+ 1 whats the fuck is up with the novice ????
Is it only me or have you all noticed the cycles being posted lately ??
Smh I dont understand 90% of these members are novoice lifters as I am ,
DIET IS THE DECIDING FACTOR IN A CYCLE , NOT THE COMPOUND!!!
I cant help myself here I see cycles like ,4 weeks test , mast dbol, next 4 this this that you know what im saying , what the fuck is wrong with . Plps heads ????
I want to fucking bulk ill run sust and dbol and eat my ass off or for others dbol test e . Or test e deca , and eat to bulk . I have 3 cycles I run and there 2 compound , npp sust and tren a / prop , and I eat to my goals . If your not on stage and have no plans on going on stage , why the hell run 6 differnt compounds in a cycle . And this shit is everywhere , not just here . Members are getting lazy there getting spoon fed , and im sorry its aggregating. I use to love coming to the sites , you the simplest cycles and maybe someone need help , because they didnt know , what was wrong with there estro , and they either tanked it or , elevated , or just basic courtious shit , now I see posts , like I got sust and dbol what do I do now ..come on man , wtf is going on , and its everywhere .this is something members are supposed to personalize , research know the compound your running , have your aas , and that includes ais and your pct , YES pct this is part I of your cycle , a d you should have it , not say im 3 weeks in on 4 compounds , what you think I should get for pct , smh oh ya and by the way I lost my libido , my dick dont want to work , well im running anadrol , npp, test. And i figured id cut so I added tren a in there , well my friend have you ever heard of a 19 nor , WELL YOUR RUNNING 3 WITH NO , DA ,
this isnt a rant this is the truth , this is whats happening ,second cycle tren , and Idk noone is going to tell me a mature man , Idc if your 20 or 40 ,a mature man a responsable man will not do this , you have to have the mind of a child , to post shit like I been seeing .
Honestly I use to love the sites , I truly took pleasure in sharing my experience with compounds ive run , my gains , my losses , oh hell yes my losses I fucked shit up and lost , but im a man I use to love this (sites ) I kept it real so someone else in my position , didnt have to fall victim to my stupidness , but its sad to say the enjoyment , of the sites is gone , fuck we use to come on bust it up laugh , show our progress , andnor fuck ups . But shits changing just dont feel the same .
And bbers , yes there running mega compounds, and you know what I use to enjoy looking at there posts , and seeing there progress , but for gods sake I never tryed to run one of there cycles , why would I im not on stage , why am I gonna spend that type of money , on compounds when I can run 2 yes 2 and hit my goals ..and the power lifters , I loved seeing there runs , anadrol , deca , test , ets you know ,and for strenght I might experiment to get my strenght up , but it was a few simple compounds ..
Example , my wifes daughters husband was in from , rico, he took first in 2 comps , and you know what , no aas up aginst aas , yes true , because he told me so many would use the winstrol and this and that (im no bb and no cutter , so idk) and the language barrier , he spoke no english and mine is shaky , but he told me hey you know my winstrol , im like ok now were talking :)) FOOD ! !! my daughter in law said yes I know I prepped his food ed . So yes this is a long post from a member thats been everywhere for a while , why be someone your not ??? Bb.and on stage yes you need all them compounds ,up aginst aas . But bros be who you are .run smart not stupid and be part of the solution not the problem . Things have changed , maybe I dont know anyone else feel this way hey just me man
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I want to thank everyone for so many good responses , I mean that , hopefully some brothers actually see here that it really isnt the compound , its the diet and goal behind it , fuck like I said a bb , has to put himself through such a fucking rigours routine , starting with diet , ending with diet , training and im guessing , to get stage ready , what ,4 or 5 hours a day ??? And I can see the need for all the compounds , but for gods sake if your like me , want to turn a few heads , have the wife proud to walk through the mall with you , or even. Be the college , head turner , ( not me , those days gone ) you dont need all this crazy shit .. now if your goal is to be on stage , thats a exception , but I can say with most certainty , the majority of these off the wall cycles are from plp , just like me , young and old , and my question Is why ?? Ok your 20-22 25 now , you feel the need for aas , I wont take that from you, because if I was ,22 -23 and had access to all this when I was a younger man , would I have used problely but use to your goals im out pege ps , you can accomplish this by keeping it very simple I promice , goddam im near 50 , I got a cycle coming 2compounds , I will post before , holding a newspapaer , usa today and I will finish doing the same , I say no more thempics will talk , and if I can do that at near 50(I dont want to say 50 yet lol) a 25 -30 35 year old cant . If not your fucking lazy to keep it real now im out pege
Pege, I totally understand your frustration. Here's the reality of it all. People use steroids for different reasons, a lot of them shouldn't be doing it but it's "easier" or "faster" that way. I've had sixteen year olds ask me how to use tren, I've had 300lb lumps of lard do the same. They both want to use it. In my eyes, they're both twats and making awful decisions. They don't have the same goals, family, work life etc so their decisions are different.
