Show and Summer
Well Pct begins tomorrow. I just finished a test-e and dbol bulking cycle. I made significant gains, filled-in a couple week points a little better, and put on 25 lbs, plus another 6.5 lbs of water. About a week and a half after I dropped I dbol, I dropped the water. I started out about 161 lbs, made it up to 196.2, back down to 189.7 lbs currently. Foolish I didn't run a AI this time, not prone to gyno, but acne so I broke out moderately. I'm currently considering trying out a new medication. So on... I'm planning a new cutting cycle for the up and coming summer/competitions.I going to run a test based, whinny and equipoise cycle, with Letrozole AI...nolvadex pct. I was considering adding hcg, but probably not. My buddy and I has this never ending argument on his opinion about how to use a compound in its most beneficial way. When he began discussing hcg, he suggested that if I ran it on any cutting cycle, it would give me a more harden looked. I reminded him, that running hcg on cycle wasn't beneficial because the propose of hcg is to restore the testis to the functioning status, so taking external testosterone in levels high enough to stop natural testosterone production, would counteract the hcg causing it to be a waste. But of course he disagrees. Has anyone heard about running hcg on cycle causing you to get a more harden look? I've just never heard of it, and it to me logically doesn't make sense. How does it cause the hardening effect... Anyways I'll posts my cycle down below, Thanks Bros.
Status Age 28, Height 6', Weight 186.5 - 190-ish, Body Fat 7% *Trying to get around 3% summer/1st Show
Week 1-12 Test-C at 500 mgs twice a week
Week 1-12 Equipoise at 300 mgs once a week *
Week 6-12 Winstrol at 40 mgs every day **
Week 1-12 Letrozole at .5 mgs every other day ***
- I wanted to go with 300 mgs a week, because only ran it once and 300 mgs did a nice job.
** I've decided to run the Winstrol towards the last weeks, because I want to hold on to that hard look as long as possible.
*** I know the Equipoise and Winstrol doesn't aromatize but the test does, and I'm prone to acne.
Simple PCT No HCG
Week 14-16 Nolvadex 40 mgs every day
Week 17-19 Nolvadex 20 mgs every day
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Get some pics posted then i can better judge what you need.
(that cycle listed is crap by the way... you should be sharper than this after 5 runs)
Hmmm... looks you both waste your breath imo.
Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. I'm working on getting some pics up, my laptop usb is messed up so I can't upload through it, so my friend is going to let me use hers, when she comes down to visit next weekend. I really haven't build my cycles, I get advice from forums and the cycles I have ran were "simple" one or two compounds. I build a basic cycle; compiled of compounds I've ran previously and found beneficial to me, with the less amount of side effects... Very rarely do I consider running a new compound. The compounds I've used in the past is a limited variety...test-c/e, dbol, anadrol, winny, eq, and var. I know your thinking what no deca? no tren? I feel I haven't learnt enough about using them properly to begin a cycle with them, soon thou. I'm beginning my first show, and I wanted to get as ripped as possible. "Freaky Ripped". I came here because I know you guys are good at what you do and thankful for your help. With my diet spot on I can get down to 5-6% which is normal for me, but I wanted to get even lower, where all the saturation are clearly visible, and the muscle is most defined. possible 3-4% without losing any muscle tissue. I ran eq before it help me maintain my strength during my last cut cycle and I loved it. I really wanted to incorporate it back into this next cycle, but if I can't then I can't. It's about what I need, not what I want. If you can help me build a cutting cycle with a test-c/e base, possibly add var, eq or winny... It would be of a great help. Thank you again bro.
The other guys here seem to be taking care of your cycle quite well. Why did you choose Letrozole for your ai. Have you ever used it before?
which weeks would you suggest using it as a kick? I would imagine 1-4 and the last 2 weeks. And are you suggesting dropping the eq? I'm kinda left with a general idea here dude lol
yes , drop the eq and winny , run the test c , test prop kicker 125 eod 1st 4 weeks and taper last 4 drop the test c week 10 run the prop to week 12 ,then pct you can run proviron throughout , and have ai on hand , diet depicts goals run calories in deficit for cutting and up your cardio.......its all diet bro.
let me think it over, because I really want that really thin skin look, and I don't think dieting and thermogenics can give what I'm looking for. I've got 12 weeks to plan anyways, but I really want to run winny, it does miracles for my definition.
diet is everything , you dont use drugs for it maybe someone else will help you hear what you want to hear but i wont advise orals etc atm im all about test and diet bro sorry....
I respect that. Believe I understand the importance of dieting. Every morning I wake up , bust out the george foreman grill, cook my chicken and steak, pop my veggies in the microwave and jump rope while its cooking. The juice is just the cherry on the bananasplit so to speak. I ran 5 cycles before, both orals and injectables, hadn't had any trouble, but with acne. This will make number 6 and my third cutting cycle.... i dont understand what you mean by you won't advise orals at the moment, why not?
im safety first..you ever looked into mast ..... dont want you having liver failure and saying that flash guy said it was ok
believe it or not, when you said run test-p, mast poped in my head because its a EOD pinning. so I can mix is up with my test-p. So I can do something like
week 1-10 test-p 100mg/eod
week 1-8 mast. 100mg/eod
week 1-6 var 40mg/ed
pct
start a new post with new cycle layout including goals, ai , pct with history and stats bro start fresh see if we can get you a decent cycle ..use the advice i gave you here and ill shoot a few pms for you get extra help for you bro cheers
Okay give me a day or so, I'm really busy right now and just dont have the time.. thanks dude
getting better but first ... cycle history when did you come off?? pct ? time off im not giving the nod for abuse .....
I just finished a simple test-e 500mg for 12 weeks and dbol 40mgED for 6 weeks... I start pct tomorrow, but Im just getting things lined up for next time, I have no intentions to jump on before I've fully recovered from this cycle.
and whats your body fat after that cycle ??? you must off puffed up a bit from the dbol....you want 3percent ???
I think you can only stay alive at 3% for about 8-10 hours. Literally
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I may have that a bit over exaggerated. I'm sure maybe some pull it off for a couple day shows, but it's not a realistic long term goal. You literally can't stay alive at that low of a bodyfat for an extended period of time
Yeah I'm getting cut for a show... read this thou...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage
Reading that just affirmed what thought. 3-5% is essential fats for organ functions. A body isn't going to tolerate being in that state long without wanting to store some fats for energy. I was reading the post in the sense that this was a long term goal.
In competing, there's a lot more that goes into obtaining that low of a percentage. Diuretics and such, that probably wouldn't even be discussed openly on the boards.
Getting back to your post and the hcg, there are many benefits to using it on cycle. Keeping the boys from atrophy helps with the recovery process. I'm only speculating, but I can't see hcg helping with hardening the physique. It has a tendency to aid in estro conversion, so an ai should be in place. Anything that increases estro isn't going to cause a hardening effect.
Good luck on your upcoming competition. Keep us posted
Right now after I dropped the water from dbol, I'm at about 6-7%. I do high intensity training, and cardio twice a week, I eat real lean.. lean beef, turkey,chicken,veal... I've been taking a thermogenic since my last pin, trying to get a drop on my cutting cycle. I usually wake up when the alarm goes off, and pop my thermos, and go back to bed, ten minutes later, boom they hit me and it's time to rock and roll. Yeah I'm trying to get to three percent, I have somethings going on and I need to be extremely cut, and I might do my first show this year. I really want the wow factor his freaky ripped.
pct not good enough, to much letro....for a start.waste of eq......why not just do the test c with a prop kicker and taper .