-1 First cycle !
Could someone help me understand a few things ?
I am 39 yrs old
6' tall
228lbs
I am confused with the HCG Dosage. iu=cc=ml, but when I tried the HCG diet I used a 1cc needle. How much do I actually use ?
I am about to start my first cycle (8 week cutting cycle).
Weeks 1-6
.25mg per day Anastrozol
300-500 iu 4-5 days HCG
50mg every other day Test prop
50-75mcg per day Cytomel (T3)
75mg every other day Trenbolone
50mg evey other day Winstrol
80-100 2 weeks on/off clenbuterol
Weeks 7-8
.25mg per day Anastrozol
300-500 iu 4-5 days HCG
80-100 2 weeks on/off clenbuterol
Weeks 9-10
.25mg per day Anastrozol
80-100 2 weeks on/off clenbuterol
PCT
Week 9
40mg per day Nolva
100mg per day Clomid
Week 10
30mg per day Nolva
50mg per day Clomid
Week 11
20mg per day Nolva
50mg per day Clomid
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Can someone explain what is so wrong with this cycle besides it not being good for a first cycle ?
AnonIts totally off
But ill touch on the anastrozole (adex)
you do not need to take that compound every day. You will end up crashing your estrogen and u dont want that... no more than eod
Thought I'd already done this - it's not appropriate for YOU. It's your first cycle.
1 Tren is an advanced compound with lots of severe side effects. Frankly if you're not preparing for competition level physique, I don't think you should ever use it personally.
2 multiple compounds when you don't even know how you react to testosterone on its own.
3 You have no experience of using drugs like AI's and antiprolactins to combats estro / prolactin issues on cycle, learning about them whilst running all this would be very difficult. Mood swings, erectile dysfunction, all very possible and you don't know how your body reacts to these drugs giving you no way of knowing how to correct it.
4 thyroid medications are risky. Check out my forum post about it. I had a thyroidectomy as a result.
5 clen and t3 - you're going to feel pretty I'll.
Ultimately it's down to you if you're still set on doing it. For the record, it's a bad idea. It's the sort of thing young kids post up because they don't care about their health and the think they will look like Jay Cutler in two weeks. You're my age so I'd expect you to see the bigger picture.
Hope that helps?
Thank you for explaining this to me. In the world of these cycles it's hard to get correct information from someone at a gym or GNC or whatever. Everyone has their own idea of what works and doesn't work out on the street, but again. Do THEY really know what they are doing because they got big off of something? I thought I chose a good cycle, obviously I didn't. But, this is why I'm asking now. I'm kinda of impulsive when it comes to things. Again, Thank you for the explanation and clarification. I really do appreciate your help. Everyone has had to start somewhere with knowledge and it doesn't all come from just reading.
There's so much bad information around its tough for you guys. There's also a lot of irresponsible AAS users that take unnecessary risks that aren't a great idea for guys our age.
If you need help, FR and pm me. The guys here may seem like they're giving you a hard time, it's purely to keep you from running stuff you shouldn't.p
Let me know if you want any assistance.
How about spending a few minutes using the search function and answer it for yourself.
You're still looking for one idiot to rubber stamp this cycle and you won't get it. If you feel like you need to reinvent the wheel and find out if fire is hot, then by all means go right ahead. Smh.
Agreed!! Hey is there really blue cheese in the moon...lol???
No, simply asking why? Trying to get advice of why.
Effective communication requires that the speaker and receiver be on the same page. By starting your replies with a "WTF" or a personal attack you virtually ensure that everything else you say will not be received as intended and therefore you are wasting your time. We must realize that Eroids is unlike many other forums that give advice without regard to safety. That's what makes this place the best.
That being said, we need to be a little more tolerant and respectful. I 100% agree that his cycle is the wrong choice so we should politely explain why it is wrong and make suggestions. At the end of the day, it's his body and his choice.
