First Cycle - Recomendations & Input for Improvements?
Alright, hello everyone
I am new to the forums and I'd like your guys input on my first cycle.
(Edited)
10 Week Cycle
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/week split
Weeks 1-5: Danabol @ 25mg ED/EOD
Weeks 3-10: Latrozol @ 1-1-1-1-0.5-0.5-0.5 (mg)
PCT:
HCG starts 10 days after last injection for 10 days @ 1,000/1,000/1,000/800/700/600/500/500/500/500
Clomid & Aromasin start after last injection of HCG
Clomid @ 150/150/100/100/50
Aromasin @ 25/20/12/12/12
(Daily Dosage/Week)
New Diet plan during Cycling;
Consumption of:
Calories: 2785-3060
Protein: 240-275
Carb: 120-150
Fat: 98-132
Total Time roughly 17 weeks (more or less) including PCT time.
What do you guys think?
Stats:
Age: 26
Hight: 183cm
Weight: 70kg
Build: Medium (Mesomorph)
Training: 1-2 years
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I knew this one wasn't going to end well.
RustyhookerAnother 150 pounder. These giants must know more than the rest if us somehow.
And before he edited his post he was talking about cutting up ffs, he'd of ended up looking like a marathon runner. At his height and weight he had nothing to work with to begin with lol. When will they ever learn. They think tren is this wonder drug and have no fear of stacking it up for their first cycle, gonna be a fucked up YouTube generation all on trt at such tender ages, their dad's will be holding more natty test lol.
RustyhookerThe Internet tells you what to do. No research. Not reasoning. Look at all the cycles this year posted. Read it at XXX and no foundation for even an 18 year old athelete.
Take a time out and re-read what these guys have told you several times..
Finch SterlingAlright, I have come to a conclusion that I will be going ahead in starting my cycle after receiving pointless AND repeated answers, I have realise that many that think they are giving advice like the people below infact just read what others have said, copy and paste what they have said into their own text box and tweak a couple of words to make them sound like its original, and the people who have commented have no progression photos that would make me think "wow, this guys it built as fuck, I should take advice from him" it's utterly ridiculous and a joke.
However, I am greatful and thankful to @bigmurph on this thread as he was the only one that's had an actually legit input into this thread by providing links and suggestions.
Only proofs that you just came here to hear the things you wanted to hear and that you weren't looking for advice anyway.
I am sure, you'll make great gains on your cycle!
And then going to a board saying "yeah, on my cycle I gained 30lbs from which 25lbm were actual muscle gains"
Because I like it so much, I'd want to share my fav meme with you. Here it is
Right on bro. Keeping it real. At least you got a response. OP couldn't be bothered to respond to my cycle suggestion ;-)
That twigg!
and once again, OP chose poorly. I have my review coming up at work, maybe I should adopt these kids approach and tell my boss he has no idea what he is talking about and I am going to just take my raise that I want anyways. Reality is going to hit these guys hard and its a fkn shame too.
Yeah. I always say, that if someone challenges the things I believe to be true and is able to back it with literature and proof, I am absolutely willing to accept that I probably was wrong and change my way of thinking. Only by that, we are able to improve.
There's absolutely no benefit in being stubborn, especially not when you are looking for advice. It should deal the purpose to help yourself and improve your knowledge.
This is just everything but the mentioned...
Yeah what's the point asking for advice and then not listening to it because it's not what you wanted to hear? Wasting everyone's time.
150g of carbs, you have got to be fucking kidding me? - I had more than that for breakfast. Get your diet in order before even considering using AAS. It's not a get big quick pill, it still takes hard work and food!!!
Muscle isn't made from steroids.
SMFH
Finch SterlingYes, I believe that should be sufficient as my main source of energy, after all your body can process so much efficiently before it starts to saving it in the depo as fat. SMFH. I'm starting to wonder what on earth does your diet consist of.
"It's not a get big quick pill"
Actually, in a sense it is, especially this would be true to Dbol as it has the ability to make you look bigger in size because of it retaining water at high levels.
Here is my cycle for you:
Eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat,train, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, train, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, train, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, train..........for the next 2 years. No aas and then come back and let's take another look.
I think, you are no where near of being ready to hop on AAS.
Stay natural for at least a couple of years. You're still relatively new to training and with a proper diet and training regiment you can make some great and massive gains naturally.
