ECA, Clen, DNP Which one to use?
I have been looking through the forum inside and out to see which one of the three methods to use to lose body fat.
I am 5'7" and currently weighing 188# with 22% bf. I would like to get down to 15%.
Here is what I have learned...
ECA: Ephedra, Caffeine, and Aspirin
From my research, if I do the dosage correctly this is effective but it takes longer for the body fat to drop and can be safer of the other two.
Clenbuterol:
Stronger than ephedra and even after finishing a cycle there are beneficial lingering effects for body fat to continue to drop. The draw back for me has been injections (more effective) since I never injected myself before. Orals are ok but has to go through the digestive tract before going into the bloodstream and can lose some of its potency.
DNP:
The most dangerous of the three and although many have not died taking it (knock wood) but if not used correctly can lead to death. Basically it is an ingredient that can be used within herbicides and insecticides but if taken correctly burns fat quickly.
I know each of these have their ups and downs and started this forum to hear from other people's experience and suggestions.
If there is anything else I need to know, personally message me to chat more about this.
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I had an amazing run with DNP. It cut fat faster than clen eca and t3. Use it at your own risk, do your research, dont exceed too much. Listen to your body, you will know when the sides are too much
STICK TO DNP! If you don't consider yourself to be a retard all you need is dnp. 250-300 2 x per day am and pm drink tons of water and don't over eat you can loose a huge amount of fat in one month. Probably the best results you could possibly imagine.
I just bought some on ebay...
You'e trolling for DNP in 4 different posts!?! Wow, the level of stupidity is staggering!
Dude are you going to respond to every DNP thread and tell us how good it is? I must consider myself a retard cause I can cut without it. Go jerk off somewhere else with your poison.
IMO The closest thing to a "magic" weight loss pill is DNP. However if you don't know that already or have any questions regarding DNP than run a 2 week cycle of EXTENSIVE READING ABOUT DNP's EFFECTS ON THE HUMAN BODY BEFORE YOU BEGIN CONSUMING IT! The desired effects you're left with post "cycle" outweigh the negative effects felt during. Knowledge gets you to post "cycle".
Most(if not all) chemicals discussed on here can be disastrous to well being if not to life in general WHEN misused. Preparation and understanding are the keys to overall success not the chemicals themselves.
You bumped a month old thread to spout off about using DNP!?! Did you read the thread? BAD advice: -1.
I like his message. He stated to research the compound extensively before using it. To many times people consume a substance without understanding how it works or what it does. DNP is dangerous and isn't something to play around with. It is like exercise in a pill, very effective at burning fat. So effective it can roast your organs from the inside out. When educated properly, it limits the ability of a user to harm themselves with the drug.
Research is key, I agree, but I think DNP is pure garbage and poison. I just don't think any of it's benifits out-weigh it's positives.
I agree with everyone including vhman that research is key.
On another observation, everyone says that diet and working out is key too.
If I exhausted all other avenues of what I can do to no avail, should I look at other alternatives?
Finally, if everyone says not to do this or not to that then why have a forum or website like this?
The choice is yours. Dnp is super dangerous and there are tons of great alternatives. I think the forum has worked great. Maybe your not happy with the answer, but I am not always happy with everything that is said here, but I keep an open mind and try to do the things that work best for me and my health.
The DNP is a tricky one, because it is so dangerous and the creators and moderators of this site don't want people to get poor information regarding it. They've basically taken the stand to say don't every use it and I fully agree with it. It's just not worth it.
Don't be afraid to post up, because of this tread or what was said. There was great and correct advice given. If you're still intent on using DNP, you will have to look elsewhere for that info. But if you're looking for just about anything else, this is the pace for you.
I would do the Eca with clen. 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off for the clen. I just found injectable clen and yohimbine so I might give that a shot haha get it shot.
Of course if your diet sucks don't bother using any of these
There is no magic pill, if you can loose weight with clen or ephedrine you can loose weight with diet and exercise alone. Carb cycling may be necessary, how much water are you drinking? I promise you if you told me what you ate and drank the last month along with your workout schedules ill tell you why your not loosing weight.
I drink at least 32 oz of water a day. I have cut my sugar to 1 tbsp. every other day to my coffee and trying to cut it down to none. I don't have any sodas or sweet tea anymore.
I have three servings of vegetables a day, 2 fruits, pain yogurt, cereal in the morning with flax seed and whole grains, and 3 proteins.
What is wrong with oral Clen? I find it strong enough and have never seen an injectable version of it.
ChemDawg, when I read what I wrote I need to clarify.
You're right there's no true form of an injectable Clen.
However, what I wanted to say is that I have never done an injection on my before in my life and if there is an injectable Clen, I don't know where I would inject myself. I'd rather do oral.
