posted Sun, 03/30/2014 - 15:25
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Question regarding short vs long estered dosing
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4 cycles in
last cycle test prop/tren a/winny
I read recently a few posts online and wanted your guys opinion on the matter
I read that if i liked propin the 600 range and gradually bumped tren a fro 280/350/420 over the 9 week span of the cycle that id have to go a little higher on the longer esters.
I think the rationale behind it is that the shorter esters are more potent due to the shorter ester weights. So if i loved test in the 600s for prop the e might be 700.
In theory if i loved the ace at 280 weeks 1-3 id run the tren e at 320 or so to start.
then the next 3 weeks the ace was at 350 so the e would be at 400ish?
loved that first cycle but have long esters in the stash.
ty guys.
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Liquidzhi V its the very 1st thing i wrote in the thread. 39 =)
so whats you proposed cycle look like bro? test e @? tren e @?
Liquidzhi Flash and thanks for popping in.
test e weeks 1-14
tren e weeks 1-12
i really liked ramping the tren dose from low to moderate while keeping the test "almost" at a 2:1 ratio.
i tried test/tren ratios last cycle in all 3 forms using short esters and found sides to be almost non existent when its a 2:1 ratio, test:tren.
if my last cycle was insanely awesome using short esters id like to replicate it using long esters.
last cycle looked like this
weeks 1-9 test prop 600mgs
weeks 1-3 tren a 280mgs
weeks 4-6 tren a 350mgs
weeks 7-9 tren a 420mgs
with long esters just pick dosing and stick with it, no need for ramping up or down, start off moderate, put your tren higher than your test, get bloods mid cycle, caber @ . 25 e3d, adjust as needed, same with ai.....
He says he runs well and near side free @ 2.1 test/tren ratio........ explain to me your thought process by advising him to run tren higher than test?.... personally i think his stack is a well thought out plan derived from his own self-exp with tren and i believe he is using his personal learning curve really well.
I agree with your comment about not ramp/tapering with longs... but!.. i have to disagree with hopping on caber from the start-line, same with AI.............. i believe incorporate into the stack ONLY if needed.
Do not take this the wrong way you fiery ozzie MoFo you know vikes loves you but i just simply want you to explain your thinking...... thats all!!
yeah, sorry, i should of elaborated.... was waiting for him to write back to advise the timing of ai and caber.... same with the test tren was also waiting to elaborate....
Liquidzthat is true about the ratios.
with tren higher i got nasty sides
with tren 1:1 to test i got nasty sides
test 2:1 was perfect
would love your input because id hate to be stuck with sides for 2 weeks as opposed to 4-5 days.
Brother... there is always a debate with the test/tren ratios....... myself just like you i always run it 2 thirds to my test... thats what works for me and keeps sides at bay, ive tried every ratio going but at the end of the day always return back to the two thirds as it always does the business for me........... if you have tried different ratios like you say and they disagree with you it makes no sense to do it again on the premise "it may work this time".. stick to whats best for you bro, the saying goes.. "if it aint broke dont fix it".
Stick with the 2.1 bro..... thats your ticket use it well
Liquidzgreat advice andmy purchase is already in hand with those ratios in mind.
my question still kind of stands.
for example if i ran test prop at 600 and its 90% test due to the short id have to run the test e a little higher because it has 70% test to simulate the same cycle?
im gonna have to find a table of some kind displaying this info do the calculations and see where it falls i think.
btw ty very much for the thumbs up. right back at ya!