Finch SterlingYou were in the 75kg class during your 6th cycle, how on earth could you possibly weigh that much on your 6th cycle? Advice coming from a person that looks skinny in its own PP and even after 6 cycles yet looks rather damn slim, makes me question whether advice from you is legit. I have yet to recieve good advice from an actual person who has been there done that the proper way and has plenty of cycle photos to prove that, yet I have people on here giving me advice that has Ripped Santa as its Profile Picture and doesn't have a single damn progression photo on it profile and then have sat here think they are giving me advice. Ridiculous.
First off, I guess everyone who's frequently on this board can say that I know at least some of the shit I am saying.
Second, I compete as a powerlifter. Just because I attended at a certain weightclass, doesn't necessarily mean that I weigh that much on a daily basis. The more lbm you have, the more severe can a watercut be.
The 2.nd point explains the third one as well. I am mostly strength oriented. Meaning I want to be as competitive in a given weightclass as possible and just mass alone won't move the weight for me.
Look at people like Josh hancott. He is 5'9 and totally out of the norm in height/weight ratio and still outperforms all of the people in his weightclass.
So, excuse me that I needed to neg you for this and say fuck off boy. If you don't want to listen to the things I have to say, than say it in a different way instead of posting stuff you have no idea about.
And additionally, why are you looking for advice if you can't handle comments which are against what you wanted to hear or believe. ..this is not how this board works. Go elsewhere if you want to look for approval for rubbish like that
+2, they can't grasp what real competing is about, it's not about being the biggest you can be but competing in a class. I'm not sure why they don't know the difference between power-lifting and bodybuilding, maybe we should put up a post and try to explain it?
Totally. You have years of powerlifting exp. And glad that you're here to chime in.
Let's even move away from the powerlifting aspect and look at the Olympic weightlifters.
Let's take ilya ilyin, who's by far the greatest oly. weightlifter of all time who has won in different weightclasses in consecutive years!
That alone is impressive enough but he takes it even further and beats unbelievable records!
Man, this dude clean and jerks over 240kg and look at his physique. It's far from what most would call aesthetic or even big for the numbers he puts on the platform.
Aesthetics is just a totally different game compared to strength oriented goals and two different sports in general, which can't be compared with each other.
Fella - I'll be blunt, because I tire for your type of "I'm doing it anyway" approach that seems to represent most of the people that walk through the door. You're skinny, I've seen more meat on a chicken nugget. You've built no base, barely been in a gym and you've got no business touching gear. Until you work out how to eat and train properly steroids won't change a thing.
Finch SterlingAlright let me put it blunt as well, and since you're "labelling" me I would do the same after all you are nothing different from those people on here that call themselves "knowledgable" repeating what others say "oh, don't do steroids, your not ready, go build some natty muscle" like a heard of sheep. That is not advice, it's like me shouting out the letter A and the rest of the world repeats the letter A after me, what have we learnt? Well, the letter A exist and many people have to ability to copy and repeat what one person says.
You're lazy, plain and simple sonny. You're talking as though you know what you're going, yet you can't even spell the drugs you're intent on using, (it's letrozole FYI). I'm not repeating or being a sheep, I'm telling you what I think. If you bothered to get to know the place you'd realise people trying to help you get your game in order first. People aren't all saying the same thing as they're "sheep" as you put it, it's because running gear in your position is ridiculous.
Reality is you're yet another that thinks he can arrive here and start with an attitude, telling everybody else what's wrong because you didn't hear what you want. Run whatever you want, it'll fall off you anyway as you think you can support a muscle base on 150g of carbs. Good luck with that.
-2 to start you on your way. Should have read this first.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/i-want-to-run-a-...
Finch SterlingOh wait, who's the person now that can't take criticism? I am also very glad you picked up on a single typo, that is probably the very first legit input I have heard from you. FYI, my age is suitable, my body is in stable condition, diet is reasonable so I will not be waiting till Im 30,40 or even 50 when my balls have shrivelled, my face looking all wrinkly, getting no erection and needing a walking stick to stand up on my 2 feet.
Hmmm........... in your mind son, but defo not in my mine............... lmfao!
You really need to stand next to someone like me just to get an idea of how fucked up your thinking is sonny.
Boy, either it must be that all of us are living in a different world or it's you who has an absolutely screwed perspective of things
Are you 14 years old little boy? You certainly behave like one. My input about not being ready is entirely legit, you just don't like it. Life's like that, you'll realise that when you become a grown up.
