+ 15 I want to run a cycle
In order to remove any confusion, if you're new here, there are some policies and guidelines we stick to here at eroids regarding cycle advice. I appreciate everyone thinks they're special, you probably are, but we're different to the majority of forums. We like people who are intent on messing with their endocrine system to do it as safely, as responsibly and also effectively to maximise their results from taking said risks.
So, hopefully you've arrived here to learn how to go about asking the community how to start using AAS, (safely, responsibly and effectively - there's those important words again), ideally before you've dived in gear first and posted up "I want to run xxxxx"
Firstly, we'll want some background. Age, height, weight, BF%, training and nutrition background, any medical issues / medications. We'd also like to see a pic. Can tell a lot from a photo, but make sure you hide your face and any obviously identifiable tattoos etc. Please give as much detail as possible here. If we feel like we've having to prise information out of you, many will lose interest which ultimately means you'll get less help. Don't bullshit / exaggerate, we've heard it all before. You'll get caught out nine times out of ten, then your chances of help are somewhere between zero and bugger all. Don't dictate what people are allowed to say / who is allowed to reply on "your post". It's not your post, it's BFG's, just like this one. He allows me to take up his storage space if I behave.
So now you're ready to roll right? Maybe. Next is a checklist. Do you fit in to any of these categories?
Under 25.
Been training for five minutes.
Weigh 170lbs, with or without various excuses such as "I'm a hard gainer" / injury or "twig", (see Flash for explanation).
Never touched steroids before and are proposing running an advanced multi compound cycle.
Aren't going to listen to advice, "I'm doing it anyway" mentality.
Are going to be disrespectful if you don't hear exactly what you want.
Get upset when communication is "direct and to the point"
See steroids as a fast way to "get swole" yet don't really want to do any hard work.
If you answer yes to any of the above, chances are you aren't going to like it here. You may wish to rethink before you post that tren cycle you were about to ask question on when you're 19 years old and weigh 160 dripping wet.
Been through that checklist and you're in the clear? Made a decent base but unsure on what / how to run. Have a read around the site first, the post up. The community will go out of their way to help you to cycle SAFELY, RESPONSIBLY and EFFECTIVELY.
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This is still golden info. +1, and bump.
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RIP zyzz I feel like he could have learned alot from this lol
Don't you think you'd take into consideration weight for height or vice versa? 170lbs for those at or shorter than 5'8"is a decent size to start gear taken that everything else is in line with precycle protocol(age, bf, length of lifting,etc).
Obviously yes.
Nothing is obvious on eroids. You should know that. Having common sense can make you feel like an astrophysicist on here.
Not sure what you're getting at here with "you should know that"?
It's very obvious that a 170lb guy of 5-1 is a lot more developed than a guy weighing the same at 6-2. I don't feel it's necessary to explain every intricacy if people can't work it out for themselves.
Not at all arguing that's just my point. Some numbnuts will implore you for not stating those details after his rant on why he thinks roids are the smart way to go. Most guys are in the 5'8" range so a splinter weighing 150 will think his height will justify his weight when in reality it does not. Now the 5'10" class weighing 170lb...that's where you're point is solidified.
RustyhookerExactly why the vets demand full stats in forum. There's always going to be some cosigner out there dragging it down. Which is again why the vets aren't spending time in forums. Why debate just because some mouth on a twig is having a tantrum.
That's a sad commentary but so damn true. A good majority of first responses from a noobs post will be from a mod, admin or vet asking for the full HONEST stats. Or the op being called out for manipulating their previous stats. I want to pull up posts to LEARN from not to be again disappointed by the op's failure to follow protocols and the post goes down the shit bowl from there.
RustyhookerThings ebb and flow a lot on here and typically by season. Spring cutter and fall bulker typically holds many great forums. Folks are on and want that cycle to be great.
Tge folks looking for longevity and having many years of happy growth put in their time researching. Quickest way to research is click on someones name. Read their forums. And then read all the replies. Its the replies that hold the gold. The replies come right from that responders personal trials or there's added questions that build a bigger picture.
And when you're on one forum and responder posts a great reply, check their forums.
I think you're probably being pessimistic. Sure, there may be the odd one who is "that stupid", but the message is clear to all but a very small percentage.
In reality it doesn't matter. They still come in wanting to run big cycles with no base irrespective of this post!
Will they ever learn? Lol I think the next generation of users will be worse! Though I have to say the induction of most users are by means of irresponsible advice from friends. Interestingly enough they still manage to find eroids and want a different perspective which then credit is given. But its the asshat who forms a post ignoring the elder or average users advice ruins it for the rest.
Must have foreseen this guy in the future when wrote this:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/looking-for-a-go...
