+ 3 Lets talk about a alternitave way to use TNE or Suspension
I have read and talked to a lot of guys that use TNE or suspension as a pre work out only, let me suggest a alternative way to get the most out of this compound. I have used this every which way till a teammate of mine several years ago turned me onto a different way of using this. I use TNE right before my biggest two protein meals of the day and for me that's usually lunch and dinner where I consume a small cow or two. once I started to inject the hormone this way I noticed my gains was improving and not just wasted as a little boost in the gym ( I think for most that's just in peoples head). some people may say Gym your wrong but ive done a lot of reading and from my personal experiences with using it this way I feel it helps really give a boost in protein synthesis when you have that big meal, I look at it as putting jet fuel in the dragster I can just vouch from my personal experiences that it works that's all... but hey just wanted to drop a little of knowledge and a alternative for you folks.
unless your very experienced with using aas and have a damn head on your shoulders do not use this sides can and will get out of hand fast if you don't use it right. this is not for everyone nor will I be held liable if your grow bigger boobs than me.
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Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/h20-based-testosterone...
. Engineereddisaster • Fri, Dec 28th, '12 09:44 • 70 replies, 3099 views
As some of you may know, I'm a water based Testosterone Suspension Junkie. I love everything about it. I love the way it makes me feel. I love to use it as a pre-workout, I love that it is the strongest Testosterone available. I love that I feel it immediately upon injection.
That being said, I found an interesting article on Test Suspension. Tests were run on 20 thoroughbred racehorses with water based suspension and it was determined that the median terminal half life for water based suspension was 39 hours. What ED? That's bullshit. There isn't an ester attached to suspension. No my friend there is not. However, the solids in the suspension take time to dissolve.
What I found incredibly interesting about the test is the fact that one week later testosterone levels peaked again.
Whatchoo talkin' bout Ed?
That's right kids Test levels came back up to another kick ass peak similiar to the initial peak. This secondary peak was attributed to the dissolution of testosterone from the solid material in the suspension.
What they found with the suspension was that it actually took around a month for the shit to work its way completely out of the system of the horses.
So what's the point Ed?
My point is this.
First, If you are running water based suspension alone, you could probably run it ED and keep test levels stable if in fact the half life is mimicked in humans as it is in horses.
Second, If you are running water based suspension in your cycle, it may be a good idea to plan ahead. Don't be thinking that you can take water based suspension and one week later pass an athletic drug test .
Finally, I think a secondary peak of testosterone is kick ass. However, I think stability is important. You probably shouldn't bank on stability if you are running water based suspension.
Just my two cents. I could be wrong. I welcome any input.
Also, I don't think that TNE would give the same result. The Testosterone is dissolved and In my opinion would exit the system much quicker. Which may also give a testosterone crash that you don't get with water based suspension.
This is the study if you are looking for an interesting read:
http://www.rmtcnet.com/resources/An_interlaboratory_study_of_the_pharmac...
I welcome any input or thoughts on the subject. I by no means know what the hell I'm talking about. So other input would kick ass.
All my love, no homo
Ed.
Good post GJ. Obviously you would still run test e or something of the like as a test base. Using this method would you lower your base dose or leave it the same?
A lot of good info that's coming out thanks for everyone participating this is what eroids is all about right here..
I did this last winter (but only one meal a day) and got very good results!
my question is: we are assuming if youre using this protocol you would be on cycle correct? and also that the TNE is not he base of your cycle (i.e. using an esterfied test [ enanthate, cypionate, propionate ect.]) along with other injectables or orals. would the boost in protein synthesis by a surge of un-estered testosterone really give that much more of a boost to make it worth while? seeing as protein synthesis is already elevated by the other compounds already floating around in your body. if you swear by it, i believe you and might try it. but i rather spend money on more test e, or npp, or tren and just run higher amounts of those rather than adding in additional pins everyday just for tne. unless the tne is free and im just experimenting
I honestly question the effectiveness of tne on cycle. The only exceptions I would see is early on before a high plasma level is achieved, or if the test in that cycle were a maintenance dose while other compounds did the work.
If you're running say 500-700 mg of test, and 5 weeks in, you have test levels of over 300, you already aren't using all of that test. It's being converted to dht and estrogen. We may block that conversion to a degree. I truly don't see us doing much with tne incorporated into a cycle other than pissing it out and gaining a placebo effect.
I've used it myself as a pre work out, and had undertimined effects. I can get in the zone mentally and get the same pump. The only time I really felt a benefit from it was using it multiple times a day as a front load on a short ester cycle.
Just my opinions, but I'm forming them wth my interpretations of the science behind it all.
IfbbmoeAnyone have an opinion on how suppressive it is to take tne? I wouldn't think it would be that bad if you just used it every once and a while but I could be wrong
PallMallInteresting gj...id never thought of using it for that. Definitely makes sense and the theory sounds plausable. Kinda makes me wanna try and do a real scientific type study and map progress over a month or so woth tne and without to see if i could quantify the benefit..
StevebTNE preworkout and GHRP6 post workout.
Not a fan of using pre workout .. But tell more about the peptide what's it do
With how much you eat I'm surprised you've never used ghrp-6 or read up on it. It's serious bro you take this stuff and within 15 mins you're starving, painfully hungry. It could help you break the 10000 cal barrier lol, if you haven't already. It's dirt cheap to most of us can get a vial for 12 bucks and each vial is roughly 50 doses. That's just its side effect its main purpose is to stimulate the pituitary to release hgh. It's a first generation growth hormone releasing peptide so it's not as good as the newer ones for that purpose but most of us take it stiricly for the appetite increase not gh release.
