posted Sun, 06/16/2013 - 13:09
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To aspirate or not to aspirate?
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Recently I pin and forgot to aspirate, I spoke to a couple gym vets and some mention that they have never aspirate. So I started to wonder how many of us actually do it. I understand the reason behind aspirating, but as most know after pinning a bit that your body will let you know when you hit/cut a nerve. Not to mention the addtional scaring one does when aspirating.
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The CDC advises against aspirating for IM injections.
http://www.nnpnetwork.org/Uploads/EBP%20aspiration%20poster%209%2025%201...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/D/vacc_ad...
To aspirate is a must - Too risky to neglect it.
Why should you aspirate? Two words: pulmonary embolism.
Its necessary Period !
i never thought it had anything to do with hitting a nerve, but hitting a vein and pushing everything into your bloodstream. i never did aspirate UNTILL i started using tren, i dont like the effects i get from tren when i do hit a vein, the tren cough some speek of could be the feeling of acetate hitting their lungs.
the sweating and sick feeling can be avoided by taking the time to aspirate, at least in my case anyway, because i never get that feeling when im pinning muscle, like pinning tri's shoulders, i never get the cough. only glutes for me, and my left side, many veins there. but it has been my practice to ALWAYS aspirate now because its the right thing to do, why half ass something that pertains to the human body.
thanks for the post.
B
I ALWAYS aspirate. Would never forget to do so. It's not so much the risk of hitting a nerve, how about hitting a vein? That's an actual risk that you won't notice if you don't aspirate before injecting. -- Yeah, I've noticed a lot of people who don't aspirate. I've seen Youtube videos about how to inject made by people who don't aspirate, so indeed, there are many who somehow aren't aware of how important it is. The additional scarring you mention is so small that it's nearly non-existent if you're careful; a small pull on the stamp/piston is enough.
+1
My schooling has taught me to aspirate for all intramuscular injections except for flu shots. Do not aspirate for subcutaneous injections.
always Aspirate always
I always aspirate. You don't want to inject into a vein. Ever get Tren cough? I am guessing it is froma small amount of the steroid getting into the bloodstream. It's an instant reaction. I find it quite painful for a just a small amount so imagine what would happen if a full cc or even 2 to 3 cc's were injected.
+1 for Aspirate. In ye olde days I never bothered. But now being a more sensible "older" gentleman I definitely think you should.
After a recent Tear in my Oblique I can still manage to pin my Ass twist (Very Painful !) and Aspirate so really there is no excuse.
For the extra second or two it takes, doesn't warrant the risk of not doing it.
Hitting, knicking or splitting a nerve has nothing to do with why you should aspirate.
You're injecting IM meds, it's designed to be absored in skeletal muscle, not IV, SubQ, etc.
If you don't aspirate, how do you know your not in a vein? The viscousity of these oils can blow a vein apart, certain drugs are hard on the cell structue of the veinous system, etc. It takes literally a second to pull back on the plunger, there's absolutely NO reason or benefit to NOT do it. It doesn't hurt, doesn't take time, can be done one handed, etc. Why are people not aspirating? The oil belongs in the muscle, not circulating through your heart valves and chambers in full oil suspension.
I'm not trying to sound like a dick, especially being new, but why the hell are people saying they think they hit a vein because the site jumped/jerked? That would be hitting a nerve, not a vein.
I always aspirate and actually drew up some nasty yellow fluid today. No redness in area or feelings of being sick. Think my shoulders have just been pinned to many times. Anyone else drew fluid like that?
Back to aspirate or not yes I would always to ensure your not in a vein. 99% of time you won't be but like he said below one time u go wrong and u will ALWAYS after that. And in my case you may find out you have some fluid build up and need to rotate the site
Happened to me once also. Could be 1 of 2 things. Puss from inflammation bc u pinned the area not long ago or also if it's been only a few days it could actually be old gear that hasn't spread much yet. As long as the area isn't soft, swollen and painful nothing to worry about. But rotate the places you pin more!
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I always aspirate. It only takes an extra second and a tug. Its worth it.
I've been pining for a while now my glutes delts even biceps but for some reason still get nerves in thigh I know that strange but it's bcuz one time just once I didn't aspirate on the my thigh I hit a vein i say vein or nerve cause my whole leg jumped I started to pull out needle slowly pain was still crazy then the blood came out I thought I was gonna die no lol my thigh got a lump I warmed a cloth and left it on there it felt better later but the point is I prefer to be safe then sorry. Aspirate
To be honest I never aspirate,never had a problem,,Shoulder and glutes
You must aspirate! When you pin, ALWAYS pull back. You could be anywhere. Veins run like tree branches, as do capillaries and venules. If you pull blood, withdraw and start over. The sting of a 2nd pin is worth not screwing up. Good luck!
Make it a habbit..just like swapping the vial/injection site with an alcohol pad.
Second nature for safety.
Hmmm, I'd say aspirate with a tren product, but in my opinion it's not necessary with other products...if you do happen to hit a blood supply with tren, you'll have an immediate reaction and start coughing which can be quite horrible and scary...it goes away fairly quick but still, not the best of experiences...
