posted Tue, 02/17/2015 - 22:57
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Hi gents
Been searching online and found a lot of contradicting views on this...
So I'll have been on cycle for 20 weeks when I come off
I started with long esters for 12 weeks then finished up cutting with 8 weeks on short esters
(Test e,cyp, npp,bold cyp) to (test p and mast p)
I've 10,500iu hcg to hand just wondering when I should start my hcg?
I've 4 weeks left of my cycle, should I start this 2 weeks time or last week of cycle carry it on for a week past cycle then start pct?
Or should I run pct with hcg?
Also not sure on doses and how frequently?
Thanks guys in advance
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In regards to my comment below about my cycle log;
P2i2t; "Yep bud, I like your hcg cycle pattern...2 on, 2 off, 3 on, 2 off, 4 on, PCT...I have just always read to wait about 10 days after last HCG injection to begin PCT. You have listed here as 4 days. Not saying you are wrong and I am right but just wondering if that is what you have gained through studying or if you are just making a personal guess as how long to wait? I mean who really absolutely knows for sure? All we can do is research and make our best guess as to which process to follow."
I tried to find the half life of hcg. Through a bit of research I concluded (and there are many mixed reports) that it's about 40 hours, give or take 2-15 depending on where you are looking. The point of a little blast of hcg between last prop shot and beginning pct is two fold, it wakes up the balls and also keeps test levels up. So I figure you want to start the clomid/nolva before the hcg is completely inactive but nearing the end of it's bioavailability in order to avoid any test level crash and while the boys are still a bit awake. TO answer your question, pretty much it's my best guess.
Also brothers I've 1500iu amps
What's best way to mix these?
1.5ml solvent?
= every 0.1ml =100iu?
10 mark on slin pin?
So to so 250iu 0.25 ? Etc
P2i2tthat is the correct method. Yes you have the math right
Thanks for your input brother...
Just shot 500iu hopefully it helps my recovery....
Plus standard pct also adding triptorelin post pct to see what effect that has
P2i2tlike I said I would recommend 250iu every 3 days until you are 10 days away from your PCT. Then stop, wait 10 days and begin your recovery. just my personal recommendation.Good luck with everything bro!
MurderDeathKillHopefully the below might help. See post #28 (06-25-2011, 10:15 AM)
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/threads/134025-HCG-and-PCT-PLEASE-HELP!!!!
P2i2tso you are 4 weeks out from the end of your cycle correct? You should begin using HCG right away. Use 250iu every 3 days from now until you are 10 days away from your pct. Thats it. there are so many contradicting posts about this subject that it is hard to gauge an accurate answer on how this should really be done. Personally I like to use it much earlier in my cycle at the dosage I told you and I run it 4 weeks on then take two weeks off and repeat until I am 10 days away from my PCT. Then I discontinue use. Remember your e2 levels have a tendency to increase while using HCG so I recommend you have your AI dialed in properly and consider this into the equation. running such a long cycle it is too bad you didn't start earlier in your cycle using it. But at least you can start right now and you have a few weeks to begin the recovery process.
When you are on that long it's better to keep the balls responding. Some more advanced users might even use a low dose for the whole cycle if it's a long cycle. It's just my opinion bui like to keep my boys awake. You just have to be careful of possible gyno issues. I conquer
P2i2tcannot agree more. Hence the reason I told him I like to start mine much earlier in the cycle at the dose I told him which was 250iu e3d. have you ever heard of or tried the cycling pattern with using HCG like I stated? Some amount of time on and then some amount of time off throughout your cycle? that is the way I started doing it after researching and learning more about it. I learned that one should take care when using HCG as prolonged use could repress the bodys natural production of gonadotropins permanently. hence the "cycling" theory.basically cycling HCG within an aas cycle.Just curious if you have ever heard of doing that as well?and of course after being shut down for such a long period Of time, trying to get that jump start just off of Clomid alone is damn hard.
This is the theory I'll be going off of next round. Check out my cycle log. (I started it a long time ago, just haven't ran it yet for many reasons, and it's gone under many revisions)
Yes I heard of that and actually just tried it. I ran hcg in the middle of this last cycle for a while and then right before pct. I did read about not running it too long or you fuck your self up. But I've slso even heard of people using it their whole off cycle to keep gains. I wouldn't do that. My opinion is that the way you are talking about is the way to do it.