When I first got on here I had that I'm going to do it anyways mentality... even tho I didn't I thought about what everyone said and I'm glad I did. I ran a Deca cycle that at first I had my deca way to high couple dudes ripped me up I adjusted the dosage properly ran it and it fucked me up still. Total fucking shut down afterwards I even started to feel fucked up during the cycle with 2 to 1 ratio and caber for prolactin. My first proposal was along the lines of 800 mg text cyp and 600 mg of deca... Lmfao yeah I didn't know shit about deca or what it could do but I learned after running it 500 mg test cyp and 250 mg Deca a week... low dose but tore me up! I'll never touch a 19 nor derivative as long as I live!
I know Vike already mentioned this to you, but you're one of the guys that has half a chance of getting through to some of these youngsters as you've worn the t-shirt yourself, so it's good to see you getting involved. A lot of us are tired of it, myself included, and I don't have the inclination to be as tactful as maybe I once was. I have no respect for an individual that starts taking gear when they can ony bench 185lbs, it's just lazy.
I don't know man they seem even more stubborn than I am! That's saying Alot lol I'm seeing crazy off the walls shit like test prop npp and tren ace.... these damn dudes are crazy man!!! And not to mention the fact their tren dosages are through the fucking roof I've never touched the shit I never had the balls to use it. I thought about it for a brief period but said fuck that shit!
Just for the record, I'm not playing nicely any more. If you're a prick, I'm going to tell you. If you're stupid, I'm going to tell you. If you're both, chances are everyone will tell you.
I cannot even begin to tell you how utterly bored I am of "know it also", "kids", "tough guys" and general twats that are populating the cycle pages at the moment.
No more Mr Nice Catalyst......
And here is exactly wthe "type" I was thinking of when I wrote this in the first place.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-cycle-reco...
RustyhookerGotta be the same retreads. Pop up ip block and maybe things clear up. Lol.
Here's a positive. Young lad wants to talk about nutrition.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-loss/bulk-or...
There's still some brain cells in places. There's a lad that will accept advice and help with open arms.
Maintaining consistency is part of the plan, too. How do we handle the members that provide cycle info without following the new protocol? Should they get a red verbal warning with a negative? Should they get a PM with this link, or maybe both? Maybe hit up a MOD?
I know the majority of us cant control wrong info submitted via PM, however, if a new member seems mature and receptive they are more likely to listen and follow through with the correct info given, which will make a difference when we all gather in the forum, if need be. Thanks, Cat. Perfect!
Great post!.......... definitely Stickie material.
BUT!!!!!
Getting these fucks to read it is the problem.............. first thing i do when a noob avatar pops up is click into his profile then hit the TRACK tab............ Guess what?........... NONE of them have been reading any stickie material or archived posts ;/
Also i know for a fact there is some bad shit being passed to and fro in PMs from half-assed self proclaimed EXPERTS to these new borns........... thats got to stop too.
I do realise we are all getting jaded with the new rife lunacy..... but you know what guys! its NOT going to change........... unfortunately steroid use has taken a different track with all this new technology i.e... youtube, mobile phones, easy access to view and read pure bullshit 24/7.......... monster stacks advertised on source websites that i wouldnt even tell my worst enemy to run!!.
This is Evolution my friends...... get used to it, because if we just keep moaning about it we are simply Pissing into the Wind and will eventually end up losing OUR Eroids.
If a fucker chooses to do his own thing!.......... LET HIM... i personally no longer give a single fuck about the worlds failures................. FUCK EM!!!
What keeps me sane now is having a quick peek at a post and if it smells like any of the above ^^^^^^...................... i simply move along
Just read this and had to reply, thought it might restore a bit of your faith as I've seen what you mean about new members making the same mistakes, asking the same questions etc... and wasting the veteran members' time. I've been reading through everything I can before I pose my question and want you to know mate there are people out there that appreciate that you folks are putting in the time and effort to try and help us out. Down let the kids get you down.
I'm afraid whats going to happen with this evolution is that Eroids is going to lose its sane and sensible cycling mentality and just turn into another one of those fuckshow sites out there just encouraging everybody to run the biggest baddest stack that they can think of and giving them a high five for doing so. Then we have lost OUR Eroids. I'll fight a little longer to keep the current Eroids around, but it may go the way of the dinosaur, along with me.
Makwa much like Vikings posts, yours are among the ones which are filed away purely for the absoluteness of what you throw down.
