Third Cycle advice?
Previous cycle:
1-10.. Test 450 - 450mg E3D
1-8.. Deca - 300mg E3D
1-4.. Dbol - 60mg ED
5-10.. TriTren 300mg E3D
Arimidex 0.5mg when necessary
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Edit......
Stats:
23 year old
190lbs
Goals:
Bulk, strength, mass
Yes the Tren I went in at the deep end. Luckily and I say that naively, I had no side effects. Felt a bit shtty into second week but after that. All went great. And the strength increase was shocking! In a good way. I'm not an experienced lifter but fck me. Felt on fire.
Next cycle, am thinking the same? Is it a good idea to throw Tren in for the next cycle or should I give myself a break? Also. Thinking of swapping Dbol for Anavar due to the fact that I just don't think I react well to dbol, sh*t results from them. No strength gains. Huge lethargy, feel like I'm on a comedown.
Deca and Tren a good idea? Swapping dbol for avanar a good idea? Cycle look okay?
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Damn bro, I have a better cycle. I think you are committed enough to run it a little longer than you had originally planned. I'm talking a four year cycle! Holy shit Ed did you say a four year cycle? You bet your ass I did.
Year 1-4 eat chicken, fish, venison, beef, Greek yogurt, and any other protein you can get your hands on. Load that shit up bro!
For a kicker, really study you workout routines, make some goals, and study your ass off.
If you find yourself still committed to the lifestyle after the four years look into a nice 12 week 500 mg/ week cycle of test E.
Followed up with a proper pct of Nolva and Clomid. Maybe even a little aromasin.
Come on man, are you really wanting to burn up your nuts this early in life? Male menopause at 23? Think about it brother. Be smart, be safe. Cause Ed loves you.
No homo
You need to drop then tren for sure, you used a TriTren for your first time that's insane. I am on a Test/Deca cycle now. I feel amazing at 600ng test e and 250mg deca a week. I pin twice a week and that's it. I'm am currently 187-189 I am up 15-17 pounds in 8 weeks, I am just a little leaner with no bloat look people complain about. Yrs water is there but its not much. Just take a basic cycle for now brotha and listen to thesr guys they are here to help all of us
Wow this cycle is crazy. You say you have a kid. Do you care about being healthy enough to watch it grow? This is sad
Test/Deca/dbol is a standard bulker. Use it. Your comments and the tone leave me with the impression your gonna do whatever u want and why are we here? U wanna keep running multiple 19-nor compounds together (Tren/Nandrolone) and u think u will continue to be IMPERVIOUS to complications from that. Do u know what a dopamine agonist is? Ever heard of progesterone based gynecomastia? Fear not, the doc will explain it to you before the surgery. If u think this is flame bro, respond to me in a sarcastic arrogant way son. I've been at this for 15 years and I only write to help boys like you not wreck their health and get something positive out of their AAS programs.
Good Luck,
GearHead
I'm slipping - Jason G. below calc'd this out:
Let me just verify for the advanced crowd and site leadership:
Your last cycle that u want to repeat yields 3,150 mg on a 3-pin week (E3D) and 2,100 mg on a 2-pin week (E3D) not including the dbol. You're 23.
Aw, shucks. Let's throw in the dbol too, shall we:
So, for the first month if you back the Tren up u will be running 3,570 mg on a 3-pin week (E3D) and 2,520 mg on a 2-pin week (E3D)
Bro, I like giving everyone the benefit of the doubt, really I do, and you are the very first member that has provoked me to drop out of a thread. You can spend pages telling us how much you want sound advice and express a contrite willingness to take criticism, but what u have already done speaks volumes. Maybe others will trust and believe. I just can't in your particular case. Probably my bad. Maybe, maybe not. I realize my limitations and I know that I am not the perfect judge of character. I hope that I have misjudged here - for your sake bro.
I agree with you.
I appreciate your help. I've got a 7 year old daughter 'son', I think my boyish years wore off when I realised the novelty of having a daughter wore off. I'm sorry to bring that out of context but don't undermine me. But your right, I had a feeling mixing deca with tren was a bad idea. Unfortunately I listened to the advice of a gym, it seems it's gym logic vs. the internet and unfortunately the majority of my friends are naive to steroids so there isn't anywhere else to turn? On that note it was difficult between making the justifiable choice. I'm aware of dopamine agonists. I'm not sure if you mean antagonists. Dopamine agonists could be anti depressants for example and used for ADD in kids etc. I think I know what your getting at.
I had caber on hand for progesterone. Being first cycle I were looking for leaky nipples but fortunately I had no such side effect. Had adex on hand for temporary estrogen subsidence.