It's been said before, but this isn't a hardcore BB'ing site, so there are a mixture of people here. Nitti posted something a couple of months back showing how diverse the demographic is here. With that comes very different types of people with different knowledge bases and pools of information. In our younger years we didn't have the Internet, so it was much more difficult to obtain information about how things "should be done". Now, there's almost dare I say too much.
Frustrating sometimes to watch, but you won't change it.
Thanks man , its dam the simpelest of cycles can give you the biggest gains if diet and training are in check , my hearts in the right place , I need to put the blinders on I guess because , I hate seeing plp do shit to there self , that aint needed , and sometimes it bothers me , hard to beleive from a 20 year con ha , ty friend
It's because you care mate, that's an admirable trait. You can't save 'em all......
StevebI don't know why people take Winstrol or Clen if they do not compete.
Thats a great question stev , why ? I just recently seen a guy ,55 at that way over weight , want to take clen , and shit , why ?? Go on a fucking diet , get some discipline in your life , I will keep it real the last 6 weeks I totled a f350 head on into rocks and trees , tweeked back good , and just had , a cyst cut out 5am of my leg , like a golf ball( not gear related ) I was.on cycle when this happened , I lost everything , and some from pain , stress not eating not being able to work out , ok im getting better so what to do , jump right on tren and prop agion blow up get it back , FUCK NO!! what im doing now is learning how to eat agion because I couldnt , so im trying to get my body nutritionionaly right first , weight up etc , then I want my muscle memory to kick in and get back where I was , then ill run but until then , its a waste , im rambling thanks steve appreciate the responce
Fucking bro science and rich piana vids make them think it all makes sense lol.
RustyhookerWe could all join up a 3cc bro club. Fried in no time. And look pretty for Gnc ultra whey.
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I'm with you on this. Follow the money and you'll still not find the truth.
No offense but how you gonna question rich piana? Hes 6ft 300lbs Dude looks the part. Generics don't get you to 300lbs with abs. Years of dedication sacrifice, consistency drugs do. And he learned everything from trying it himself. Not beccaus he read on the internet that the minimum dose of eq is 600mg ew like all you guys who talk shit did. It was all trial and error with him and he learned it all experimenting on his own. Once we achieve what he has then MAYBE we can talk shit. But even then I still wouldn't cause I'm not like that
I am quite sure Rich's insides don't look nearly as good as his outsides. I, myself, am under no delusions of what happens when we go unchecked, get caught up in the damaging psychological obsession of "perfection", and the he "juice junkie" fears of "getting small" and the ever popular ignorance of "it won't happen to me"
A burnt Axis is an almost certainty for most of you... Heart, liver, kidney and thyroid issues are very real possibilities for those who abuse steroids (especially those that do not recognize that is exactly what they are doing) I could list the BB's who have past at a young age but of course all of the conspiracy nuts who are Pro-Steroids (as if I'm not LOL) come up with the "non-conclusive" defense. But we don't have to do that here on eroids, we only have to go as far as our own backyard: https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-tren-eq-...