The monster cycle, 3cc crew, yolo guys I believe will have no bearing on the future of eroids. They will pass like a fart in the wind. No attention to detail, they quickly hop on tons of compounds right from the start, bounce around like lunatics for a bit...then burn out and move on to the next "in" thing. Unlike eroids which ultimately is supported in the forums by guys who fundamentally live the lifestyle. Guys that day in and day out have put in the real hard labor under the weights. Guys that WANT it, and understand acheiving it is not a NOW thing. Guys such as yourself. And to the other real deal members that MEAN it that I may have not directly conversed with but are the backbone of this place, you know who you are! I hold nothing but respect for you guys.
The Mods as well work tirelessly to make sure the integrity of eroids stays in tact. This place no matter how many bozos cycle through will remain the best AAS sight. And as such will continue to thin the herd and be the destination for the future likeminded individuals out there! Just like the one Cat pointed out at the top
Like I said to Tron, you're 100% right about the not reading it. Just look at the number of people that join that post without paying any attention to the "no source or brand names" rule. They clearly don't read it, let alone wasting their precious time with this trivia.
Tonytulo sums it up nicely with 2 words....Natural Selection. Don't get jaded brother not even for a second, for every 1 idiot there are 2 we help and they listen.
RustyhookerYou've seen two great forums in the last week? Month?
The eroids commandments to posting a cycle for advice! Hopefully it becomes a sticky and hopefully its actually read....
Awesome!
thanks cat! great post.
also i will add if you dont mind- we are a safety first community, we don't condone or help people who abuse steroids, a basic example of steroid abuse would be- ive just finished a 16 week cycle last week, didn't get the gains that i wanted so im starting a 20 week cycle next week- this shit makes me cringe, and i know a lot of others as well, im guilty of being harsh- yes! but guess what- the drugs we take are harsh- we are not doctors or medical professionals- we can not see the inside of your bodies or read you thoughts- all we can do is go on what you type to us and hopefully guide/help/teach you the safest/best most affective approach in doing so- if you get called a mouth on a twig or told to get too fuck- your messing up some where, which means your health or safety maybe at risk- don't take it personal or to heart, ive seen dudes fuck up on here in forum posts ( some who now have adv/exp tags now) its attitude, take the advice, research and re-post once you grasp the input, it goes a long way- ive said it hundreds of times before, and ill say it again-
THIS IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT A NANNAS KNITTING CLUB!
its a steroid review website where you can learn all there is to know about this game if your willing to listen and abide by the sites simple rules!
GOOD LUCK!
Damnit (puts away his recently purchased knitting kit.)
RustyhookerPerfect for posting link onto lost newbs forums. If they cant read, why help?
TronThat's the problem though..they aren't going to read it anyways if it's more than a few words long lol. You post this under a newbs forum he'll post another forum asking what was wrong with the first forum. People don't want to do any work..read..anything these days. People are fucking lazy man lol..well, at least this newer generation.
I wish I disagreed, but we'll know you're 100% right.
Kind of agree, but still, if there's 1/10 who actually reads it, wouldn't that already be a help for us and for them as well?! If we add this up over the course of months and years it could make a difference.
Of course, most of them won't do shit and just post right away but yeah...
I agree with the lazy comment, but I also think that there are a lot of illiterate people in this world with little to no reading comprehension skills, and I'm not referring to the language barriers. That part is understandable. I mean your average run of the mill moron that functions just high enough to get by in society.
RustyhookerAgree. Another reason I'm not posting much info. Anything of substance is tossed for the gtg.
Time...a four-lettered word that is not profane, but can hurt just as bad. Believe it, or not, it takes time on everyones part to be thorough. If the member wanting cycle advice isnt willing to wait for advice, and/or put the time in needed, then we have done all we can...proof is in the documentation...we should all be hesitant when advising, especially when more info is needed prior to administering AAS.
Thumbs up brother. Well said and like your "direct and to the point" post.
bigmurphThis should be the immediate thing that pops up on the screen right after you create an account its basically perfect.
A+ +1
Nice catalyst and im not kidding either if we can get this or something like this as a welcome message when someone creates an account i think that things will go alot smoother.
Just decided instead of moaning about it, (which I've been doing a lot of recently), I'd try and help alleviate or even solve the problem.
bigmurphWith your karma the mods would listen to you I imagine and many members will back you on this I just spoke with pericu he thinks the same
JoneDoeOmg five mins!!!
Hear hear!
Well said and immediately saved as favs and ready to share!!
bigmurphThis should be the new welcome message as soon as someone creates an account or at least something along these lines and hopefully it will solve alot of the problems everyone has been talking about
That's s great idea! It'll cut out the bullshit before it starts
bigmurphThats the truth catalyst has a good write up here i think the mods and bfg should at least consider it
Even if they want to rewrite it something like this is a good addition to the site
Totally!
I'm still a big proponent of the "admin message approval" until you reach a certain karma lvl