I enjoyed it mate. That's not to say what I did was clever and that's why I've come back to get some advice. Having made the choice to listen to the gym seeing as that's where I spend my time and can get gear from, it became more of an easy choice but this is a learning curve is it not? I'm by no means some jumped up 'boy' you are referring too. I've seen the troll cycle posts myself, seen the silly cycle logs, seen the flame wars. I've been watching, I've been here. There is no limit to what I want to learn and I studied for a good year or so before jumping into my first cycle which if you'll see was just a test E + Dbol cycle for 12 weeks. I've listened. I'm aware listening to my gym may of been a bad mistake but I'm putting money in that place, paying my membership, buying my supplements. Pretty much spend more time in that place than anywhere else. Hard to just use the gym and ignore the staff but that's maybe where I went wrong.
Anyway, I appreciate the help nonetheless.
The guys bellow have made some very good points that you should take on board mate.
I also think you're a bit young to be cycling, but it sounds as if you're just going to go ahead regardless anyway, so let me say this - be safe! 2450mg per week (excluding the dbol) is a fuckload of gear to be running with your experience - there's absolutely no reason why you can't grow very well on less than half of that.
The fact that you seem very keen to learn and accept criticism is a great start. If you're absolutely insistent on running AAS, take everything on-board, keep asking questions, and keep researching.
I'd definitely recommend staying away from tren - you really don't need it mate. If you're planning on running Nandrolone for that length of time, choose NPP over Deca; due to the half-life of the Phenylpropionate ester versus the Deconate ester.
J
Undermine you? Son, any 23 year old is a boy to me. When you get older you will feel the same way. Ain't gonna change. One of our lead MODs on this site is in his 50's - if he thinks of me as son or boy - I'll take it as a compliment. Must mean the anti-aging effects of GH are working nicely!
I'm gonna do something now that will be my first time ever. You are not worth me losing my temper. There are 100's of guys on this site that will provide you with excellent and sound advice. Use it, profit by it, stay here and learn.
I'm out.
Best of Luck to You in Your Pursuits,
GearHead
There you go again mate, undermining me again :/ I'm here to learn. None of us are kids here. We are all adults. This is an adult community. It's an adult lifestyle. What are you getting at? I think you've got a problem with me being younger than you. I don't want to be 50 years old, I'm 23. And I'll act and feel as young as I can for as long as I can because before you know it, I'll be 50. I hope by then I still keep the same respect I have for all ages and all walks of life as I have now. Seem like a very temperamental fella to me. Like I said, I'm here to learn. Not to be undermined. But I appreciate your help, albeit packaged and projected in a very demeaning manner. I'm here to learn as I've already said. I made a mistake. I'm aware that listening to the guys at the gym isn't a good idea but I'm a nice guy, I like to listen, I like to learn and like I said, that's probably my downfall. Knowing when and who to trust. But I'll remember next time.
I'm far from arguing or attempting to challenge you. I have no need to do whatsoever. Just here to talk to like minded individuals who share the same hobby as me. Anyway, thanks mate
Not an experienced lifter? Why are you juicing? :/
No reason to run both tren and deca.
You don't really know what you're doing.
Read more and stick to test only if anything at all.
By experienced I mean, I haven't been lifting for 20+ years. I haven't just jumped into steroids buddy, been training now for 2 years. And as I thought, read a lot about deca and tren not going well together.
Stats
Age: 23
Height: 5'10
Weight: 12.5st
BF: 10
23 is too young especially for tren. My advice would be to wait a few years, then come back and get on something simple.....
You are probably going to get flamed for this post as well.
Let em flame lol I'm here to learn like the rest of us here. I was anxious about jumping onto the tren train. Read alot about leaving to the last, being a strong compound. Yet I tried it, I did my research. Maybe fucked up mixing it with deca but that couldn't be helped seeing as it was in my cycle way before I came across the inclusion of tren.
Have you had bloodwork done? You ran 2 19nors with no prolactin control and a fairly weak PCT with some compounds that can really shut you down. IF you haven't please go get some done, beyond that I have no more advice to give.
Obviously you didn't do enough research regarding tren. All I've heard you and folks your age is about how strong tren is, etc. It may be strong, but it is by far the most dangerous one out there. Research is knowing exactly what all the sides are and how to combat them. It also means what you mix it with and what you don't. When you take meds from the pharmacy, they tell you what you can't mix your meds with. It's standard procedure. You've completely missed this. I'm not bagging, just to bag. I'm pointing out that you have lots more research to do.
You don't need to be running tren or really any juice at your age or experience level. I hope you take a hard look at this and make some wise choices.
Post stats in this question among with your GOALS for this 3rd cycle so MODS/PROS can help you better
Can't remember how to change my stats on profile, weight has changed as have number of cycles etc. Added to original post.
So what is your GOALS???
Or you simply running gear for the heck of it??
My goals are in the original post mate. As you requested, they are there. But for the point of the conversation. I'm looking for bulk, mass and strength.