This ain't no GNC here people, we are dealing with serious compounds that due to availability and access are taken with a much too cavalier attitude
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×2 hollywood , and that is my point , its sadI got into this but I did , and im novoice , plp use to know my story , long story short some perv my xwife hooked up with touched my girls , and point blank , I fucking killed him , and would do it agion tomorrow , but I gained the love of the sport in prison , it kept me sane for over 10 years stright , 2-3 times a day , but it followed me to here and now , trt led me into cycling , I was a ass , I was so fucked up it aint funny but I educated my self and I must have 8-10 successful cycles , not counting the Bad but I
Learned I dont need more than a few compounds , but to each thrre own they woll learn
Someone touches my daughter and I'd end up where you did.
Of course , what man could bare that ,, I know I couldnt it drove me out of my mind , to the brink of insanity , maslaughter I would have gotn me 3-10 ,and 1st degree would have given me I life or injection , the reason I got second degree is I did not stock , or premedate , I ran into him (yes he wasmout . On shit bail) and thats when my night mare happened ,
Let me say one thing tho , because this is a real fucked up world , and any man can find there self in my sisuiation .. and brothers this is as real as it gets .
my daughters were like 7 and 5 , when this happened , I acted on impulse , my daughters when they started getting olded hated me , why?????dont read no further , stop and run this through your head why , ok is deep lets say pissed off to the world at me ... why agion ????
Because they feel I acted selfishly , and you know what there correct , 100% correct , as I hate to admitt it ... Here is why my girls under went a ton of councling , and with my actions , MY pain MY hurt , MY anger , I killed thenmother fucker , I beat him to death and choke , but I shojld have thought about how bad , my girls were , there beef was , they were scared , they were terrified, they needed there father , they needed my love , my protection every night , end of story just something to run through your head if ever in this position , pege sorry and ps , I pray to the gods noone ever I is , it changes your whole life who you are , your thinking (prison)
The saddest part is that person would get what? Three years tops, if reported?
Probably.
Most things in life I could walk away from. Someone messing with my kid doesn't fit into that category. Some random guy put his hands on my daughter on holiday last year in a way I didn't like and my wife had to tell him to disappear before I made it around the pool.
Years ago John Romano had an interview in "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" where he said "Show me the bodies".. About 2:09 into this clip : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ijsygv5Zo
I think the body count has piled up since then. Maybe he feels like a bit of an ass for that statement now, but Romano has always come off as cocky every time he writes, so probably not. There are pro & amateur bodybuilders dropping left & right. Powerlifters, strongman competitors...the bodies are coming but everyone still has their blinders on. The intense training, excess drugs and excess calories (coupled with some poor diet choices); anyone who doesn't see the writing on the wall is in for a surprise.
I was never under the delusion that abuse would not come without consequences, but as the bodies continued to pile up, it's an eye opener. I'm all for hormone optimization and therapeutic use for anti-aging but the reality is that the majority share of users fall into the "abuse" category. When you're young, that just doesn't click in the brain. Hell, everyone is superman when they're young, nothing bad will happen to them. Then as you get into your 30s and 40s maybe you start second guessing those decisions as priorities in life have changed or health issues start to creep out of the wood work.
I knowingly fall into that abuse category but all the while I've given myself a time line that I would adhere to. And when that time line is up, fall into a responsible therapeutic use category and hope that I haven't done serious long term damage. The bloodwork, EKGs, echo cardiograms are there to give myself some sort of re-assurance...but honestly there just is no way of knowing what is going to come down the pipeline from all of this. "Cavalier attitude" may be putting it mildly and it may get a hell of a lot worse... or due to experience users speaking up; maybe it'll get better.
I'm right there with you brotha.at my age most people feel invincible, but not me. I knkw this shit is not healthy, and even with our bro science responsible use a lot of us are still gonna suffer some bad concequences later in life. I laugh when I hear healthy lifestyle and steroids use in the same sentence. But hey this is the path we choose. So one must accept the concequences. I have my plans to minimize the impact on my body while still having a little fun. Will see how that works out for me. Really sad what happened to that young man. It could happen to and of us, but we really don't know the details.
As long as we can be grown ass men about it...
