+ 11 Who should/shouldn't be on AAS?
You all have an opinion. Don't shy away now. In a thread written by IronBlonde yesterday about the ladies, it got me thinking about this again. Aside from the ppl who just flat out don't want to put in the work and think AAS is the answer to a god like body with no effort, who should or shouldn't use AAS?
The bodybuilders
So most of the time when someone questions another's use of gear it's a bodybuilder questioning it. The bodybuilders preach diet and training. Reaching natural potential. Yes yes and yes ,...if the person is a bodybuilder. They need to dial in their diet , train relentlessly completely natural for as long as it takes to meet their potential etc. Fine, I get it. I agree. I don't want to see anyone ruining their endocrine system with premature use and not taking the proper precautions. So, asking the individual their goals is first and foremost IMO.
The athletes
Now, this one is tricky. There will be ppl claiming to be athletes who simply are not. But they easily get weeded out down the line. Let's talk about a fighter for instance. Something brought up in the thread I mentioned earlier raised the point "the athlete knows what they have to do in terms of proper nutrition ,AAS etc." Really? Do you know what proper nutrition for a fighter is? Have you ever set foot in a ring? Fuck, I bet half of the ppl with the opinions couldn't hit a heavy bag for 1:00 straight without absolutely collapsing. Do you know why? We do! We absolutely LOAD UP ON CARBS! High protein ,high fat, high carb diets. Something the stage ready bodybuilder would be freaking about. Then do you know what we do? Let's say I am fighting at light heavyweight (175lbs) and I'm walking around ,training at 202lbs. Guess what I have to do? The next week or 2 of my life is going to suck big fat elephant balls. I have to cut weight for the weigh in. That means starving myself. Do you think I shouldn't be on AAS because I am not eating properly? Fuck you! I'm going to need the performance enhancement now more than ever. You had better believe my opponent is gona be ready to take my head off. So do I just stop using my halo, or Tren because you think I don't need to be on it because my natural potential hasn't been reached? Guess what, you can take that opinion and jam it straight up your ass ,...sideways! Let someone tell me they don't think I should be on AAS because I'm not a bodybuilder when they not only haven't set foot in my shoes, but would get their big asses handed to them if they tried. Sometimes they will even say "omg you are doing it wrong. Who told you to cycle that way? Where did you hear that? That's just wrong! You have no knowledge of AAS." STFU! You don't have the faintest clue how to cycle properly if you were an endurance athlete. My progress can't be assessed by looking in a mirror. Fuckin dip shit! Ok, I got a little emotional about that one. But you get the point.
Fitness models
I don't know of any and don't know what it takes to be one but I'm giving an honorable mention. I suspect they use traditional cycles in short bursts to achieve a chiseled look.
Kids
This one is the tricky one. NOBODY on this site condones the use of AAS in kids. But what about when the kid is in his early 20's, has a fantastic physique, has clearly put in work , and already has experience on stage? Does that mean it's ok? I'm asking sincerely.
This is a debate amongst the moderators and we are seeking a resolution. I want to hear what you have to say. What if they claim to be an athlete, what is the guideline in that case to give advice or not? I'm curious on your
opinions.
Trt
There are the guys who were not feeling so hot, climbing up in age and put on Trt by their doc. They come here to learn about AAS. They discover the things the doctor isn't gona tell them. Maybe they like what they are experiencing and want to venture into new compounds to achieve that god like body. Is that ok? Or because they aren't a friggen bodybuilder they shouldn't be on either? You see the pattern here?
Muscle wasting disease
Now I would hope that nobody is ignorant enough to say these guys/gals shouldn't be on AAS. Clearly they need it. Maybe here to learn more as the Trt guys are. Or maybe to go further and gain that god like physique with cycling. So,....where do we stand? Because a lot of ppl have a lot to say. I'm curious who stands up here.
Power lifters (sorry grrrl)
Now what about these guys/gals? They almost always look "sub par" according to bodybuilding standards. Sometimes they even look fat and out of shape when in reality they would twist a bodybuilder up like a pretzel and catch the punch of the mighty boxer crushing his hand with a squeeze of his grip. They surely put in the work and have every right to use whatever means they can to gain an edge in training. Do they not?
