started taking 1mg ED arimidex and 40mg nolvadex ED for 1 week seems to be clearing but have caber on the way anyway.
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Hitman187estrogen may be too high, which can cause anxiety and mood swings. i had anxiety my first cycle taking only test e because i didn't have an ai, once i got some adex and used it properly i never had a problem with anxiety again. still every once and a while i do forget to take my ai and when the estro creeps up i catch myself getting moody, sometimes its anger and others i get too sensitive and take shit to heart real easy.
@powerlifter3631, brother, there is USE, MISUSE and ABUSE of all things.
All three have their own outcomes.
You've gotten solid advice to refrain for a good chunk of time (sounds like you could use a whole year off). Don't be too stubborn to listen to your body, to your eroids brothers, and to common sense. It's common for a reason.
You posted this about coming off after being on for s year;
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/pct-help-12
Changed your mind?
BP and anxiety issues and talking about kids in thst post, seems to me the answer is staring your n the face. Probably not the answer you wanted, but you know what needs to be done......
Didn't change my mind. Planned to come off after this cycle.but was a slight chance i was going to do nationals at my meet which I'd have to run 2 more months. Was only going to come off 3-4 months after pct. Now looking at 6 months talking to a few other fellas. So i ended up dropping the deca and just going to finish my cycle at 750mg test c right into my meet with test suspension at the meet. And that pct post I'm asking what the best way i should go about running a pct. Not sure how to go about the hcg tho
I'll be honest Deca messes me up mentally!
UPDATE: been prescribed Coversyl 4mg pills ED to help drop my bp and also getting a ton of blood work done. Anyone know if mixing this with any steriods will cause any issues?
Obviously no doctor mate but most steroids increase blood pressure due to water retention or raising red blood cell count so you could be counteracting the medication. In mho you should pct get yourself sorted then when ready fit and healthy start your cycle again buddy. Hope all goes well
Yes this is what started my high bp. But don't must users just use blood pressure pills when there bp starts getting high? And ill found out about my rbc getting blood work done tomorrow hopefully.
If it was me buddy I would see what blood work says first.me personally would try everything possible before using medication to combat the issue this could lead to more unwanted side affects and it's more chemicals in the body.
Could you post ALL your supplements up to take a look (please be honest) But honestly I would pct get bloods done to rule out any underlying issue this is just what I would do mate my health is far more important than a cycle. What you describe sounds like a panic attack
Supps i use are NAC 1800MG/day, fish oil 3000mg day, arimidex 1mg/day currently ended up getting gyno so had to up it. Just waiting for caber to arrive then iI'll decrease the arimidex.
I have a ct scan on my kidneys next week to see howthe blood is flowing in and out. Also have a list of blood work being done.also was just diagnosed with sleep apnea the other day so thid could be the root of the whole problem seeing how sleep apnea can cause high bp.
and decided to drop the deca seeing how its not helping the situation so I'll finish my cycle @ 850mg test/ 75mg Anavar. Never had anyyyy issues with that in the past.
Exactly you have never had any issues in the past but you do now.this is your body telling you to come off the gear it's not just having kids you need to worry about carry on like this Bro andyou will end up in a box.
Not trying to sound like a dick but this is what needs to be done. You have makwa one of eroids most knowledgeable members telling you what needs to be done I would seriously consider his advice buddy good luck mate
aurladorId try giving blood on cycle that always helps me personally, drink lots of water, use a baby aspirin and fish oil every day, ect
Ive been told giving blood helps but i went to the hospital today in hopes of getting some blood work down but they would not even bother with me he just said the typical thing "cardio and watch the salts" which is fine and helps most cases. Anyway I've been told a lot about Hawthorne berry so i asked him and he said that should definitely help seeing how they won't give me BP meds yet. And also green tea extract. So going to mix the two plus the 3,000mg of fish oil I'm already taking.
Certain androgens bear a disposition for the encouragement of neurotic behavior by forcing the user into an incessant state of fight-or-flight. To my understanding, this proclivity isn't entirely dose dependent. That is, many of the compounds, by virtue of their chemical structure and mechanism of action, will inevitably stimulate the proliferation of anxiety and relative unease.
