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+ 1 concept of mega dosing, why people do it and how it is SIMPLY NOT WORTH IT

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I want to get this off my chest because I keep hearing how stupid it is (this part I agree with) and how after a certain amount your body does nothing with it ( this part I don't agree with, however the added benefits are too marginal to be worth it )

So unfortunately we have some frauds out there that are involved in scams (gh15 AND MANY MORE) that promote mega dosing,... PEOPLE, DONT BE SO GULLIBLE, IF THEY ARE PROMOTING THE IDEA YOU HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN, IT IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SELL YOU EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.

Now the benefits of a Conservative dose are well known, this is the bread and butter of where you get your monies worth. Its pretty much a NO BRAINIER.... So why do people go beyond this? Simply cause they want more, no other reason.

Now let's weigh this out correctly, how much more do you get from a Conservative dose of 500mg to 750mg (makes me cringe that these numbers in this day and age are considered conservative) to doubling it?

THE ANSWER IS 10%, That's it, a measly 10% for double the intake... Now is this really worth it? I mean putting up with the extra hassle and side effects just to gain 10lb instead of 9lb? for some it may be but for most it wouldn't be.

now let us go even further into mega dosing territory and see what we get in return, let's multiply the dose times 6 times the conservative approach, now the increase in return is 15-25%, how do i know? cause I have experimented with this and have observed the results of others.

SO DOUBLE = 10% MORE
6 TIMES THE AMOUNT = 15-25% MORE

ASK YOURSELF,, IS IT WORTH IT?

warpAqualung's picture

Just my experience: I started doing 500mg test per week cycles, then switched to 750 thinking gains would be still better, the difference wasnt even worth it, in fact i could barely notice any difference at all. I think 600mg is my sweet spot.

gensolomon's picture

This is very common believe it or not, thanks for sharing

Drloomis's picture

I'd like to chime in here if I may. I think the reason people mega dose (especially in US, my native land) is because our culture is all about more is better. The most expensive is better, the bigger house you have means better social status etc. Even restaurants have giant portion sizes to attract customers. My point being, this is a common belief that is implanted in the minds of many. So its natural for someone to think, hey if the creatine bottle says 1 scoop and it works, Ill try 4 scoops and it MUST be better. That is the logic some people have.

I used to think this way. I have had the best results and gains off 350 mg pharma test and 350 mg masteron. Could this be more determination this cycle, better diet, etc. It may be, but my sides are also less than usual. Point being, depending who you are and what your base is, that should determine your cycle. Ronnie coleman size dudes who have been lifting for 20 years, they might need 2 g of test to GAIN strength and size, not just maintain it.

If you are a young person, say 170 lb thinner body type, some say go big first cycle to maximize gains, but 10 lbs of solid mass is alot for a person that size and would make them look bigger and give them enormous relative strength gains. That would set him up for a next cycle with a better base to increase his cycle a little more and more from there. Who the hell starts at 2 g, where the hell do you go from there other than to heart attack city lol

We've all had times that 1 cycle was better than another, whether we missed workouts or broke the diet, so all things are relative, using personal experiences isn't scientific. If you had 100 clients in the gym and they were locked in and could only eat proper macros 6 times a day on schedule and only drink water and lift the same as each other each workout etc, then that could be a scientific experiment lol but sadly that ain't gonna happen so when i give you my experiences they are relative only to me, I won't say "man I love masteron, everyone should take it" because some guys might not get as good of results or they might want DIFFERENT results than what I am aiming for.

gensolomon's picture

Great info

solidman's picture

+1

--RP4U--'s picture

I've got some MMA friends who asked me for some cycle advice... I recommended a 50/50 dose of prop/mast. they looked at me like I was crazy but could not believe the results that they got at such a low dose... the more is better approach is marketing propaganda to get you to BUY more... Just like shampoo - lather, rinse, REPEAT LOL

--RP4U--'s picture

When you work out THAT hard...

Riiiight?! Not judging, just sayin'

Makwa's picture

It is what I call the point of no return. Eventually the sides far outweigh the benefits of increasing doses. For some that point of no return is higher than others. By careful planning and cycling you will eventually determine your maximum effective dose and no need to go above that.

https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/the-point-of-no-return

gensolomon's picture

YES absolutely ...cut his dose by 80% and he easily would have gained 3 quarters of what he has gained using that ridiculous amount.

Darkhorse777's picture

I can tell you from experience that once i go above a certain total dosage i grow like a weed but i dont do it cause there was a lot more side effects thats why i dont id rather be healthy ...the results were like night and day so basically i diagree ...the main reason to stay away from these higher doses is the sides the extra growth you get is way more than your stating like i said night and day

Pale's picture

Bingo. If you can make good gains without bad sides on a lighter dose that is a win.