Mostly I want to get an idea of what everyone thinks. Don't hold back. It won't be held against you no matter your view. Give your opinion. It will help the community grow. I'll keep my aggression toward bias bodybuilders to myself. For some reason it's always a bodybuilder with something to say. This is NOT A BODYBUILDING WEBSITE! Get it?
LET ME ADD, i don't have anything against bodybuilders (other than the popular opinion on AAS). Some of my favorite ppl are bodybuilders. Shit all my partners are bodybuilders. Well Trenabolic and big bro King Viking are. Noid is more like me I think. Just doin the damn thing. So I have plenty of ppl here who are bodybuilders that I am fond of. Great guys/gals and I have nothing against them. I have something against the ones who feel superior to others. Acting superior is usually as sign of deep rooted feelings of inferiority! Just sayin. Psych 101!
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I actually agree with most of this but part of the point that was made in one of my earlier comments was it's less about age and more about maturity level. Some ppl mature faster than others. It's the level of maturity and understanding of the consequences as well as risk/reward that we use as a marker. On this site (which you should know by now) we aren't like other bodybuilding sites. Everyone here has different goals. So the concept of personal choice has to be taken into account. But at the end of the day, the bottom line is most ppl under 25 just aren't mature enough to handle a fucking car, let alone AAS! I'll use the insurance industry as an example. You having spent almost 10 years with me know how much more you have to fork over to insurance companies when it comes to auto. Why? What are their experts looking at? Well your rate drops when you hit 30yrs old. It drops when you get married. Why is that? Because you're displaying a certain level of maturity when you get married. Why at 30? Because the stats show that ppl hit a certain threshold in age and they make better choices. Take less risk. Understand the world better. Just my $0.02. You're on the right track ,wrong train
Hey Nitti... Reminds me of old times going head to head with you.. Lol. But I will stand down. I know my place and respect your final word. I understand and agree with what you've said. I guess I was trying to empathize as well as prove a point that if one from the 22-24 age group has got "all their shit together" so to speak, the "25" rule shouldn't apply to them. They should be the exception. That's all. Given the fact that we know each other on a personal note, my nephew is the perfect example that the "25" rule doesn't work well for. You know as well as I do that even though he is 29, he has the mental maturity level of a 10 yr old. Bad choices in life all around. At any rate, I get it and fully understand. Thought maybe my opinion could serve a purpose and raise an eyebrow or two...
Exactly! About your nephew I mean. I held his friggen hand and gave him all the insight and knowledge he needed every step of the way. He got shit results because he didn't listen to a word I said. He did what he wanted. So he crashed his test level and threw his HTPA off for no reason. But yes, that is exactly what I'm saying (everybody is saying) about maturity. So maybe a test is the answer. We'll see.
And it's weird when you try to be nice and talk to me like a normal member would. It's ok , you can be yourself. I won't ban you.
I see what your saying but its just the policy. But to think that at age 25 you just stop growing would be retarted. Its an average. One guy might finsih at 22 and the next 27. Its not like on your 25th birthday you magically finish developing. But on average most males finish around 25. So we dont condone using before that age because we believe that the risk of damaging the endocrine system is higher. Well unfortunately this is just speculation and it may or may not be true. logically its seems like a good theory, but unfortunately my observations over the years have been totally opposite. The body of a young person is extremely resiilant. Ive seen multiple younger guys 21+ recover from long long 1+ year cycles. The chance of a 30+ year old recovering from a year long cycle is slim to none. They usually end up on trt. And there isn't one study done with say a control group of 21-24 year olds and then 25-30 year olds and recording the % of people who recover and then concluding that the younger guys dont recover. This "fact" was probably put forth by the same person who told girls lifting will make them bulky and high reps make you shredded. Im gonna ask my doctor about it next month i just went today i wish i would have remembered.