Now, I have heard of professional bodybuilders incorporating pharmacy-grade anxiolytics into their drug regimen for this sort of thing. Benzodiazepines such as Xanax, Ativan and Diazepam will function to alleviate some of the stress, but these are only available by prescription and you'll have to get creative if you're unable to locate a doctor willing to write for them. As an herbal alternative, you might consider looking into kratom supplementation for your needs. The content from several like-minded forums indicate that there are strains engineered for a notable, sedative quality that could be used to offset the disruptive manifestations.
I hope your able to re-establish control over yourself. Good luck.
Very informative. Thank you for the response. Going to book appointment with my doctor this week see if may i can figure out if it is anxiety. I ran 750mg test e and 40mg last cycle and this did not happen. But this is my first time running deca. Shouldn't have added the dbol into the mix until i knew how the deca treated me but needed to get my meet prep rolling fast was short notice prep and already had the deca for a planned cycle.
jkeeth82OH god yes, I get anxiety so bad on tren or equipoise I want to cry lol
High estrogen gave me high BP on cycle in the past and one or both gave me bad anxiety. I make sure to keep e2 under control now and it's been much better.
Rustyhooker"Like 145/90ish probably shouldn't have started it but i thought i would be alright for 4 weeks if i watch my diet and all that."
High bp naturally and then adding in gear could be your recipe of death. Stroke, embolism etc. Organs to be stressed and potentially fail
Anxiety will spike bp, further raising health risks. High bp causes anxiety as well which creates that one two punch further raising health risks.
You should be monitoring your bp each morning and evening. Dehydration, salt too high etc raises bp and risks.
Id stop cycle and get that bp in order.
Exactly, great advice man. If u don't have your health, you don't have much at all.
Thanks. And i did drop the dbol. Still going to run the deca and test for couple more weeks then if things aren't looking good then I'll drop the deca. And just finish my cycle on test c only. I'm 9 weeks out from my powerlifting meet. Then was coming right off with a nolvadex, Clomid and hcg pct. And I'm drinking 7 litres of water a day. Maybe more sometimes. Do eat salt but before i started the dbol i cut back A LOT. also i just got tested for sleep apne so waiting to here back from that also could be a big reason my bp is wacked. If not doctors said ill be going on bp meds...
RustyhookerExcellent! Glad you're taking the proper steps to control the health. Many guys just keep going with no checks. +2
Definitely stupid on my part running the dbol at all. But i guess lesson learned. I think I'm done with dbol in the future as much as i love it. Once my bp is back to perfect and they find the cause i might try it again.But as for now i think im done using it.
Good advice right there!
TronFirst time I used Dbol I was on it a little over a week and experienced exactly the same thing. Was at the gym and felt so shaky and nervous I had to leave. The feeling just crept up on me.Never. Experienced this before but I knew it has to be the Dbol. Stopped the Dbol and was back to normal within a couple days. High BP sucks man.
Interesting. Happy i decided to drop the dbol then. I'm just really hoping its not the deca causing it. Don't want to have to drop that too. See how it treats me the next few days. This dbol feels better then anyother dbol i ever used. So could be it. Just hate how it gives me instant high bp. Because i love dbol so much lol
TronEven high test alone spikes my BP anymore. You can control your BP with meds when planning your next cycle. If you need a good domestic source for BP meds that have no minimum to the order send me a pm.
Beside the things already being mentioned, some compounds have a high influence on your central nervous system, which can cause restless and nervousness sensation.
I guess due to your name I can suggest that you're a powerlifter? The CNS gets much more fried with a strength oriented training regimen. Combine that with such compounds and other things mentioned below, I guess there's a chance of anxiety attacks
everybody is different and no steroid effects people the same, matter of fact steroids effect me different depending on diet, BF%, how long since i last used the compound, dosage, my surroundings, water intake, if im working in the sun, loud environments. lots of variables.....tren and EQ both give me these anxiety attacks, but I would not be surprised if others did as well. sort of just comes over me and I feel like im in a box, like the air around just got really heavy, hot flashes. At first i was like WTF, caught myself snapping out a few times, then I realized what it was from and just learned to sit through it, it passes pretty quick for me.
with steroids I expect the unexpected and never react when shit happens.