I don't follow Rich, so this is just a simple question. Does Rich claim he has not used any of the top coaches in the business for diet and chemicals and even training advice? With all the money he has spent on chemicals like HGH, I would think he could afford a coach. It would be interesting to find out that he has in fact used several and now denies it to promote his own business. I have had the pleasure of talking to him in the flesh on several occasions and I think he is a better businessman than he is a bodybuilder. In my most humble opinion.
Rich hasn't competed in a very long time now. He had money back then but not like he does now. But no he didn't use any of the top coaches and its Somethimg he says he really regrets. He regrets trying to do everything on his own and not letting someone else help him as he thinks he could have went farther with it if he did have someone else helping but he was to hard headed and thought he knew it all.
That sounds reasonable. It also would be a reasonable marketing tactic that would propel his training, supplement and coaching business forward - "I figured it all out on my own - that's how brilliant I am."
I'm gonna ask around about Rich. It's a very small close knit club of people out there in pro bodybuilding and even at the highest ranks of the NPC.
If he's bending the truth to make himself look better - I would love to author an internet article - Rich Piana - EXPOSED !!
But, you must be right, because if I am right, someone would have written that article already.
I would totally agree with you about using it as marketing for his coaching and training business, but as far as I know he doesn't offer those services. His 5% company is just supplements as far as I know. So I don't really think him saying I learned how to use steoids on my own is gonna help him sell more preworkouts lol. But see what you can dig up
I have seen many Rich Piana videos and I can tell you that he does in fact train and coach people. He mentions that in several of his YouTube videos. Imo I wouldn't put it past him to use that as a marketing strategy. That's one of the ways he makes his money aside from the real estate industry. I don't blame him though. He's a typical business man.
Nothing like having a coach who struggled to be all he could be on the stage.... I just love it when people have coaches who didn't do well in bodybuilding , its like having a mechanic who half asses cars but you go to him anyway because he drives a Ferrari.
I'm not questioning Rich! It's these unexperienced guy's they have no knowledge under their belt or haven't put in the time look at Rich who is the real deal and just decide to jump on his protocol.
Ya but the thing is he's never really given out doses which is a good thing. He's said things like his favorite cycle is test tren anadrol, switching drugs frequently etc. but he's never brought up doses.
The real person to blame is bostin loyd lol. I just think he's reckless in what he says. To many young kids look up to him and all he talks about is these high dose stacks with insulin gh etc. you have a responsibility when that many people look up to you. I wonder how many young guys rigjt now are on 1.5g of test 900mg eq 750mg deca 8ius of gh tons of slin and a host of peps, all because he says "this is the truth" and " this is what it really takes". He needs to go. Hes gonna kill someone some day.
But that's why I respect rich and not Boston. Rich does not talk about does, tells it like it is. Diet diet diet, hard fucking training etc. and he almost alwuas says if your natural you should stay natural, taking steroid is a stupid idea. He understands he has alof of people who follow him so he handles that responsibility while also trying to help steer all of us gear users in the right direction that he's learned over the last 25 years. Now Boston in the orhe hand says training doesn't matter, diets kinda important but drugs are king.
RustyhookerAnother site boasts hard to these guys that they run several splits in a cycle. 4 weeks each. I like simple but then again so many views on a cycle.
I still don't see how these splits would be of any use, at least the way these guys are posting them. They are all long esters. How are you supposed to get anything out of only 4wks with a long ester and then switching over to a totally different one and running that for four weeks? I was kind of wondering where some of these cycles were coming from.
RustyhookerI don't agree with long ester splits either unless test is manipulated and shorts used for those splits. Longs never get into effect to exert the wanted changes. Shorts though for a heavy blast can but only if the skills prior to understand.
I got assistance to create a split of sorts with long bases. Full shorts is well above my knowledge.