The reason i believe this is a good policy is the majority of guys this age lack the mental maturity. Sure some of them are really serous about this, but others aren't. when i was 21 i didnt even go to the gym. So shit changes over the years. They only think about the benefits and not the potential risk. And thats where the problem lies. Imagine you start cycling and you become sterile. And a few years later you aren't even serious about working out anymore. Now your life is forever changed and you dont even lift anymore. Guys at that age wanna push it, high doses multiple compounds, long cycles, blast and cursing etc and it all seems like a good idea when your 21 or 23 but they live in the moment and dont think about tomorrow. A lot changes during those years so you shouldn't be making decisions that can alter the rest of your life. Just 3 short years ago I was a very different person. But I would like to be able to help the mature guys 22-24 who come along with a solid plan, a good base and who actually listen and most importantly have been lifting for a long time showing they're truly commited to this life style. Not some 23 year old who's smart enouh to do reaearch an put a solid cycle together but weighs 150lbs and has only been Liftkng for 6 months . Let's face it putting together a basic test cycle isn't rocket science. It's fucking simple, I wanna see the longterm dedication to this lifestyle. But the policy is 25 and about 90% of the time Its a great policy. Most of the guys that age that come here that have a decent body ahere are cocky arrogant pricks who dont wanna listen to anything we say, or they actually there 150lbs with a good solid cycle plan but there still 150lbs. Not to often will we get a a lean 200lb dude who listens takes advice and has actually done research. And thats about the only guys who I wouid considering helping if the policy was different.
While everything you said is all well and good, I feel the need to point out that this was merely just my opinion. And if you have read this entire thread from beginning to end as I have, there are many who have "mixed feelings" about helping/advising the 22-24 age group. And although I agree with what you said, it appears as if you can relate on some level with what I've said. I understand that this is public policy on Eroids and by no means am I trying to shake things up a bit or step on anyone's toes. I too will comply with whatever the end result maybe. However, it appears as though the MODS are "banging their heads together" in dilemma and as a result of the community's opinions given in this thread, it "could" very well change or alter this policy. I was merely trying to put things into a different perspective. And you yourself had some good points I might add. So why put an actual "number" or "cap" on it? If one is 23yrs, 175lbs, put in the time and effort, done his research, understands all the risks involved versus the rewards and consequences, has been lifting for years, proper diet and training, has a solid cycle history, is mature, listens, obviously committed to the lifestyle and is seeking advice would you not help him for the mere fact that he is 23? You said if the policy was different that's about the only guys you'd consider helping. Granted they maybe few and far between, however they do exist and should feel welcomed here. Just as one maybe serious about ones career goals early on in life, they too maybe just as serious about choosing AAS as a lifestyle. So putting a "number" or "cap" on it I don't agree upon. I feel as tho it depends upon the individuals case. However, I will follow the rules whatever the outcome maybe....
I'm curious as how and where you got those numbers? It's all here say. I have never heard of anyone continuing to grow after age 25 unless they have a pituitary issue like gigantism. Everything I have ever heard on the topic says girls slow at 18 and come to a screeching halt within 2 years after. Boys slow at 20-21 and come to a halt within 2 years. So you just said that magically at 27 they'll stop but she's wrong about 25?
Just a little background on who "she" is for you new guys. This is a woman who has more AAS experience than most of the ppl eroids populous. She has first hand knowledge and experience on that and this site. There are a shit load of posts in the ladies lounge under the name *Anonymous* from a year, 2 years , 3 years ago. They would be her
Ohh and that first line in the quote I posted of yours, about it being retarded to think as she does. I take exception to that. Not just because I know her personally and not because it's a chic , because some ppl might have retarded children and take offense. But mostly because you sound like the ppl I am describing in this post who see themselves as better than others
The point I was trying to make was on your 25th birthday the internals of your body don't just magically finish developing. It's just like how some guys don't grow an inch past 16 while people like myself and my grandfather didn't finish growing until we were 22. 27 was just a random number, all I was trying to say is some guys finsh developing earlier or later then 25. Maybe they finsh had 25 and 8 months or 23, 25 is just an average.
And I didn't mean to offend anyone by my comment and I'm sorry if I did.I should have worded if differently. The point I was trying to make was that it would be foolish to think that the day you turn 25 your hpta finishes developing. And for the record I don't think I'm better then anyone. Just a bad choice of words.
