posted Tue, 12/02/2014 - 21:59
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+ 1 make me a gh (peptide stack)
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so seems there is one hell of a lot of people saying the hyges are just peptides stacks , i have access to pretty much whatever peptides i want , so here it is ive been running 10ius a day of hyge blacks #409 batch , i am very happy with the results but it bothers me that i could be saving money "if" they are just peps , so here the challenge people , make me a pep stack that will make me feel like i do now , i will run it and report back with my findings , thanks for reading broooooooooo s
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posted this on another thread but its fitting here.
the best, absolute best, peptide regiment ime is:
CJC-1295 DAC (yes, thats WITH dac)
GHRP 2
Huperzine A
EGCGs
protocol:
2mg cjc / week - split into 1mg shot 2x per week (or as much as you can afford)
100mcg GHRP every 3 hours (if tolerable, or 3x/day)
200mcg huperzine a & 400mcg EGCGs with everty shot of GHRP
this equates to walking around with an IV of growth all day long, i see great fatloss, roundness, hardness and shape within a couple weeks. anyone who wants to give me that whole myth Datbtrue gh bleed bullshit, i have a link to a study disproving that if youd like. cjc preserves pulsitity of the pituitary and is the best ghrh out there hands down. another study by alfonso leal -cerro compared exogenous gh with ghrh and ghrh/ghrp and showed if enough cjc with conjunction of a ghrp is used the concentration levels can exceed those of running 15iu of pharma grade gh. and because its your own natural gh not exogenous there is no side effects like gh gut and acromolgy.
yes, i have used this protocol myself. and it does work amazingly.
*note: i did this without running anything else that could potentially comprimise results. no AAS, PH, sarms. anything. only food, creatine, and protein powder.
my body weight increased but i looked tighter and leaner. i had more shape and roundness to my muscles. they also felt more dense and different. its hard to explain, your body just starts to look different. the change that increase gh gives you isnt like blowing up on dbol in 4 weeks. only really you can tell until other people start making comments about how lean you look or how good you look. i also noticed increased rate of recovery. i could lift more often and still recover. my skin looked better, softer, clearer. i have great skin to begin with but like i said its small changes that only you will be able to notice at first. they help sculpt your muscles rather than build. you dont gain crazy amount of weight, the weight you do gain i believe is mostly water retention from the ghrps. but creating new stem cells that can later be growth with AAS is the path to ultimate size.also i can attest to the localized fat loss in the midsection where i pinned. my waist got tighter and pants fit looser, even though i was up about 7-8 lbs on the scale. this is my personal experience with this combination of peptides, i am including them again in my current cycle. i recommend using this combo. if i could afford to i would run 2mg/day of cjc-1295 indefinitely.
I'm starting a tiny peptide run myself. If I can wing a good enough excuse for blood work that is convincing enough for my doc to write a script I will do it. Right now picked up some hgh frag and cjc w/o dac. Might run one more pep on top of those but either way I'm sure we'll enjoy the upcoming debate.
Some of you guys should do your proposed stacks....as long as they're safe and do before and after photos and a log...then maybe do the same thing with hyges or rips or generics and again with pharma gh (if your budget allows) I see a lot of guys fighting and bickering and arguing with mods...but this site is about testing and reviewing products and methods...it'd take a few months...I'm sure you'd gain a ton of karma and respect for doing so...and rightfully so...don't bicker and fight prove your point and help out the community
Iron_MonkWhoa buddy calm down
We're just having a conversation, dont beat me up
How about MK-677 (Ibutamoren) 25mg once a day? Its bioavailable orally, so no stupid pinning
Mk677 made me insanely tired and hungry throughout the day .. Also put on 7lbs of pure water. Wish it didn't have those sides ... Would be a perfect supplement
I am planning on starting soon. I really hope my sides won´t be that harsh as yours were. How long did you take it for?