In this case, the answer is really simple. He is just coming back from some serious injuries. He shouldn't take anything. Just get his diet and training in check and try to regain most of the muscle he lost. My Brother recently had a shoulder and bicep repair. Muscle memory is amazing. In 3 months of hard recovery and training he was right back where he left off.
Take some pics so you can gauge your progress.
Good Luck!
Thank you !
I didn't place this together myself, I ordered it thinking because it was already packaged as a cycle it would be a good place to start. My diet is ok for the most part. My wife and I have been trying to eat Paleo, but I find that I need bread every now and then. I e been getting info on protein shakes and I only drink them as a snack or small meal. I'm sure I could change it and make it better.
I believe it. Unfortunately, there are a ton of companies out their that will sell you anything you are willing to pay for regardless if it's safe or of benefit and I'm not just talking about aas. Think about it. Have you opened a Muscle and Fitness mag recently? I did for the first time in like 20 years last week. OMG! These supplement companies are making billions of bull shit claims and false promises.
Like I said, get your self back together, healthy, your old muscle back and then we will be here to help you.
This guys cycle is complete crap but now he knows it and he's been pointed in the right direction. He hasn't been rude and has admitted he has gotten bad info so why are we negging him? +1 back for what it counts and taking it in the chin.
Stick about buddy
Thank you
Super trolling...smh man..can't believe people like u exist with such lack of knowledge.
I don't think he is to be honest. I think he's just read some bad information.
@McMeanie87
Explain to me what you are actually saying. Excuse me for being new. I'm not on here bashing anyone or selling anything. I'm simply asking for help/advice.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/workout-exercise/sta...
Op's other post. Been out of the gym for 8 months after surgery. This isn't the way to "ease yourself back into it". Diet and training help I'll give you, I don't believe AAS use us appropriate here so the only advice in giving here is "don't".
Yes, out of the gym for 8 months. Had my front and back rotator cuff repaired, reattached my bicep and shaved my collar bone. I'm looking to get back with the proper exercise routine to NOT injure what I just had repaired.
Doing this isn't advisable. I'm recovering from my second rotator cuff surgery in a year right now so I know how you feel! (Typing one handed with my arm in a sling).
Pumping yourself full of gear is likely to make you feel stronger than you're recovering shoulder / bicep are, endangering your chances of reinjuring yourself. Drugs like tren are advanced compounds, really for those that have run multiple cycles and know how they react to compounds.
You need to trim down with a decent diet, get back into a training regime and take your time. Then, once you've cut some fat off, we could consider running a simple test only cycle, but not all this stuff listed.
Not going to get better advise than this today^^^
Thanks for the clarification and background. Agree completely.
This just seems too troll-is. First cycle with tren, prop, winny, with clen and T3 just as a topper!?! Then the OP says he's researched and this is what he came up with and can't see what's wrong with it. Please.
First cycles, regardless of your stated goal, should only be test-e/c, at no more than 500 mg a week for 12 week max. You won't get anything more than that here, because that is what you should do. You need to lock down your diet and quit thinking that gear is the answer to your problem. Show us you are willing to listen and learn and you'll get some help, otherwise, you'll be treated as a troll, which it sure seems like so far.
Agreed...
Ok, so first of all I was asking for advice. Excuse me for not knowing entirely. I assumed, yes I know the joke that goes with it. Someone at GNC recommended this site and said to check out the others. I was looking at a few if the sites and they all have similar 8 week cutting cycles. I thought this was a good choice , obviously not. But, I am atleast asking for help before starring the cycle. Everything I stated above is what is contained in the cycle package. So, I bought the wrong thing. My bad !!!
Look....Everyone here has gotten bad advice and has even done stupid cycles. Our point is are you willing to learn before you run this idiotic cycle or not.
Catalyst has the answers for you above. Solid advice that will get you where you want to go and safely.
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Too troll to be true
Points have been added to your karma!
