posted Wed, 08/13/2014 - 14:42
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My prep coach suggested I use dianabol and Anadrol in the same cycle. Not at the same time but something like this: Anadrol 4 weeks on then 3 weeks off then dbol 4 weeks on. Also running test c, deca and eq. Has anyone done this before? Think the dbol will beneficial mid cycle?
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38 yrs old
Training for 15 yrs cycling for 3
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the further you get into this cycle the less effective these orals are gonna be, you may experience some strength gains but i would suspect that will level out as well. I have ran D-bol late in a cycle and didnt see anything from it, later on after reading and talking to vets it became clear that my problem was that i didnt increase diet to continue gaining. I have not ran any other bulking orals at the end of a cycle since then other then as a preworkout.
Being that these are both notorious for water gain and estro sides I would pay close attention to running them in 2 week increments, keep AIs on hand there is a lot of potential for things to go wrong. Also remember to keep an eye on BP.
this really isnt something i would advise someone to run, but im not a prep coach or a BBer either.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Benny BlancoPrep for what?
His bodybuilding contest prep coach is giving him advice on a bulking cycle.
Benny BlancoI'm assuming he's not planning on getting on stage at the end of this cycle.
I just ran drol and dbol in the same cycle, the opposite of this though. I wouldn't end with dbol, you'll quite possibly finish all watery and bloated. I started with dbol to put on weight fast, and I didn't care what type of weight. Drol affects folks differently. I personally don't put on much, if any, water from it.
Everyone is different. Drol is a magnet for water for me and if I don't have my AI dialed in I get the moon face and the works. I've also finished many cycles on dbol without the watery mess.
Could OP benefit from administering Proviron during this proposed cycle?
Normally, I would say yes, why not? In this case I don't think he should add a third oral med to the stack. He will have adequate free Test to make the cycle successful without it.
Thanks GH...
I think this is what I'll do. I've never run drol b4. What was your dosing? Did u take a break between dbol and drol? Do u think 50mg drol good? Ty
Benny BlancoI've run it a few times. Started with 50mg, and I don't believe I've felt the need to raise the dose yet. I always take a break between orals, especially with anadrol. 3 weeks looks great. I wouldn't run it longer than 4 weeks at a time, and make sure you have some liver support.
I'll do this then 8-12 weeks cruise (hrt) then pre-contest
After a 16 week run, I would give yourself a minimum of 12 weeks, more if you can.
Deca:Test 1:1 ratio - have you done this before with no sides? I'm not gonna ask again. I'll check back later.
This.
500mg test c wk
500mg deca wk
600mg eq wk
16 weeks
4 weeks drol (wk1-4)
3 weeks off oral(wk 5-7)
4 weeks dbol(wk 8-12)
I also think I would spread the orals out 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. So wk 1-2 drol, wk 3-4 off, wk 5-6 drol, wk 7-8 off, wk 9-10 dbol, wk 11-12 off, wk 13-14 dbol. You have plenty of down time after this ends to deal with any bloat. I also, from a recommendation standpoint, would tell you to run a DA like caber. I know you have not had any prolactin problems as of yet, but this is a 16 week run and I'm not going to advise against a DA. As was recommended above, I would also run TUDCA as liver support.
Thanks for the TUDCA suggestion. I had never heard of this before but the research looks promising.
Good advice on drol/dbol frequecy, TUDCA, and DA. And start TUDCA before wk one.
Chris, please realize that EQ will most likely raise your hematocrit (red blood cell volume) and your blood pressure which will need to be closely monitored. You will need a mid cycle blood test to check for this. Too high a red blood cell volume and the "thickening" of the blood that EQ causes can create cardiac and other risks. We typically donate blood, some times double red blood cells, to bring down the hematocrit while on cycle. You must watch your BP. I use a script to regulate my BP, but there are many homeopathic remedies you can look up on this site as well as aids to reduce BP. So, from what you are telling me your previous cycles were like 1 gram of oils and this will be 1,600 mg, so a much bigger run?
Eq is something I feel is ridiculous to run. Way to many negatives for something that kicks in waaaay to late and has to be run way too long while possibly doing havoc to someone. Just my 2 cents.
It actually is a ~mild~ compound that is really the reference standard for a dry bulk. The bigger issue is that folk just are not in the habit of doing frequent blood work. If you are not gonna run frequent labs, I agree with you, don't bother with compounds like EQ.
Good advice. I had severe RBC issues when I ran EQ so much so I had to stop and wont run it again. The odd thing was that my blood pressure was my normal 125/75. I had always thought high RBC= high BP but such wasnt the case. So BW with EQ is a must.
Agreed...plan to drop a unit mid cycle and possibly post cycle...based on BW for elevated RDW, even if H&H is still in range, but close to the high end of the value.
I was debating weather I will add the eq. This is the protocol my coach recommended.
Well, I'm 37 and I compete and I have coach and a trainer and we all kind of agree that less gear is better especially on a bulker cause u know on prep u will be swimming in gear. So, honestly, Test / Deca / Dbol is the standard cookie cutter bulker and the EQ is nice but it's a lot. I didn't realize you were open to dropping the EQ. I would drop it. That stack is not unusual though so don't think your prep coach is getting creative at your expense. He's not. EQ is a mild drug, but I think u are gonna have enough problems with controlling BP on those orals that you would be better off with out it and shaving 600 mg / wk off the cycle.
I think your right, and I know he will want me to run the eq for prep, at least that's what he did last contest. And the high rb possibility does make me nervous, no lie. Thanks for the help so far I appreciate it.
What are u using as an AI and what for prolactin control? Have you run deca before? What are you doing for PCT and what are the dosages of the drol and dbol?
Arimidex .5mg eod
Run deca about 4 times before 400-500mg wk
Drol 50mg/day
Dbol 50mg/day
No pct I'm on hrt and have been for 6 yrs.
I've run deca and test w/dbol start b4. I've run eq w/test before never test,deca and eq together. No prolactin support as I've not had issues in the past.
Have you run deca and test in a 1:1 ratio before with no sides? When you say u have not had prolactin issues in the past do you just mean you never lactated? Or, did you run a blood test and check your prolactin level and it was fine?
I have run it 1:1 without any issues. I've never lactated. My prolactin has always been in check. Blood tests pre and post have not shown elevated prolactin
I've run drol by itself 2 weeks on 2 weeks off through a cycle - how long is this cycle? What are the dosages of everything your running - basically lay out the cycle so we can look at it. Thanks. Of course, dbol can be run and produce gains mid cycle. It seems like he's trying to avoid getting you desensitized to either of the orals, but what he's proposing depending on the amounts involved is stressful on your system and I think demands a mid cycle blood test at the very least. What are u using as an AI and what for prolactin control?
I had bloods done 2 weeks ago and everything normal:
Test 750
And estrogen like 40
Hrt is 150mg test weekly w/ .5 arimidex e3.5d
U still didn't answer my question above.
I am shopping with my family and do not have the ability to answer instantly everytime-sorry
No worries bro. I'll catch back up with you or someone else will.