Im a powerlifter with 20 years of competitive lifting and cycling under my belt. I posted 3 pics on here 1 of a 20inch bicep shot and 2,a 17 inch forearm shot.....not even a response......now if I was 6ft2 and 170 with a 15 in ripped bicep I would get all the good job bros in the world on here. Beyond the fact this seems to be a bber based website I do agree with SOME of the advice given to these young skinny kids who weigh 145 and looking for a quick fix.....put time in eat your ass off and train then consider AAS. But a kid whos done that and looking to place at a show hes probably going to do what he wants to succeed, but hopefully will take advice rom a vet who can steer him in the right direction.
roidsandrageI have an Input on the "Kids" part because i Also Am one of these "Kids" Not to be putting anyone on blast, but some of the older guys who use AAS don't look like they have cycled in there life, don't have diet on point they may have been training for years but still look like nothing, for example some of the self shots I see on here...I have been lifting since age 14 and been natty for a long time and I'm currently on my 3rd cycle. This whole "don't give advice to people under 25" is stupid, selfish and very inconsiderate. Either way most of the people who ask for advice are going to cycle regardless of what you guys say, its better to steer them in the right direction of how to instead of telling them they need to put in more work and how AAS is not the answer when there already 9% bf weigh 175 and only 5'5. If this is the case you all should only give advice to certain weight and body fat, because it seems like people over 25 are looking for short cuts as well. Long story short, If i have a good base, diet and training plan i should be given advice.
Kids........... when will you ever fkn learn, you have to earn respect on eroids and even more-so in real life........... your comment has got me spitting fire and for that i will BAN your ass to create presidence to others that wish to follow with your fkn totally outrageous mentality that we owe YOU something........... go play somewhere else boy!..... your time here is long gone............ goodbye.
You know this is what I missed so much ,here ,0 tolorence for a smartass cocky fuck , strolling around I see so much bs , where plp give to much play and consideration to a wiseasses remarks , like there going to change him ,(not) Inext thing you know , its like a virus , fuck that , cut it off at the neck :))) good to be home +1
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Whats up?......... cat got your tongue, come talk to me i wont bite your head off.
On second thoughts............ it must have been something bad aimed at me so you can leave the temple right now.................. BANNED. For NOT having the balls to stand by your words especially when speaking to a MOD.
AnonFuk I love this man!
Yes ed no homo!
I'm always interested to get the other side of the coin from you young guys. When you ask for advice, you're opening the door for opinions. That's when the problem starts. You're 21, 3 cycles, in my opinion you've made bad choices. Those are choices that may come back to bite you in the future and make life much more difficult when you're my age.
Right now, like most at 21 you won't see it that way. I don't want to see young guys getting themselves into the sort of endocrine mess I get pm's about every week. "Help, my test won't bounce back etc", I see these all the time. Sometimes I'm tempted to collate them into one big post for everyone to see, might shock you. Rightly or wrongly from your view, that means I'd rather try and talk you out if it. If you decide to do it, there's no blood on my hands and I can sleep easy thinking at least I tried.
Understand and like I said above I'm interested in your perspective, but the "stupid, selfish and inconsiderate" comment is rather misguided.
Well, I must say I admire the brass balls! Most ppl who feel this way will never say it out loud. To be honest , there is a part of me that wants to give you a bro fist. I find myself thinking "is it really the responsible thing to do? Shunning these kids and telling them to beat it? They're even more stubborn and off the chain than I was when I was that age, and I was pretty fuckin hard headed. They'll do what they want anyway. Is it best to give them guidance and show them the safe way to do this? Give them some encouragement and a little confidence boost? Because ultimately , the ones who get shunned for being 140lbs, looking like they never saw the inside of a gym, they're the ones who feel like they need to get big to compensate for all their other short comings. They just be insecure to wana just look good on the beach for the girls. No self esteem, unable to confidently talk to the cheerleader or the smokin hot bar tender. Whatever the case is , they should still be guided right regardless of their reason. Even tho they don't have a drop of integrity or work ethic. They don't know what it takes to achieve this god like body through hard work and dedication. They want to get there with a magic bullet. Because they are the instant gratification generation. Let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya. Walk em through it."