I tried it twice lasted 4 weeks first run, and 2 weeks the second time around ... Use a oral syringe to get an accurate reading, a full flute of the dropper is around 1.5ml +/- ... The lethargy and demotivation is what really made me stop ... Really slowed me down at work, I wanted to just sit on the couch half the day ... Weird feeling, my laziness felt like a body high from eating weed. I would keep it in my mouth for 2-3 mins before swallowing ... About roughly an hour after dosing I wanted to eat everything in my kitchen
Thanks for sharing. That really sounds harsh. We´ll see how my body reacts. I am most worried about water weight... Did you notice any benefits after those 4 weeks?
sleep improved ... Skin starting looking better with a glow... Muscle looked full. Those are the first things I notice when running growth or growth related peps. It just sucked that I got all bloated and was sacked of any motivation. My face is the first thing that really shows any signs of bloating/water retention and sure enough I got hit bad with it. If you are really disciplined with your diet, or go hard on cardio everyday you'll probably fare better then I did. I might do another run and use ephedrine/caffiene to see if I can combat the lethargy and bloat. But right now im really loving cjc1295 w/ dac and dosing frag while fasted ... Only about 2 weeks in, can't wait to see what I'll lool like after 3-4 months.
Yeah you can definitely "create" your own equally powerful GH by just using a smart pep cocktail. The reason I wanna try Mk-677 so bad is that you don´t need to pin and you don´t need to refrigerate. You can take it with you everywhere and nobody would notice if you pull off the label. IMO that is an invaluable convenience-booster. I am gonna start next week with 12.5mg am for a week and then bump it up to the full 25mg dose. I´ve heard sublingual absorption works best. Did your sides ever start to fade after 2-3 weeks?
That's a smart approach. I went balls out dosing 25mg+ ED. At 4 weeks I was still struggling to get my ass to the gym after work ... So I stopped , it got fustrating.
I have a few questions man
FR sent
Iron_MonkAnd how do you know how do you know how my butthole smells?
You obviously run alot of peps but you ever ran pharma gh for 4 months
I have.
And ive run alot of peps and can tell you that with experience with both that pharma will trump any pep combo anytime.
All those peps and hup at those doses for under a hundo a month? That's damn good, haven't seen em that cheap even with the promos
Iron_MonkHahah check my pics buddy. I was just talking to irongame about this. Ideally. ..
Igf1 lr3
Cjc1295 w/DAC
Ghrp2
Hgh frag
This stack would provide more gains than hyges I believe and would be able to pass the Igf1 or hgh tests with flying colors while real pharma gh would score lower
There is ni comparison though
Imho........3iu pharma gh > 10iu hyge
IGF 1 possibly ... But you think this will hit gh serum in the high 20s or 30s at 3.5 hrs post injection?
Iron_MonkYes
you have bloods? Or care to explain how?
http://imgur.com/unGFUMD check this chart and see how the peaks differ
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Pin those Hyges 3 times a day and u should be good. Once you finish off your Hyges run these peptides and u won't be able to tell the difference.
Cjc1295
hexarelin
Igf 1lr3
Hyges never gave me bowel movements or flushed head feeling like cjc1295, and you quickly desentize to hex .. So yeah there is a bit of a difference
Lol and this is why your so sure these Hyges aren't peptides. Have U even ran pharma gh? Do you know what it take and how sensitive it is to manufacture real gh? I'm sure I'm wasting my time here, you probably have a big stash of Hyges and the thought about them being peptides is probably something you don't want to fathom. Look you keep pining those peptides and ill pin my serostim :-)
I think you've been right all along. In fact I know you have. Gear and GH are not the same. If it's anything other than Somatropin, it ain't rhGH. It could be a known peptide but more likely something of it's own. Kinda like the IGF-1 LR3 MS/LC testing results I've seen from Xhinese manufactures. It's something in between. Unknown. It's effectiveness is poop.
You are wasting your time arguing something you can't prove. I've ran all kinda pharma , genetics and currently using peotides. Serostim and Hyges are different quality products, but that doesn't automatically make Hyges some peptide stack. And you are saying the chinese are incapable of producing GH? Ever heard of Dr Lin?
Post a link to just one credible source about this dr Lin. I'll bet you all my kits of hyges you can't find one. I know cause I've tried. There is no doctor Lin.