You should alaways aspirate before injection. Sometimes the pin maybe exactly in your blood vessel.
Ask yourself this question. How many people do you know of that have died as a result of not aspirating?
I always aspirate. Actually have pulled blood before but only 2x's, but this was using peptides with insulin syringe. Never had this problem going deep with aas.
Always always always aspirate save u a heache better always b save than sorry ...
always aspirate, ive never drawn blood aspirating yet but i have hit a few veins pulling out the syringe
Needle was in the glute and just started to pump in the gear when, oh shit, forgot to aspirate. Wasn't about to stop and start over but that had me stressed the whole time. Now i say to myself over and over before i pin, remember to pull the plunger before pushing dumb ass or watch what might happen!
First time I ever pinned was in my quad, didnt aspirate and pulled the needle out and blood shot across the room and I almost fuckin passed out, needless to say I aspirate every time now ;) lmao
BoxjumpDuring the past few years, the majority of medical professionals have reached the conclusion that it is not necessary to aspirate before giving an IM injection. Not aspirating solves the problem of aspirating blood. Dangers of aspirating are not high in IM injections, since the injection sites are not near major blood veins.
This is for vaccs roids meds whatever. If your shooting the right spots you wont hit blood
personally i aspirate every time as a precaution, i rather be safe than sorry to know that i didn't hit a vein or something ,. besides it only takes 3 secs. safety first
Overall it's up to reach individual the how they feel. I only aspirate on delts now. Everywhere else l don't bother. Since I stop aspirating I get almost no soreness, another thing that helps avoid pip is warming the gear up.
Sirk1981I dont plan on aspirating either. As a former Paramedic they teach you to aspirate but when in the heat of the moment, when someones life was on the line, or many patients to deal with this was not an option. I never had any problems giving anyone an IM. IV, on the other hand, you would surely want to aspirate due to the necessity of substance needing to get into the blood stream as fast as possible, otherwise you would be giving them an IM or Sub Q anyway. So in my journey using needles on myself I will not be aspirating due to the possibility of the needle moving and hitting a vein anyway.... Just my $0.02!!!
Thank you Sirk we share the same concerns
shirlsguyJust an add to this note... me missus pins my glutes and literally about two days after reading this, drew blood... and a good bit. Pinned again and same thing... don't know if she hit a vein and the blood was just dripping, but to me... always aspirate... even glutes. I suppose if you don't have a missus or anyone else to pin the glutes, then it gets tough but main line AAS sounds a bit hairy to me.
If you shift the needle while it's in it will draw blood, but it's because of scarring. I did the samething last night
Are you using an inch and a half
shirlsguyYes, 23g. I go 1.25 (23g) quads and delts and 1.0 (25g) in pecs. First time ever getting blood on the aspirate, but at 3ml a hit, that's a lot of coughing and sputtering, I am certain.
jiimytattoo75well one time i didnt aspirate and holy hell couldnt breath right and starting coughing and felt funny and now i aspirate everytime
On a side note I pinned my outer tri with a Cc and didn't get too much pip but did get this big red spot the size on the muscle itself. I figured it was because I injected too fast because I have never gotten that before
shirlsguyCongratulations guys... you have just given me cause to read some articles all day long. Right now I aspirate always and just pinning 'through' a vein makes me feel like shit for a couple quick minutes. Can anyone give me more on the 'scarring' mentioned through aspirating? I have not heard that yet.
Usually tissue scarring will occur due to the movement the needle is making when one is trying to aspirate in a self injection. I'm sure there are vets here that may better explain scarring. In my case I tend to shake while pinning and at times the needle does move quite a bit if I attempt to aspirate. Lately I only aspirate delts, tri's and bi's I'm use to thigh so I pretty much go by feel same with glute.
Off topic question about delts, does anyone else draw blood when removing the pin? I draw enough to do up the bandaid. I always wonder if I'm hitting the right section because of it. I haven't had any issues but I'm use to my lower body where at times I don't draw anything when removing the pin.
I think this is extremely common. It happens to me even when pinning glutes. I try to hold the plunger down slightly when im removing it, that seems to help. A little blood won't hurt anything unless you're leaking oil out. And I always apply pressure after pinning to prevent blood/oil loss.
Thanks Swole I'll be trying it out to see if that helps. I do leave the pin in for at least a full minute and a half just to give it time to spread
Z track method is most effective when doing IM injections for keeping product in. Google it if you'd like!
No1I do it just because its easy and doesnt take but a second
I shake for some reason so it's hard for me to asparate plus i feel with the needle moving it leaves a bit of soreness
Sorry Double post
Anyone in the medical field will tell you aspirating is old practice. With that said I still asperate in some loactions.
Yeah I was having tetanus shot or something like that a few months ago and the nurse literally stabbed and injected and withdrew the pin so fast like 3 seconds from the second she took the cap off to the withdrawing the needle. She didn't aspirate or anything. It worried me because the delt has big artery in it.
I asked why she didn't aspirate and she said "oh I don't need to"
smh
Lol