gensolomon's picture

perhaps I am low balling the numbers but it certainly is not night and day unless you have superior genetics, which in your case you probably do. I see gym rats all the time gain a lot of muscle and then start going crazy on the gear and the added gain is marginal at best

bolt781's picture

I wonder...which I am now going to look into...just how much they administer to animals. Such as eq with horses and tren with cattle and such. If I had to guess Id say people use higher amounts than animals that are around 1000lbs or more....which maybe means nothing...just thinkin out loud so to speak...EDIT: Just read the typical eq dosage for horses is .5mgs per pound of bodyweight. So a 1000lb horse would be 500mgs...go figure...EDIT: So if I was reading this correct(iowabeeforg) the highest trenbolone ace implant is 200mgs...which is to be administered for a length of 3-5 months...not clear on how many times during gotta read more...already on the low end of most tren users providing they don't inject cattle with a pellet every day...

enhancedlife's picture

Hormones work completely different on animals. The response is far better than what humans have . That's why you see the difference in doses

bolt781's picture

I wonder why that is...besides the obvious of an animal being an animal...common sense would suggest a heavier mammal would require a higher dose...but when it comes to physiological aspects I'm no where near understanding...ehh...interested all of the sudden on this topic...anyways I'm a believer in less is more...being I did the more is better thing in the past. Felt like shit and had to counter all the sides with more drugs...nowadays just 500mgs a week of test and occasionally run a cycle of eq mast or tren with it...to each their own though...do what makes you content just don't get in too deep....

Bulkdaddy's picture

People only run higher dosages sometimes because there body is used to that certain dose I feel like.

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enhancedlife's picture

where are you getting these random percentages ? This post is nothing more than personal opinion with no scientific fact.
Also you completely forget about genetic response

gensolomon's picture

of course its personal opinion. I clearly stated it is my observation that doubling the dose does not double the gains but merely gives you only a marginal return and as I stated in another post below it is all based on genetics and my calculations are with average to below average genetics and superior genetics can see returns on as much as (and probably more) 5 grams per week

gambit's picture

agreed lets plz not throw #s around as if there is data supporting. if there is i would love to read
if not please reword.

gensolomon's picture

There is no data, this is not a science, observations and experience is all you are going to get. I understand your concern here so let me re word it for you. My entire point is this;

Introducing AAS at the conservative level is where most will see the most gains, by doubling, tripling etc the dose the returns are not doubled or tripled (that much is common sense) but rather marginal in comparison. You follow? So my point being is it is advisable for most to stay within the boundaries where the profit margin is the greatest and once it starts tapering down (the profit margin) then you need ask yourself if the payout is worth the extra consumption.

Very basic point here

gensolomon's picture

Your out to lunch my friend, I have posted with him sense day 1 back in 2006 when he was preaching anything less then a gram is a waste of time and he was giving people on getbig advise on 1 gram of prop, 1 gram of eq and 1 gram of tren with a handful of orals and said that was the only way.....You do not know what you are talking about

enhancedlife's picture

He said that is the only way to the very top ..

gensolomon's picture

lmao, someone up voted both your posts for sticking up for gh15, hilarious. I bet you if I went through your post history every post regarding gh15 is up voted,...You guys always stick together, like a pack of wolves, lol..

enhancedlife's picture

I up voted him because he's correct .. You're wrong . But there's no point arguing with you

enhancedlife's picture

I agree and my response to all of that is simply worry about yourself . I don't care what the guy next to me is using or how much. If that works for him and he likes it so be it. There's too many variables to just say this is how it should be.

gensolomon's picture

well what he is preaching now is irrelevant as he spent years preaching mega dose and the harm is already done. No I have never been on his site after we ran him off getbig and he was exposed he became a laughing stock

GrowMore's picture

Home brewing was pretty big back then wasn't it?

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bolt781's picture

I can say true with halotestin...ran stenox back in the day...2.5mgs a pill...they were insane...ferocious strength fast...

bolt781's picture

Sounds like an interesting read rusty... Im wishy washy on the receptor argument...my own thoughts on the subject conflict with one another

gensolomon's picture

seems that way but I don't know. I know pound for pound some specific gear back then had an effective you don't see today, hard to pin point why... Remember upjohn winny or negma parabolan or even some ug stuff like fina h that came in 33mg per cc but packed a serious punch

gensolomon's picture

indeed

iFit's picture

Not disagreeing with you just want to clarify. This info is based upon your observations and experience correct? If so, you leave out the most important part... When does this law of diminishing return take effect?

gensolomon's picture

That varies greatly depending on the individuals genetics, this is an average effect based on working with possibly over 100 people. Certainly not black and white, the greater your genetics is the more profitable it will be to substantially increase your dose unfortunately the average person would not benefit much more from taking 2 grams VS 1 gram, however there still would be a marginal return.

An IFBB pro competing in the high 200s would more then likely still be getting a return on 5 grams

showstoppa's picture

Each individual is different. I have seen plenty of people just starting juice that are extremely motivated grow off of 200mg of test, but most people are not willing to put in the work in the kitchen to make that happen.

But i also know some of those same people use mega doses because they have been off and on for 10 years now, so it all depends on experience level and dedication.

At the same time, a gram a week of test e by itself isnt mega dosing. Also some compounds require higher dosing. And one has to ask themselves, is it worth it to go through with a cycle and all that comes with it for only 5 or lbs when just starting out? Most would say no, i wouldn't but i am kinda old school.

But the number one reason people are having to mega dose now is the shit powders coming out of china since raw deal. It has gotten much much better in the last 6 months but still only some of the labs are putting out a quality product.