No! This is not a game! This is a mans game (and women's). We have to stand for something. These are powerful hormones we are talking about. Powerful enough to completely ruin their endocrine systems and if they haven't done the work and leaned a little bit the hard way through blood sweat and tears, not only do they not appreciate the journey but they don't have any joy from the reward! Every other site that has anything to do with AAS offers anything you want in way of advice. We can't sit back and consign this shit. It would be the irresponsible thing to do. When we were kids we didn't hear No 50x only to come and ask 50 more times until our parents said "ok ok go do what you want you little shit. Just stfu and leave me alone!" No we heard no and that was it! If I would have said "please please and kept breakin balls guess what? Right wrong or indifferent I got a smack in the mouth , a kick on the Ass and a stern hard tone that said "get in your room and forget about coming out the rest of the night. No is no!" Was it harsh? Maybe, but you know what it did? It built character. It prepared us for life. It hardened us enough to not fall apart when we got rejected as a teen by that hot chic. Or the first time we got fired from a job. We didn't flinch. We took our kicks and kept moving forward. You kids today hear No! You throw hissy fits and make a big scene in front of a store full of ppl. Fuckin brats spoiled rotten today! If you aren't willing to protect your own future , allow us to help you out. Or at the very least we will not consign your bullshit reason for being on AAS. If you aren't an athlete who is headed places, a dedicated young bodybuilder , or sick in some way and in need of AAS , you puppies aren't getting advice freely here. With your first cycle consisting of Tren and fuckin 7 orals. Eating like dog shit and blaming sources for bad gear when you gain not an ounce. No base, no foundation , no fuckin sense. Irresponsible , lazy, spoiled, dumb young shits you are. Most of you anyway. They don't make men like they used to. That's for fuckin sure. So that's that! Eroids is a place to share ,learn and grow. But we don't agree with allowing children who aren't ready to start making decisions about their future on our time and site. Next thing you know we will be getting blamed and sued for your fuvkin gyno surgery. Again, we have to draw the line somewhere. So maybe the 25 thing isn't it. But you will damn sure have to be a level headed, respectful , dedicated , hungry , responsible and mature youngin to get advice here. That cocky condescending shit you posted. All defensive and with a chip on your shoulder, when you leave this thread you need to check that shit son! This thread is a judgment free zone. But that's where it ends
AnonThis is one of the best posts I've ever read. Hit deep. Most of the people I know fall in a 22-27 age bracket and there's something there in the majority (not all) of them that I just can't really explain buried away in their psyche. This I'm special attitude that gives rise to unrealistic expectations and a heavy resistance towards accepting negative feedback. Delusional sense of entitlement to a level of respect and rewards that aren't in line with their actual ability and levels of commitment. We see this in the cycle log section all the time. The world owes it to me because I'm so great! Earn your damn stripes that's not how life works.
I'm a younger guy and I'd really love to disagree but based on my life experience thus far I can't. I'd only like to point out, as others have, that the occasional young eroider say 23-24 really does have his shit together and it would be a shame to push those few off to other sites that will have no problems sticking them on tren and superdrol for a first or second cycle.
Damn if only I was on eroids at 15-16 when I crashed my axis with Deca I'd have a lawsuit on my hands then yeah?? Had it done in January took quite a while to save 6k for that! I do look sexy without moobs capping off my pecs I must say lol. Actually wanting to take your shirt off at the beach is a pretty badass feeling. Felt like adding a real life example might be of some value to the younger viewers of this thread. No the Vets and MODs here aren't "haters" they are genuinely looking out for your well-being. I do sometimes get PM's about freakin' blast/cruise from guys around my age and YOUNGER (fake ages listed) I guess because they assume I do TRT for fun, expecting me to say go for it then getting disappointed when I send them to another member (sorry Cat) for PCT advice…. they're definitely here!
Doesn't get any more real than that. X10. I'd give points if I could bro. Props.
This should be printed off and framed.
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RustyhookerCan't speak louder than from real life. High five!
And that answers all the questions we have been toying with lately........... WE ARE HOLDING TIGHT WITH OUR YOUNGSTER RULE...and that is that!!.......... Game Over.
