time off between cycles OPINIONS?
hi guys
I was chatting to a pal at the gym the other day, very experienced AAS user but seems to know fuck all..
he cycles, 10 weeks on 10 weeks off and so on...
his last cycle was test e, deca, I didn't say anything at the time but I thought, what the hell is this guy doing? but then he said tren is crazy I asked him what you do tren A or tren E he had no idea LOL
then we got chatting about time off/on..
I gave the standard protocol time on + pct = time off.
however he said he used to get his bloods done a 4 weeks post PCT and if his levels were back to normal and he had recovered, he would jump back on?
my question is what do you guys do? obviously a fair few will blast and cruise but im aiming this at the pct guys.
what is your thought behind each method?
would your recovery take a hit if you done as he advised? / effects on fertility etc?
cheers
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I find coming off (as in actually coming off not cutting down to 250mg sustanon a week which it seems a lot of people do) and undergoing PCT actually gives you more gains on the next cycle when comparing peak to peak performances.
I always found its 2 steps forward 1 step back even training drug free. Trying to hold on to all your gains when coming off is unrealistic so I just try and embrace it knowing I'll come back even better on the next cycle.
Everyone I've discussed PCT with, both in person and on other boards have always advised time on equals time off. That includes the PCT. Doesn't do anything but hurt you to run another cycle to early. Also PCT should consist of more than just HCG, idk where it got started that HCG alone is a proper post cycle.
Who keeps -1 everyone who posts?
hey guys I think your all missing the point.. see my comment below, im PCT keen...
this isn't a question for myself its just a general topic for discussion...
after a chat with a twat at the gym lol
im in no way implying im considering that route....
just fort id clear that up lol
RustyhookerNoone missed it. Ed gotcha filled in.
That is becoming far too common when i speak with youngsters thesedays...... one dozy cunt was pinning 1ml (200mg) of tren E..... ED?..... because his "friend" told him thats the way...... another kid was pinning only once pr wk with 100mg tren A and 100mg test prop for bulking.
Yeah... no wonder im a bad tempered old cunt lol
haha its funny but really bad mate... the silly fucker is 50 years old, been on gear since late 20s, apparently his mate used to brew it in his garage and kept telling oh you need to try this and that and abit more of this... and his pct is 3 weeks hcg ONLY... I mean hows the cunt still alive LOL
I was chatting to him and he thinks he is the dogs bollox, I just couldn't tell him what I thought to damage his ego...
For me brother, I am religious about pct. I go time on + pct time = time off and then I usually throw in a few more weeks for good measure.
It's a good feeling to have those extra weeks in, at least it is for me, everything really comes back to normal, the nuts come back to size, you feel good, test levels are back to normal, free test comes back to normal and the axis balances back out.
I think those that push it by jumping back on as soon as blood test show a decent level are just tAking bigger steps towards full on trt. A young guy like yourself would be smart to really give a good off time to recover. In that off time continually push yourself to maximize your natty potential work on leaning out a little, fine tune shit and you'll have a better cycle when you go back on.
And to add to Ed's, you are young and have all the time in the world yet brother. Please, do not risk messing yourself up while you still have 15+ years minimum of great natural levels.
There's no guarantee he will have "great" natural levels until he's 40, much less as a minimum estimation. There are plenty of folks in their early 20s who have hormone deficiencies, and even more who develop it before 40. I agree with the premise, to not abuse AAS, but I'm not a fan of when people just use another adults age and tell them their hormone levels are fine. Blood work over everything
Just curious pwn, at 25 what are your natty levels off cycle now compared to before you started cycling?
to be honest, stupidly I didn't do precycle test levels, however ive got a post pct test booked to atleast see if im in the normal range.
I did have a liver panel done thou pre cycle but not test STUPIDLY
Averages, that is what I am talking. And I am 40..
50 when i went TRT............... Most youngsters on TRT "want to be" IMO.... for them its a license to go "Blast Cruise" because they have the "More is Better" attitude.
eryximachusI firmly agree, and I'm happy to know that one of the mods has been in the game this long. Thanks for giving back.
hey guys I think your all missing the point.. see my comment below, im PCT keen...
this isn't a question for myself its just a general topic for discussion...
after a chat with a twat at the gym lol
im in no way implying im considering that route....
just fort id clear that up lol
No we get your point, it is the next 25 year old that comes in spewing nonsense that doesn't get it. There so many things I wish I had believed at 25 that I KNOW now at 40 friend. Time moves fast tho boys and you too will soon know...
Jesus bro!........ never a truer word spoken, it feels like yesterday when i was 25 and the years just fkn fly bye............. especially in this game when every day is planned more or less to the hour, and comp goals are 3/4 months apart, so there is never really any time to sit back and smell the roses..... but i like it like that! i never have been a lazy Btard and love being in the fast lane thriving on a little stress and pressure.
Anabolic body=Anabolic mind...... why the fuck should i slow down when i am a supercharged super mortal lmfaooooo................ Enhanced Performance in ALL things should be a priority when we leave the Natural behind.
lol the last bit of this message is quality lol
That reminds me of a time way back when I started my business, another older and wiser contractor and I were talking, I said to him "the only thing I don't like is all the damn stress", he laughed at me, said "who you shitting? If you weren't stressed out you would be bored out of your mind". That was one of them personal moments when your head metaphorically explodes... Since that day I just embrace it. This whole life is a grand game of chicken...
that's a good way of thinking.. I like it
So true brother................... so so true.
aaaa ok pal, felt like people were jumping on me.... yes I totally agree, lets be honest this bodybuilding is a hobby/passion but its not LIFE and HEALTH... I think things need to be prioritised specially with young guys and girls like myself. thats why personally this is the only forum I ever use for info
yeah bro I think that's the best route to take... im 4 weeks post pct and im stronger now than on cycle, im eating more and I do look better I think, specially in the face (less bloat).... im just trying to stay strong minded to keep pushing it in the gym... ive also upped my protein in every meal too which seems to have helped... also been using HGH as a bridge at 4iu a day.
yeah with you on the TRT thing, the thing that scares me about jumping on too soon, is infertility obviously there is a risk anyway in this game,..
Sounds like you are playing it smart. It drives me crazy how some young guys are dead set in inducing male menopause at 23.
I can understand the temptation but damn one never knows what the future has in store weather it be kids or joblessness, jail time, I'd hate to go through either without being able to get my natty test back.
+2 for seeming to me like you are plying shit smart.
cheers bro... yeah its crazy I think its easy to jump into something without really thinking about it... then when its time to worry- its TOO late...
what do you think of using HGH as a bridge? ive literally felt no drop off since my last pin (in the gym), my libido isn't as high as it was but its still GTG
lol
Can't tell ya brother on the hgh.
I've never ran it. I've heard good, but would only be parroting the info.
ok guys ill fill ym stats out? however this was just a topic for discussion/experience...
stats will be done NOW
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just checked my stats are filled in? just edited them aswell..
ill add stats here:
age 25
weight 245lbs or 111kg
years training 5 years on and off last 1.5 years seriously.
cycle experience, few oral cycles, couple of test only cycles
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