OK I saw your pic, thanks for posting it. Here is my thoughts. Hit the gym, and hit it HARD. Hit the kitchen and hit it HARD. You are trying to rush something that is not going to happen because you will lose ALL your gains because you have very little muscle to begin with. The more muscle you have before you cycle, the better your chances of retaining a large portion. If you can have a little patience and put in the work you may find aas might not be needed. OR it can be like this...
Just ignore our help, do whatever you want, and gain nothing. Blame the aas and say it must have been bunk and increase your doses. Change nothing else. Gain nothing. Blame the dose this time and do more and add other aas to your cycle. Come back to eroids complaining your dick won't get hard or your lactating or you have massive lumps under your nips or any other serious side effect.
What do you think is the smartest solution? Ignore our help or build your base?
sums it up pretty well
smfh
AnonAnd enanthate for six weeks is also pointless imo
Finch SterlingYes, you are right but that was only if I was to include Tren A in my cycle which now I have taken out. I have now properly revised my cycle with dosing and the period of my cycle also added my diet intake during the cycle period.
bigmurphThe revisions you have made still aren't what you want to do
Letro is crazy strong you are going to crash your estro
The way you're running hcg is wild and I have seen some wild ways people want to run hcg because its a very debated regimen
First cycle is simple I gave you the link did you even read it
Why even give him a beginner cycle?
Finch SterlingLatro can be replaced with Arimidex however dosing of Lat can be reduced, running on both Test E and Dbol I will be having a lot of WR.
The HCG dosing I believe would give a steady lowering instead of jumping big gaps.
Yes, I have taken a read of "First Cycle" suggesting Test E and Prop, using Prop at the very end I think is a little pointless, I say this because it would not be best suited for me. I believe I can burn and become lean during and after the cycle as I have very high metabolism in general, which helps me to easyly burn exessive fat quickly.
AnonTraining 1-2 years? That's a pretty big difference of time. You've trained for one year and you want to run tren, and dbol for your first cycle???? Calm down and run test alone for your first cycle of your going to do it. Running tren and dbol is just stupid right now for you
bigmurphWhat is your diet like because you need to eat a lot more than you are for sure
Finch SterlingFor my current training I have sufficient dieting, however I have set a completely new diet plan for my cycle.
After calculating the factors of my cycle diet I will roughly be consuming:
Calories: 2785-3060
Protein: 240-275
Carb: 120-150
Fat: 98-132
bigmurphMy advice eat like that train hard and keep reading as much as you can so you can learn more because I don't think that you're ready to run a cycle you can put on alot more natty muscle. If you just run a cycle without a good base your not going to get out of it what you want and just going to fuck up your system for nothing once you get a stronger base and learn more about what you are thinking about doing then come back with a rewrite and ask for opinions.
Finch SterlingI appreciate your help,
I wouldn't really consider taking steroids however, I can't really say I am genetically gifted for building muscle,
bigmurphThat's not true read this
Weight gain
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/the-har...
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/ma...
This is written by a very wise member in my opinion if you follow this you will make gains you get out of it what you put in
Finch SterlingOk, I have now uploaded a self pic, hopefully that can help with your guys recommendation on my cycle, what can be improved.
Finch SterlingHey guys I'm trying to post a pic but I have no idea on how... as I am new to forums I currently don't know.
bigmurphPut it up as your profile pic take out your face
I think eat more and forget about tren as a certainty. You're 70 kg and 183cm in height, it's food that you need not gear and again definitely not tren.
TronIt's his FIRST cycle. FIRST. If he runs everything he has listed like that he's going to be in a world of shit..never even done test alone smh..
Finch SterlingI have thought about starting a cycle for some time now, and it's a certainty. The main reason in including Tren A is to give my body more leaner look, or as condition towards the end before I finish the cycle.
Just do it then and stop wasting everyone's time here. Sometimes you just have to learn the hard way.
Finch Sterlingas my first cycle this is what I have put together, now I have said that it is certainty that I will start steroids, but I have posted my cycle here so that I can make sure it's right and also so that I can have recommendations of improvements on things that need be. So, I will start after there has been good recommendations or suggestion of changes if needed so, and I'm not wasting anyone's time, I appreciate all the input from everyone, however you seem like you are wasting your own time by reply to this post without any valuable input.
I think you are missing the point here. No one is going to help you with a cycle because you are nowhere even close to being ready to run one. You need to build up a base first.