Now!......... let me go whisper sweet nothings in that 21yrs olds ear......... HE basically just fucked it completely up for any other youngster that walks this way... great job bonehead!!......... nobody gets the option of coming in here and DEMANDING advice.... we dont know you, you have fkn zero street cred around here WTF makes you think you can DEMAND!!
Business as usual gentlemen please........... we are men and we will NOT bend to some kid DEMANDING........ EVER!!
great post bro deff think this should never be forgotten +1 from me man
Nothing else needs to be said....
Not sure about anyone else but it wasn't written in red but I was reading it in red. I cannot tell you about aas use in young people but I can tell you about work ethic in young people. It Fucking sucks. They want all the money and don't want to do anything for it. The second you say that they have to pick up a shovel or clean something up. I get a smartass answer about how they weren't hired for that. And forget about picking up after yourselves. My mommy does that at home so I don't have to do it here. That's your job you make more money than I do so you can clean up after me I have better things to do. Sorry fora rant iit's been one of those days. +1000000 if I could. Speaking the truth
Exactly! To be fair , not all are that way. But the generation as a whole,....the world looks at you as The dumb fat kids
That was a really great post Nitti! That post deserves a round of applause.
ive been looking for a place to use this
Is that MJK?
lol can't tell if you're joking or not but that does kinda look like him. deniro in taxi driver! never seen it?
Well , I appreciate it but it's just the truth served up raw and uncut
RustyhookerProblem isn't always the age but the mentality. There's PRO tags on here that are young, hard working and productive to and for eroids. Then there's useless dickheads like monster666 and the spoiled crew. Kids who came on here doing nothing other than bitch, which or throw rocks. You know the type. Never does crap to help the site or anyone on the site but lets their mouth overload their asses.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/pics-from-wayyy-back
. M y view is this , yes there are some , men younger than 25 ,that have trained there whole life and have the body to prove it and also carry the maturity of a adult , but they are few in between , and once the 25 rule gets one exception, where will it stop?? Pretty zoon the site will be over run with plp wanting a pass , an exception to the rule , so that needs to be kept in mind also , and with that id say its not broke dont fix it
Also I see where , there are valid points like the boxer , or athletes of some sort but wouldnt a person in this position have a corner person .that has the knowledge, to undertake the aas for him???
And my final point is , if the maturity level is there , and the training are there they should posses the intelligence to be able to hit the blue mag , and have every answer they seek,, no??? I mean thats where I learned about ai, s ,, pct , prolactine control , theres litterly 1000's of cycles to follow ,..just my 2cents
And I didnt touch a aas till I was 43-44 ,and I trained 25 years natty before . Anx ways got beauitful results
I want to give my input about the "kids" section since I am one of these "kids" lol. I think it depends on the type of physique. If the physique is impressive and the kid looks like he is mature enough to respect the training, diet, patience and has made bodybuilding his lifestyle then yes I think its ok. If you have a physique where its a "bro" who thinks he's huge but clearly looks like garbage and is just stepping on stage with no passion and just wants a cool Facebook/instagram picture and is still going out and getting shitfaced every weekend then no absolutely not. respect for the training, diet and the lifestyle means they will have respect for gear and are indeed ready to start their first test e cycle IMO.
It sucks because you can't truly know someone over the internet except for the pictures they post and even then you don't really know if its even the real person sometimes.
how about a diabetic? interested in feedback and opinions?
Ok I wasn't going to touch this one but I might as well share it. Just take it with a grain of salt. It may be unique to the individuals.
