posted Thu, 04/03/2014 - 18:15
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I'm taking some time off to learn more and to. gain all the weight i can. it'll be a little while before i start a cycle but I'm pretty sure it'll be something like sust,deca,dbol. i was wondering if deca can be frontloaded. if so are there any drawbacks, do i need to up my a.i. dose? anything can help a little
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RustyhookerReading thru all this and after you hit 185 naturally, test only cycle bud. Its not the gear or with 3 cycles you should be a good chunk bigger. Test only will add good mass if foods are taken care of first. And you'll lise every pound gained if foods aren't constantly improved.
Ok, ill keep reading and finding ways to improve my habits. i donnt know if you remember the ridiculously stupid cycle i was on but it crushed my appetite, I've actually gained 4lbs. now on pct. i can't believe how little i knew/know compared to what i thought i did. i can realize now how stupid what i was doing was. i actually might not be as hard a gainer as i thought, with the new things i add foodwise i keep gaining jjust a little every wk.
RustyhookerOnce you get the diet that your body loves, you'll have lots of fun! I've made many food errors, switches etc. Always back to the base level.....food. I like 1.5g protein split thru day. Good sources of complex carbs and lower fats. But with diet, everyone has their tweaks. Sdm, Viking and sgtstedanko all have food plans posted. Sgtstedank has entire menu posted. Its huge!
That Sust is great shit for bulking, that is if your eating to bulk up.
I wouldn't front load deca if u haven't used it before. If you have a bad reaction to nandrolone it could become a health issue. You can kickstart deca with NPP but if u do this u will normally need to kickstart the test base with prop as well otherwise with a long ester test u you would have NPP elevated in the bloodstream by itself, not what u want. But u are using Sust 250? If it's Sust 250 then u have already 30 mg / ml prop and 60 mg / ml phenylprop. That's enough short ester test to bring your testosterone blood level up with a short ester nandrolone in concert. You could also run plain test prop and NPP for a week standalone before adding the deca just to see how your body reacts to nandrolone. Or, u can start your sust and run NPP for a week before adding the deca as well.
I don't know anybody that has had an adverse reaction to deca (allergic reaction). But, why take the chance now that they make a short ester (NPP) that at least will clear fast if u do have a reaction.
As said below, make sure u have something for prolactin control (like caber). Your deca dose is low, so again, I wouldn't anticipate and progesterone / prolactin based gyno but we are all different bro and you NEVER start any 19-Nors without something like pramipexole (prami) or cabergoline (caber).
Definetly appreciated, i got halfway thru a real bad cycle that had all three trens, no caber or anything else for that matter to control sides. i gave that cycle up midwY thru. i wish i would have found this site earlier, i would havve known more isn't always. better. i got nearly 20 lbs off a sust only cycle a couple years back, but when i did that hybrid cycle which was sust,plus a test/tren hybrid with dbol i really didn't gain anything,had no appetite and I'm not saying it caused it but i got a. mean kidney infection. so for me, when i get there, a fairly simple cycle will probably always be the way i go.
Honestly bro, I would like to understand more about what u are eating and how u are training. At a minimum, my intuition tells me there are issues with your diet that your weight is so low. Anabolics will not fix the problem of poor diet, in fact, steroids depend on adequate dietary macros and calories to do their job. You can talk about this in the open so that others who are having low weight issues can learn, or, if that makes u uncomfortable, you can FR me and we can take it offline but I would not start another cycle until this is 100% straightened out in your mind and u understand how u must eat. And then, there could be training issues. I was talking with a guy the other night that was fairly strong and could push some weight, but heavy squats and deadlifts were NOT part of his routine at all and his goal was to become freak big. Not that that's what you want, I don't know. But, for him, not doing those heavy compound movements left him stuck despite trying different stacks of anabolics. Roids are not magic!!
I'm gonna fr you anyway, but we should keep it open
so other people can gain some benefit. i can't stress enough
I'm not starting a cycle again until i get 25lbs however
i have tto eat to get it right now my nutrition goals are 5000
Cals and 300g protein. my workout schedule is
5days a wk pretty standard.
Day 1 upper back n shoulders
day 2chest n triceps
day 3 lower back n biceps
4 upper legs and squats
day 5 calves cardio, anything new i wanna try also
deadlifts on alternating wweeks
not all in a row and very far from perfect, i also know
i need to do a better job monitoring carbs
You wrote below:
So where are u sitting with your test level right now? I'd love to see u gain 25 lbs, bro. But, remember, for most natural lifters which is what u are off cycle with a decent natty test level --- 10-12 pounds of solid muscle per year are great gains if you're early in your lifting career. Oh, I just know I'm opening up a debate here, there are theoretical maxes that are way higher than that - I've seen the charts. If you pork up, u r gonna have to loose that fat and if you take your BF into the 20's - you can still cycle (some powerlifters cycle with that high BF but u r gonna have so many estrogen receptors in that adipose tissue that most compounds are not gonna work properly. Need to think thru all this for sure, the timing, etc. It's way late by me, time to sign off. What I love about this site is that it is global, and from the other side of the world when I wake up tomorrow, there will be many great responses for ya. BTW, 300 g of protein is way too much and as I found out recently is a great way to stress your internal organs. See 7gothic's post (response to Rusty) as well as Rusty's initial response in -
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/are-there-part...