I'm sorry you purchased all of that. You have 2 options: throw almost everything away(recommended), or try to sell it and risk doing time. Dunno where you bought that, but odds are your clen is high dosed ephedra. T3, dangerous. Thyroid hormones aren't something to fuck with unless you have doctors and are a pro bb. If you seriously need to lose weight and you thought this was a good idea, you need to work on your diet first, or else it will be the same as your hcg diet where you gained it back. Please do research before buying potentially harmful drugs.
TARANISGo right back to the drawing board ,,read,read,read,learn,take in some knowledge and come back in 6 months ,with something that resembles a first time cycle,there is plenty of people here who have the knowledge and experience, and been using sensibly for decades,
but bro that cycle is a mess tren, winny ,,clen,,,t3 ,,,madness,
where are you getting your info from?
Many eroiders are more than willing to help you on the steroid front and hcg ,pct front including myself ,so save yourself some major problems and learn more and get advice from experienced members,
good luck
Your goals are what we want to hear so no-one here can do anything for you until we get your full stats and what you want to achieve.
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I thought this was a safe cycle for cutting since most of what I was reading was similar to this. I've been doing a lot of reading and most have some version of this cycle. I'm looking to shed 20lbs and gain some lean mass. I've been hitting the gym and running, getting ready to start back with crossfit. I have a Savage Race coming in late October and a cruise in December.
TARANISDiet,diet,diet, its your first cycle ,you realize the shock your body is gonna get if you stick 4 or5 different powerful hormones in your body,tren for a first time user crazy,its an advanced compound and should only be used once you have done a few cycles,winny liver toxic and a one hit wonder for the last 6 weeks leading up to a competition,do you want me to go on, short version T3 FUCK ME, you get the picture,iv'e sent you a fr but the minute you dont listen that it , or just go ahead and fuck your body up,
not being hostile bro ,just trying to make you realize these are dangerous drugs you are considering,not just dangerous but advanced for BodyBuilders,
peace bro
just count the amount of compounds your thinking of putting into your body with exactly zero experience with any of them.
RustyhookerIt's impossible to shed 20 AND gain mass. Shed the fat first with food and cardio.
RustyhookerNeed input directly from op or we're wasting our time.
DO NOT RUN THAT MESS!!
We need your full stats and prior. That's mess will ruin your system and taking of fat.....your fried system will ADD FAT
Monk has got you covered
First cycle HOLY FUCK !!
Cycle = Wow... Slow down here brother, your in way above your head with serious compounds you do not need at this stage.
Quite honestly judging by your stats (I'm only guessing but seems like your body fat could be way above 15%, please correct me if I'm wrong)
T3,clen,Tren and winstrol are all out.period!
Honestly don't take this the wrong way but the aas knowledge you have displayed suggest your not ready for a cycle of any sort.
Diet, proper training and cardio is the base you need to focus on, yes no one wants to hear that but is the truth. You need these absolutely nailed down before entering the dark side.
Here's a wealth of info and experience you won't find anywhere else. Check it out
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Don't know if I've seen a more dangerous first cycle ever on here. What's going on today?
It's like they are choosing compounds like a pic and mix at a sweetie shop. Idk bro, if we keep on top off it at least some might listen and learn, save themselves from serious harm.
This was the 8 week cycle that many sites recommended, I bought this as a package. I've been working out and dieting, but I can't seem to cut down. What exactly is wrong with the cycle above ?
It's simply a list of drugs put together because they are all know for a slimming effect in one way or another! Chuck it all together and see what happens approach
I've done the HCG diet with my wife at some clinic, but gained the weight back. I've done clen a few years ago when I had a personal at Bally's back then.
I've done the HCG diet with my wife at some clinic, but gained the weight back. I've done clen a few years ago when I had a personal at Bally's back then...
So the answer is this mess you put together? Your diet is off, your training is off, and you have no idea what your doing. Throw that shit away, you will end up in a coffen. Holy shitballs. Go up top to the eyglass research first cycle...Until you control your food compounds will do nothing for you. Drugs enhance the hard work and dedication you put in. They don't do the work for you...