About a year ago my boy asked about getting some testosterone for his dad. He was getting sick and on all kinds of meds. Slowed down a lot , felt lethargic, weak, and frankly just old! But he's not. He is 50. So after seeing the doc he finds out he has diabetes. He doesn't use insulin injections but takes pills. No sure what or how that all works (type 1 or 2). I checked into it for him, did some research and found the test could maybe help him a little. I went and picked up pharma grade Watson for him (didn't want to take chances with his health) with instructions based on a typical Trt protocol. I have him Aromasin, kept him low (6.25 eod) and 250mg test cyp. But I also put him on Bayer mesterolone @ 25mg twice a day. After a month I sent him to get blood work Independently. His results were close to perfect. Around 2500ng/dl total test and around 450mg/dl free test. Estradiol was in range and his lipid panel was fantastic. His good cholesterol was climbing and bad dropping. He listened to me and did pretty well with following my instructions for diet. He ate a lot of greens , nothing fried ever , plenty of fish and chicken breast. I kept his carbohydrates to a moderate load in the morning and cut out almost completely (other than the complex carbs in the veggies) after 1pm. I gave him very direct instructions with his training. Absolutely NO CARDIO EVER! Only light bag work to slightly increase heart rate and get blood flowing pre workout. I know, you're scratching your head. Ohh if you only knew. :-)
Anyway, he was a very big muscular guy when I was a kid. He got sick and didn't lose a lot of mass but still wasn't a fat guy. Kinda husky like a Tony Soprono minus the gut. So I had him doing 4 days a week for 1 hour a day high rep push/pull training with some stretching exercises and bag work for endurance.
Long story short, by the time this guy went back to the doc, he did a 180. The doctor sent him for his own lab report and was astonished. He asked if he was still taking his meds. My buddy said "no". The doctor asked what he has been doing different. He replied , "I eat a lot better ,I work out consistently and I supplement vitamins". The doc said "does one of those vitamins happen to be testosterone?" Lol. The doctor told him he looked fantastic and according to his labs, the diabetes was no longer an issue. That doesn't mean he doesn't have it, just that he is no longer in need of meds. Doc sent him to a specialist for the hormones as he only had a complaint about the level of testosterone. He wanted to bring it down some. My buddy let the doc take the lead and today ,under a doctors care he is healthy as he was 25 years ago, feels great, looks great and thanks me every time he sees me. Funny ,the new "specialist" who i suspect is an endo , had him on Nolvadex instead of the Aromasin I put him on. It caused fluctuations and imbalance in his hormone levels as well as a little case of gyno. He told the doc my protocol or the one I had him on and the doc very attentively followed suit and monitored closely.
He is still going strong and the only thing different is the way he trains. He feels so much better that he picked up the intensity in training and now strength trains. Happy ending to this one.
I have another guy who does use insulin. After this case was so successful I wasn't as afraid to give this one testosterone. He coupled it with pharma HGH and it's been 2 months on this cycle and he hasn't used insulin in 13 days. He stays below 120 blood sugar and just simply doesn't need insulin. So is it the testosterone? I know it directly effects insulin but I don't know enough to tell anyone to try this. Their success could be based on so many other factors. So I am NOT TELLING DIABETICS TO GO ON TEST! just sharing a story
Wow that's amazing and.thank u for sharing this
BRILLIANT response nitti.... thanks for the insight... and sounds like a positive outcome for you friend...
very interesting
sent you a FR bro will hit you a PM when you've accepted....
RustyhookerMy buddy a while back was diabetic and running cycles. Always in the ambulance flying to the er for crashing one way or the other. Would take diligence and extra care.
?? any one?
I think that's down to personal choice. I've got a friend in the same boat so my opinion is slightly tainted. He lost a lot of muscle he'd built over 15 years and used steroids to largely rebuild the loss from diabetes. I can totally understand why he made that choice.
An endo would tell you "no way". Got to be very honest with yourself and cautious if you do.
I've been following this thread for the past couple of days and it's been interesting, informative, upsetting, etc., which makes for a great topic.
To me, it all comes down to being an "adult" and making your own decisions, no matter what category(s) you fit into. I do feel there is one exception and it's an obvious one and one that seems to of caused the biggest variance in opinions on this thread: AGE.
Where should it start, should there be exceptions, what should those exceptions be, etc. This question of age has been at the forefront of Mod discussions since I've been on Eroids and I have followed their suggestions, without exception. It's been that you need to be 25+ to receive AAS advice here on Eroids. Hollywood stated that if we give advice to anyone who is "young" and it goes wrong, Eroids would probably be held liable by some parent and their attorney and they could involve LE, which very well could mean the end of Eroids as we know it. That's pretty compelling to me right there.