Thats kinda how it starts happening for me. I'll be sitting there then my heads feels alittle weird then i get right hot and then kinda feels like my heart rate starts picking up think thats me making it worse then it is. I'll be at the grocery store then the lighting, people i start getting right worked up. Like almost annoyed then i just feel like leaving. That never happened to me before the gear.
The anxiety is from high estrogen,deca and BP issues r from dbol. Could also be high test combined as well. Have you ever used 750mgs a week of test b4?
This is why we preach one new compound at a time to see how ur body reacts. If you're BP was high b4 cycle started. U should of took care of that 1st and never even touched dbol. That's a given. Not being a dick man. But, your health and well being is way more important than AAS. U need to get blood work and get everything under control. If that means jumping ship on the cycle then so b it.
U dropped the dbol. I'd even consider cutting back on test dose and deca dose. Keep a close eye on it and like I said, come off and pct w blood work. If need b. Sometimes things just don't go as planned.
Yes my last cycle i used 750mg test e, with 40mg dbol to kick start the cycle then finished with 30mg halo for 2 weeks into my powerlifting meet dropped the dbol. To see what kind of changes that makes if things aren't feeling better I'll likely cut out the deca all together. Finish this cycle with just 750mg test into my powerlifting meet and hope for the best. Thing that sucks is i live in canada so if i go to the doctor about being on gear it will hurt my insurance. Don't have the luxury of private blood labs here.. as far as i know anyways. Did have some blood work down 2 months ago before i started my cycle just checking liver enzymes and my kidneys just to make sure things were looking good before i started taking orals and my bp drop to 135-140/85-90 so i thought i could get away with dbol.. i was wrong
Take this as a learning experience. Wrap up the cycle and take care of yourself. That ways there's always next time bro. Plus one for being leveled head and not some douche nozzle.
4th cycle OK so yes it can. You are pinning hormones you know.
Are you running any Caber for that deca?
really should or you might start leaking lol
No but i have caber on the way already! My cycle got pretty expensive so i was late ordering the caber. Should have waited for it... lesson learned tho. Just hope its not to late..
Drop the dbol bro....causes bp issues in a lot of guys.
Yup said that above. Decided to drop it today
Hey bro, if you have pre existing anxiety it can make it worse. I get mine especially with orals cause it raises my blood pressure
I've never been diagnose with anxiety in my life but I'm thinking i have it and the gear is really bringing it out. Trying to get into my family dr. And get checked for it..
bigmurphI have horrible anxiety even off gear im prescribed xanax I take every day I also have high bp and I used to always run dbol love the stuff but cant run it anymore so im going to use tbol from now on I also have to run low test doses. I run max 400mgs a wk because anything more than that is just to much for me and to be honest I still make great gains off of my cycles im a firm believer in high doses dont mean big gains they mean big sides. Lower doses can still allow you to reach your goals. You would be surprised try running at lower doses and you will see more is not always better.
Good luck and good gains to you brother
Also seeing how i got gyno i realize my estrogen is wacked so yeah dbol definitely messing with bp so another reason i dropped it. It was slightly high when i started also. Like 145/90ish probably shouldn't have started it but i thought i would be alright for 4 weeks if i watch my diet and all that.
maybe I read it wrong,,,but is this your 4th or 5th cycle? sounds like you have had issues with previous cycles....high BP. I feel you should stop .
4th cycle. Second time using Dbol. First time i ran it near the end it spiked my bp. So i came off. So i thought this time I'd try it again with a cleaner diet. But no luck. Still high. So dropping it. Just finish my training cycle with test and deca..
dropdzzDeca causes me great anxiety just wondering when my dick will quit working!!!!
dropdzzBoth dbol and anadrol send my BP skyward!Switch to anavar and watch the fat melt and you'll probably cure the high BP as well!
No issues with deca dick so far feel i have the test to deca ratio pretty good. Actually just bought Anavar because my dealer offered me a deal on it. So im thinking of running it now into my powerlifting meet. I do love Anavar never have any sides.and it always put a good increase on my lifts. Just expensive... but just got 150x25mg pills for $210 so grabbed that quick.