One of our pros, he's not in here anymore but that's how he would do things. 3 weeks test and eq then 3 weeks test tren mast then back to the test eq. Sure you drop after 3 weeks but the esters are long so you benefit frkm them for another 3-4 weeks. It's not how I would do thing but it worked for him and he has/had one of the best physiques on here. I don't buy into test e taking 4 weeks to kik and deca 6 and eq 8 etc. you're anabolic right away. Yes it does take that amount of time to reach peak plasma levels in the blood but why do people gain 15lbs the first 4 weeks of a test e cycle? Well sure a lot of ot is water from estrogen but you need a high level of test to convert that much to estrogen to cause that kinda weight gain, so some is solid. So obviously levels are already pretty damn high right away. Not to mention nandrolone eq tren etc is not natural to our body, so any amount is gonna make you start to grow at a faster rate then naturally. Obioisly it will hit even harder once it reaches peak levels in the blood , but you're stil anabolic from that first shot. I think 3-4 weeks is a little extreme but hey he was a pro so who are we to question his ways, it worked for him, and that's what it's all about, finding what works best for you. These cookie cutter cycles are all bullshit and parroted internet advice. Experiment and think outside the box. I won't be a sheep. My bulking cycle rigjt now is super unorthodox, compound wise but it's working way better then when I followed the typical bulkers. All I'm saying is people need to stop being close minded. I'm not aiming this at you at all, justsaying the general Eroids population all has the same mentality and it's just parroted bullshit they read from someone else
RustyhookerI'd have to see that resident pro describe what your talking about. You're citing esters that don't even ramp til week 9....dropped in 3 weeks.
Hope that person explains that.
I'll give you a hit. He wasn't happy with his ebc placing. His account was among the ones who got hacked and he never came back after. But the dude had the pro tag. So ya you think those esters don't ramp till week 9 but how much eq do we have naturally? Zero! You're anabolic from day one. It just gets more and more powerful as plasma levels build.
RustyhookerTrippy. His splits before was a base with shorts and orals in or out. I'd hope to see him active in advanced group. Would be a lot to learn or evaluate.
You make some good points and I guess it could work for some people but it just doesn't seem the most efficient way to do it. Maybe I have the old school of thought burned in my brain to maximize and maintain serum levels to get the most out of the compound. This seems the most efficient way to use it and probably the most easiest and forgiveing for newbs. The real problem lies in who is posting these cycles where they are switching out long esters every 3 or 4 weeks. They are people with very limited cycle experience who don't know 1 compound from the other. It seems more like an advanced strategy better suited for experienced individuals who know how to use specific compounds for specific goals and can use them in their cycle at the appropriate time. These experienced individuals also have the nutrition and training knowledge to make these types of cycles work.
I'm with you bro. Plus I like that feeling at week 5 or so when everything starts kicking in hard. Seems like you would be short changing yourself swichiunf every 3-4 weeks. Maybe every 8 weeks makes sense. Plus I'm so damn impatient waitjnf for drugs to kickin, that whole 3-4 week theory wouldn't work for me. But it does work for others. I would 100% use short esters if I was gonna do that and I still wouldn't switch every 3 weeeks it would still be more like 6-8. I feel like side effects would be bad also switching drugs all that often. So overall I like the old school way of doing things. I seem to gain really well doing it that way and running a drug for 12 weeks or so
But you're right it always is the really inexperienced guys who wanna make things the most complicated. I'm not saying the most experienced guy out thre by a long shot. But the more experienced I get the more simple and basic and easy I want to make my cycles. Soon enough I'm going back to just test/gh. Simple yet effective.
I will say this tho. The body does seem to adapt after a extended period in a compound. But I've found very mild ways to keep gains rolling without having to overhaul my entire cycle.
Tink22. < that is a peroid, just saying.
Sorry about your frustration tho.
haha your absolutely right brother. if u want to grow, stuff your face, if u want to cut, eat less, and better. to each their own though huh?
It doesn't matter how many drugs you you take there isnt an amount that will get you big, or shredded without a decent diet. I could be wrong I've never tried I've always tried to keep moderate doses and eat right. But if there is a magic stack out that that I'm missing out on whee I can eat like a normal person and look like a god let me know lol.
Been the same since I got on here years ago.
Some people look out for the welfare of others, others endorse sloppy overdose cycles...
Alot more just come and go....