Also, my perspective also comes from being a parent. Would I want my kids using AAS at the age of 18 to 24, HELL NO! I don't care how informed, in shape, whether or not they've "reached their potential" or not. The consequences are far too severe and long lasting for me to ever want my kids to jump on gear. I can't see a caring parent thinking otherwise, but that's just me.
I've read quite a bit about exceptions to the age rule and I feel that is a slippery slope. Who makes the call? How is the call made? Especially when we never see the person and only get info from the internet, which very well could not be completely true or honest/ I only see a Mod making the call to give the go ahead to help someone and I don't feel that this is that worthy of their valuable time.
When it comes to the 25+ age limit, how do we know if they are really that age. Well, anyone who has tried to help someone, can tell fairly quickly if that person is a youngster and that pretty well ends things.
I've also read from an expert member here that I respect that we should always help a younger member with PCT, which I completely agree with.
My feeling is that we should stick with the 25+ age limit on helping those with AAS questions and only let the MOD's call the exceptions, which I hope are few and far between. Anyone, regardless of age can search to their hearts content virtually ANY answer they might have here on Eroids, if they are so inclined. So to say that we are leaving these folks without help is just not true and not genuine. Just my opinion.
So many great answers here and many along the same lines which is good as it means we agree as a community and will continue to adhere to those guidelines.
Read through most of them, but don't think I saw any mention of "mental maturity". This isn't necessarily age dependent as I have seen people in their early 20s act a lot more maturely and responsibly then someone in their 30s or 40s. A few come to mind.
As we know, steroids have a bad wrap because the mental effects are generally exaggerated, misunderstood and because of a few bad apples acting like assholes.
So in terms of mentally prepared:,
rocketballzMental maturity may be the best point I've read so far, amongst many solid points. As iFit said so perfectly, it is mental maturity that I too believe is a major part of the overall decision to use aas. But that opens up the can of worms on who is to decide one's metal maturity. This is where an honest and fearless self examination MUST occur prior to cycling with AAS. I know I did and I made many mistakes, the first of which was not being in control of my emotions at all times. This is perhaps the best indicator of mental maturity. My 2 cents
Nice post, I touched on the maturity issue a little further down in the post.
lol, I must have posted while you were still writing, I just touched on that very thing. Great minds think alike ;)
I have a question thats needs an urgent answer!........... i have just read the whole thread and notice that we have an handful of members here that think 18yrs of age is ok to resume taking steroids.
My question is this!..... Do you certain people think you are experienced and knowledgeable enough to actually advice these youngsters "IF" we allowed it?............
OR... do you just want to air your views in this thread and then sit back and watch while others take on the task............ failure to respond to my question will leave me to believe the latter.
I have a 1001 more questions... but i will filter them through if and when i get any response to the above.
AnonAn 18yr old? No. Not even you bro. No kid should be using that young. But someone 22-23-24 ya there's a very exclusive group of members I would trust. You Cat Tread who is no longer here. That's about it. Nitti would probably have the kid try his latest batch of Fina, Noid would be doubling down a EQ front load for young homie, Bodybuilder would get a nice blast cruise regimen for the young pup for the next decade and me? Shit I'd have the kid doing a full bore PCT before even trying his first injection I'm so overly worried about young guns staying fertile:)
No bro real talk the list is very small. Of who I would trust but then again I stay out of these talks mostly. It's guys like you who lead the way. Wherever admin goes you all know I'm there with y'all. We don't always agree but I'm a Eroids lifer. I've literally experienced everything this website has to offer. So wherever this conversation takes us I got your guys' six.
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Whatever decision you guys come to I'll support 100%.
I for one will not. Not because I don't really know much. More so the fact that their minds haven't fully developed to comprehend the ramifications of their decision. I remember the difference in comprehending knowledge between when I was 18 and 26. It was night and day. The same can be said of when I was 26 and where I am today. When I was 18 I had round peg square hole syndrome. I couldn't figure out how it worked so I would just pound it in anyway and deal with trying to fix it later. When I was 26 I had round peg too big of a hole so I would use it anyways knowing full well it wouldn't last long but it would work. Now I'm in the mindset that if it's not absolutely perfect I'm not doing it.