Dr Lin?! Say it isn't so bro. Only info about Dr. Lin is on other BB forums. (misinformation) The Fermentation Engineer from 2004-2007 at Zhongshan Hygene was not named Dr. Lin. Now, maybe that was his alias? There is no true Hygene. The current website is hosted by a server known for counterfeit sites. The owner of the Hygene site sells clothes and maybe even car stereos.
I've been reading quite a bit about China BioPharmaceuticals. Not that I truly understand it. What I did find is some very interesting information about elevated IGf-1 levels. Using only IGF-1 as a means of testing the effectiveness of the rhGH administered is NOT the only testing done in pharmaceutical studies. Three separate test were done to approve a (follow-on) biosimilar.(testing the analyte) So maybe IGF-1 tests are worthless for authenticity of UGL GH.. I dunno. But I'm gunna find out.
Ok brother ... I call uncle, since I'm outranked by all of you on this debate ... And I love this site, not looking to lose karma or ruffle feathers. And frankly I don't even support chinese generics. ... The consensus is that these non pharma GH products out of China and elsewhere are not rHGH but an unknown peptide designed to mimic the 3.5hr peak, Igf increase and even fool ms/hplc analysis. shrug okay
Sorry bro. We are all learning. Didn't mean to sound dickish.
did u see the post about the 2 additional tests needed for GH effectiveness (IGF-1). Real study. Pretty cool. Elevated IGF-1 could be a "bro science" thing. Look into it. Also, the Molecular Weight is just the start to testing rhGH. Testing hormones and rhGH is not the same.
I highly doubt you have ran pharma gh anyone who has can tell the difference between the two.
I highly doubt you've ever ran a peptide like cjc or hex. And I have ran pharma ... Nords and Korean LG hgh
Are u done with this dick swinging contest? I told u I don't care what u think or do, you have no idea what you speak of kid. Keep this attitude up and u won't last much longer, this is your only warning
I'm done with this thread.
im not trying to upset offend or say anyone at all is wrong or right , im very interested in what people think and why , i want to run this very simple experiment not with bloods and that all but with real world feelings ,i do have a couple of boxes left but what i pay for them and the results ive seen ,no matter what they are i feel like im winning , however if peptides would be the exact same with being cheaper even again its a no brainer
Been there done that. Don't listen to these idiots who just regurgitate what they read online try it out for yourself.
Have you ever even ran cjc or hex?
Lol
know what your right , i can actually feel my stomach emptying about 5 mins after a shot of ghrp then the hunger is almost painful the longest 20 mins of my life waiting to eat , not felt anything like that on hyges
No shit bro (no pun). I've ran Pharma multiple brands, chinese generics, and peptides ... It's a world of difference. There hasn't been one single mass spec EVER in the history of testing generic chinsse Hgh to show that it had a GHRP or ghrh in it. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.
Why would they put GHRP in something that's supposed to be gh?
Iron_MonkBecause of the synergy with Cjc1295 dac
Kigtropin makes me hungry as fuck
Hyge gives me better fatloss
Blue tops from a certain domestic source made me hypo in one shot
And Genotropin givea me no sides at all.
Why if its all the same 191aa hgh do they make me feel different
Different pep blens and I believe kig has alot of ghrp2 in it as does riptropin which loada me with water bloat and I gain 5lbs in a week. Hgh dont do that. Ghrp2 does though in my expeirence with prptides
.just a theroy...
So you are just going to keep down voting me with zero evidence to back up your bulkshit? Classy
I did not down vote u.
Actually I did, must have been on accident stupid iPhone. Here I will make it up to you.
Appreciate that. Have a good night ... I need to go sleep off this Tren temper
hi bro thanks for your reply , i was running ghrp-2 and mod grf 1-29 prior to the hyges , was hitting it 4 times per day on empty , and waiting 20 mins to eat post injt , run that for a couple of months , gains were ok hunger was the biggest thing i noticed , but nothing not even close to how i feel now , this is why i wanted to try and ask what pep stacks would mimic gh and the effects im getting now ,
Pm me bro
FR send bro ,cheers
Ain't gonna happen ... Those bros don't know what they are taking about and most likely never used peotides. Hyges are not a peptide stack. Peptides give distinct sides that you don't get from exo gh, whether it's chinese "generic" or pharma