Makwa's picture
Makwa
  • 5.6k
  • CC
  • PRO
2948

+ 4 The Point of NO Return

ad

If you have ran through a few cycles you have probably all experienced this. You’re thinking ”damn this 500mg/wk of test e I am taking is working fantastic, let’s bump up the dose to make it even more fantastic.” Making it more fantastic is usually not the case though. What will likely happen is that now you are going to retain more water, you start getting acne and you start getting moody. You have to adjust your AI to compensate for all this and your hormones are all out of whack now, turning a fantastic cycle into side effect ridden cycle without any further gains. That is a broad generalized example to sort of get my point across that adding more gear into your cycle doesn’t necessarily equate to more gains, but can produce more unwanted side effects.

Now on to some real life examples that have happened to me when hitting the point of no return. My last cycle I was cruising along just fine with one of my main components being 1-test cyp. Solid steady gains (in this case fat loss and muscle preservation), increases in vascularity and hardness were progressing nicely from week to week on 500mg/wk. I figured “damn, things are looking great with this dose so why not bump it up to 750mg/wk”. Mistake #1 in that cycle. Not a good idea. No additional benefits/gains were noticed beyond what was happening with 500mg/wk, but I did start noticing a negative side effect. All the increased dose was doing was leaving me with hard large knots where ever it was pinned. It felt like someone put a golf ball in my quad or ass if I pinned it there and it would last for almost a week. Very annoying and uncomfortable to say the least. Above 500mg of 1-test cyp was the point of no return. Lessoned learned there.

Unfortunately I had another point of no return in that cycle. This time it dealt with the mast I was taking. That stuff was drying me out nicely and making me hard as a rock and the dose was perfect so I didn’t need an AI either. So mistake #2 now. I figured “why not get even drier and more chiseled, so let’s up the dose on the mast.” Well, long story short, I didn’t get any harder or drier, but I threw that delicate balance of using it as an AI out of whack. Now my estro is crashed. Not fun. I hit my point of no return with the mast. So now I need to pin some more test p to fix that situation and try to get back to normal and resume my original planned cycle and doses. A lot of monkeying around that could have been avoided if I just stuck with my original plan and what was working in the first place.

Hopefully you are able to find a moral somewhere in this post. I guess one of the main points I would like to get across to people when they build a cycle and a lot of other people have commented on it and got you all set up to go is don’t go changing it mid-cycle thinking adding more of this or that is going to make it a more successful cycle. That is why all those suggestions were given to you in the first place so that your cycle will be optimized when you start it. Don’t change it or you will end up at the Point of NO Return.

sic26's picture

I don't post really but this happened to me while doing ebc had goal was finishing up then I thought hey I chenge it again with mast test etc and ebc was finished knots lumps forget it my ass both cheeks had bruised up bad enough cycle was a long one lucky I came back from it my emotions was all over the place mad sad happy half horny lol wife had to slap me no joke lol point is great post I learned my lesson if its not broke don't fix it Smile

Owes a Review × 1 In a promo × 1
awagz's picture

It's easier said then done. I'm sure we have all at one time been impatient waiting on long esters, or like others have said started seeing gains, and get "the itch" and figure if one and one is two, then two and two must be four, but I have learned through personal trial and error it's not that way. Adding dose and compounds have made a good cycle turn on me in the past, and as a result, I always now write my whole cycle out, print out a calendar off the web, and fill it out for pin schedule. Kind of like a juicing checklist. Def helps maintain the discipline for sure.

In a promo × 1
TNKbugz's picture

Damn good knowledge. He hit the nail right on the head. I can't say from personal experience of gettn crazy, BUT I was literally about to up my cycle dose just because I'm already seeing kickass gains.

He said it best though. If it ain't broke don't fix it lol

Makwa's picture

Keep rolling with your current cycle. You are making crazy gains. If things plateau, look at adjusting your diet and you should be able to keep the gains coming.

Drop-set's picture

I've said it before..based on my own experience, the human body can only utilize so much test. Go past that and you are wasting gear and increasing sides. I know what my limit is, and can speculate that a lot of people get carried away.

tonytulo's picture

I don't know about most of the fellas but I'm all set with pinning more mls smfh, I'm good with adding more and more, I hate pinning the shit I have to... Let alone upping the dose every other week lmfao. I use more site injections than carters got pills just to stay away from scar tissue 80% of them I can't reach anyways and need help injecting. So no I stay away from upping the dose. I've buried a few friends in the past who were balls deep in contest prep who thought if 1 was good 2 would be great and 5 would be the best. Throw off potassium levels, over dehydrate , mess with serious diuretics and before you know it game over. My blood pressure is high enough I don't need to add to it.

Catalyst's picture

A good friend of mine that I train just won a prestigious show. Three days after the show she was in intensive care. Turns out the doses and protocols etc. I set out for her contest prep were doubled, tripled, added to etc by her. Her 15 year old daughter isn't enjoying watching the state "mum" is in.

j1980's picture

That is absolutely heart breaking. Sending prayers their way as I type this. Sadly this happens all too often.

iFit's picture

Agreed. Returns drop dramatically for me after a certain dosage but the sides and obviously health risks do not.

Pale's picture

I have honestly never done this. I stick with my dosage from front to back, I know this blast has one more week and then I am more than ready to just cruise.

Makwa's picture

At least someone has some common sense to stick with the plan.

Catalyst's picture

Great post mate. We've all done it and experience tells me in the majority of instances you're better off investing those "tweaks and improvements" into our first and training schedules.

If you're winning on a cycle, don't try and fix wasn't isn't broken.

Makwa's picture

I saw more changes on diet and cardio manipulation than any amount of drugs could have made up for. Learned a good lesson here so hopefully others will too. At least everything turned out Ok in the end.

Catalyst's picture

You turned out better than ok for that comp fella, you were conditioned real sharp and you worked hard for it.

Why the hell did "diet" end up as "first" in my above post? Poxy autocorrect.