I still need to get a private lab test done but at the doc i had a bloodtest for this kidney infection i havee. they said liver, kidneys functioning normally, white and red bloodcells are good. i didn't get to read them but that's the type of bloodwork i was talking about.
Dbl posted,sry
RustyhookerNo stats posted here gave you half answers.
Anyone should read stats first.
I thought i posted them in my profile
5"8
160lbs
age-30
5 yrs training
2yrs on gear
14% Body fat now
WOW definate nutrition deficiency with these stats and 3 cycles down, 14% bodyfat tells me that training intensity is not what it should be also, you need to get back to basics and rethink your strategy before cycling again.
I'm workin on it every single day, n the bf% might be off a little cause i used a calculator i found online. your right tho, need another 22 lbs n gonna do it without anything i can't buy at gnc or a grocery store.
LOL.... wtf you doing in here?.............. you are correct though babe.
well its gotta hurt a little bit more when a women tells you your tiny! :)...ouch.
Ill take the motivation where i can get it n look at her anyway that must have took yrs. its not just some chick at costco comin up n sayin I'm tiny. its sommeone who looks way better then me.
Thats the positive mental attitude i like....................... +3 bro .... get the job done :)))))
Hello brudda....... yeah she tells me all the time lol
I'm not trying to bash you, but you're 160 lbs and you've done 3 cycles? You really need to re-thing your path here. Even with a modestly successful cycle history, you should be 30 lbs heavier. Your diet, rest, training, etc. should be completely overhauled before you even thing about cycling again.
Definety will, appreciate it
Your right, 185lbs is my pre cycle goal if i can't get there then ill leave it alone. when i do get there i want to have months of planning under my belt this time. I've already learned a lot of valuable info just by askinng a few questions, if it keeps going like this iill be way more ready then I've been in the pastt.
Glad to hear it. Spend lots of time learning here and you'll be amazed what you will accomplish with the proper diet protocol. Keep us updated on your progress and what you decide. +1
Anonsteroid previous experience?
theres no mention of caber here. 19 Nor compounds have ability to elevate prolactin in which you could possibly lactate
So i really dont recommend front liading deca it will do its thing just fine in due time
Ifirst cycle was
sust only @500mg wk
2nd sust 500mg wk plus dbol@60mg day
3rd cyycle was
All3 tren@50mg each etd
test cyp@200mg etd
test prop@50mg etd this is all in one hybrid btw
sust 500mg etd
dbol 60mg ed
the last one was a disaster,, i found the forums people told me it was a train wreck before it was too llate. now I'm onn pct. my bloods were good tho thannkfully. starting fromm scratch
So far, was thinking
sust@500mg wk
deca@200mg wk
dbol@60mg day
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i was thinking about
Deca@400mg wk for the first 2 wks, but not
if the 90mg in sust isn't enough to gauge how my body will react. this is still months away, i want to cover all my bases this time. also workin out possible pct options involving clomid,nolva and hcg
i was good running deca at 600mg/w -- when i stepped it up to 800mg/w i had problems with my dink
take that for what its worth
aylmejorDo not frontload if you don't know how you respond. Run it normally and see how it affects your body. Now if you get gyno from deca (nandrolone). And you front load your only going to make it worse. Trust me. Be there don't that.
Ok, ill definetly take that advice, my first two
cycles had sust,, so i thought i might be ok since
deca was in there but mor deca might give me more dramatic
results
aylmejorWait are you saying you had deca in your sust? Sorry the wording is confusing me.
What exactly you trying to do?
AnonHe means decanoate ester.. not nanrolone in his sust
Ppl always call nandrolone decanoate "deca" ...
Sometimes nandrolone phenylpropionate (NPP) Has been referred to ad the fast "deca" which is kinda funny because there is no decanoate ester in that compound.. but ppl get the meaning anyway
To me the decanoate ester in sust doesnt matter much as far as effect with nandrolone decanoate.. all the decanoate is is an ester that controlls the release of the compound... anyway.. this is what i do when running nandrolone ( deca) and test... i always run the testosterone a couple weeks longer that way the compounds clear at the same time.. that way the test doesnt clear before the deca., but thats just me
Test and deca is one of my favorite cyxles... depending on how you run the deca it can do just about what ever you want it to... low dose for lean gains higher dose for bulk
aylmejorOh I see.
That was the kind of thing i was looking to hear. so i shouldn't count what's in my sust.
its 150mg/ml testosterone decanoate. so the nandralone is completely different and that is excellent to know.
Ya, deca was in the sust in previous cycles, so i thought my body would be ok with deca. i was thinnking about frontloading at 400mg per wk. just thinking about it