StevebYou should try it right before you go to an all you can eat buffet. You feel gross afterwards though.
Well eating is not a issue lol I'm starved all day even when not taking equipoise but I'm running eq now and I never get full. I don't think I could afford the food bill running that stuff ha ha
Steveb20 to 30 minutes after you inject it you feel as if you are dying of hunger. You will be starving and can eat as much as you want. It also helps you grow and repair. And it costs very little. It will help you take in more calories than you thought possible.
I'm gonna have to read up on it ..
StevebIt also releases GH
RustyhookerYou also stacking it with cjc for the extra hgh bump? Shuttle nutrients faster or just for the foods bonus?
RustyhookerNegged here too
Fixed those for ya.
RustyhookerThank you
StevebThat would not make sense to use CJC with GHRP6. I think you mean MOD GRF also known as CJC without DAC. GHRP6 can be injected many times a day just like MOD GRF. CJC is only meant for twice a week. Do you use them?
I am sure he means CJC1295 W/O dac that would be ran alongside GHRP-6........... They can be mixed together quite easily to cut down on pinning..... commonly sold as a pre-mixed combo with many PEP sources.
StevebSources should just call it what it is so there is no more confusion.
I know nothing about peptides .. I've never researched them I have heard there just so hit and miss with quality ..is that the case ? What's your experience
StevebI've ordered peptides from different sources and they have always been good. The only peptide I felt some sources made better than other was IGF-1 LR3. I guess maybe because that one costs more than other peptides. But other than that they are all really cheap. I don't have anything bad to say about them. They don't cost a lot, they work well, and no bad side affects. My first peptide was GHRP6 and it's my favorite.
i no longer have the pep info since i updated my laptop..... but i do remember sending Darth and Ruzztee a copy!..... it was very comprehensive bro, maybe worth hitting them up for a copy (its all you will ever need)
I had that link bookmarked and then you may remember that site got shut down. Gone, without a trace. I truly and fully regret not taking screen shots and saving every page. That site was amazing, but it was so much to take in... It was amazing.
Edit. I'll be damned! It is back up!.
StevebNew info keeps coming out. It's worth reading up on them.
i do bro..... i was talking about something i had on my PC that i linked guys to for reference, but i have nothing saved on this new one, not a cycle or a meal... nada!
Most likely not the same link but another place I found all the peptide info well some of it
( http://www.evolutionary.org/ghrp-6-explained/)
StevebCJC-1295 NO DAC -100mcg 3x a day
HEXARELIN -100mcg 3x a day
IGF-1 LR3 -100mcg post workout or bedtime
GHRP-6 -250mcg 3x a day. 250mcg was the max I used.
Hey Steve, I was wondering whether you prefer No Dac over with Dac because of the supposed GH Bleed?
StevebTo use with GHRP6, definitely MOD GRF which is CJC NO DAC.
I thought there were other reasons for it, but that seems to be the general consensus across the web. That's not to say you can't run GHRP6 with CJC w/ DAC though, I've done so and enjoyed it. I may take a look at the NO DAC method next time.
StevebYou can run GHRP6 by itself. I have and it worked fine but it will work better with CJC that does not have DAC. PM me if you have any questions on it. I cam help with what I've used before.
Will do.
Thanks bro, the guys will see this and it gives a good start line.......... nice +3
StevebIt's something other people told me to do that worked well for me and was simple ro follow. I did not come up with it. Trenbolic was one of the guys who helped me with peptides and a few others that I are not members here.
I deff will thanks
i agree
RustyhookerCjc wo dac. With dac is once a week pin.
RustyhookerSince I got negged...heres my reference on once a week. Half dose biweekly would seem logical as well.
http://www.basskilleronline.com/cjc-1295-bodybuilding-peptide-dosage.shtml
Several pep sites show similar but having first hand always trumps. Which is why I suggested peps far below for further shuttling and possibly recovery
StevebDon't use CJC with GHRP6, use MOD GRF.
StevebMOD GRF can be used up to 3 times a day, it lasts about 30 minutes. CJC is only good for 3 days so once a week is not enough. Every 3 days is perfect. Have you used them before?
RustyhookerRan frag...liked its effectiveness. Cjc no dac was running 100 twice daily during frag use of 250 prebed. The cjc kept giving bad welts even if switched brands. Going to try different pin spots next tome to see if welts subside..
Hex I ran at 100 x 3 during and after pct. Held the gains and pct was nice. Less roller coaster.
I've gotten the welts running CJC1295 myself, it was hit or miss with me though. The further from the belly button I went I seemed to get them less often.
RustyhookerIll give that a try!
Very good points. Makes sense now why it works so well as a prework out for me.. I get up early and eat carbs, protein, fat 60,60, 20. I then pin (mix the TNE with the rest of my stack). Usually at the gym 45 min to an he later. So by this point the tne is turning my food into rocket fuel and I'm a machine at the gym!! Now this second shot of tne with second large meal would simple put keep the furnace burning. Again makes sense. my next big meal would be my 3rd meal. Only downside is that's a lot of pinning. Good post.
RustyhookerI do the same with orals. Especially when I ran dbol. Big protein and complex carb meal. Half life so short its shuttling nutrients.