I appreciate the feedback everyone is giving +1 to everyone and will respond to some of the things you all said.
I am not dieting but rather changed my eating habits/lifestyle. I have changed it for over a couple of years now but my metabolism is still slow. Nutritionists have kept changing my eating habits until something works for me to burn fat to little avail.
Doctors have done blood-work and believe the cause may be an imbalance that I have caused by the radiation treatment I had when I had cancer 7 years ago.
I have been working out during the same time as well with a personal trainer. They have measured me and I have been at 28% and now down to 22%. I figured 15% is a happy medium since men should be between 12%-18%.
I am leaning toward ECA and staying far away from DNP. I would like to hear more about Clen. If there are other alternatives as well, please post here or pm me too.
nanobot-dnpIf all else fails remember the answer to all your problems is DNP. The cancer causing effects of DNP are not caused because it is a carcinogen but rather it's effect on the immune system. If your cancer was caused by HPV then yes I would stay faaaar away. If it was caused by something else I would trust my instinct and still stay faaaaar away.
If you wanna go this route i recommend xenical...
That a boy give that a shot first for a few months. When you hit 15% then re-evaluate if you want to go further. Post up your diet. How many kcals you getting in? What is your cardio regime?
nanobot-dnpIt depends... Are you worried about loosing muscle mass?
ECA - Probably one of the worst choices. You don't want to use stims like that when trying to loose weight your going to be left very disappointed with the results on your fat and your brain. If you need an appetite suppressant ECA is not the answer. Stims are not the answer to burning fat either.
Clen - it's to potent and neuro toxic. Again a major disappointment. It's just not worth it. The cost and the benefits.
DNP - This shit is the answer to all of your fat burning needs. You will loose some muscle mass but its worth it because you can loose ALL of your fat with this shit. You dont fuck up your brain or anything else. When you come off of it you have lost all the fat you ever dreamed about and feel great! Just make sure you dont work out to hard on it. No stims and your good.
Awful response.
How about diet, rather than steering someone down the path if a risky substance like DNP?
-2, that isn't how we do things here.
To the op, sounds like you need to look at your diet. 22% BF suggests changes required if you want to lower that number.
nanobot-dnpYou don't think the guy knows about dieting? If he is looking into these substances then its obviously clear (to me... not you) that he has already tried dieting and it isn't helping. Thank you lord SDM for the negative karma and your GODLY opinion about my post...
So, rather than being sarcastic, why don't you explain to me how you justify putting someone's safety as a second priority? If you choose to do it that way, that's fine. Where I have an issue with your advice, (you can see it's not just me right?), is that you are promoting a risky drug to someone who you assume has his diet in check. At 22% bf, I'll suggest it's quite likely there's nothing that can't be solved with some diet and cardio adjustments. So to answer your question, it's possible the op doesn't know enough about dieting or may even just be looking to cut corners etc. I assume nothing until I find out.
If you disagree with me giving you a negative in your karma, contact a moderator, they may credit it back to you. They may also view it in a poor light as I have.
Considering your username is nanobot-dnp you must be an authority on the drug. Why don't you mention the risk involved by using DNP? People been shedding fat long before dnp came around. Seems to me ppl are willing to risk their life to lose fat.
OP go with the ECA and go get your heart rate up. Get off your ass and do it right.
25mg Ephedrine
200mg Caffeine
100mg Aspirin
You don't always have to have the aspirin I like to leave it out every other day.
nanobot-dnpI tried it all just like the rest of them. Nothing works for me. Cardio, diet, clen, xenical, hgh frag, hgh, ect... I tried everything and nothing worked! I am a strong believer in the power and safty of DNP when used responsibly. Maybe I should start a thread explaining my method of use and why I believe so strongly in it.
That's what works for you! Not what works for everyone. The OP made no mention that he has tried everything in his power to lose weight. As a matter of fact most people don't need any of the 3 things here to lose weight especially going from 22& to 15% BF. Any of those methods should be used to SHRED up. I find it hard to believe that a diet in check and proper cardio would not drop BF.
Your post reminds me of a girl I know that is like 280lbs. She tells me she tried everything to lose weight but yet had like 6 empty Doritos bags on the floor of her car. Or better yet she says that her thyroid prevents her from losing weight as she swigs her Mountain dew.
Go with the ECA and do some HITT training 3-5 times a week. 500 kcals under your maintenance and you should be stripping fat off like no tomorrow.
Fuck the DNP. Your not competing for a show at 20+% bf so this is not for you.
Dude at 188 & 22% body fat just tells me you are either too lazy to make a diet plan or simply you just eat anything and everything. Try manipulate carbs. Uncle "MAD HOSS" VIKING has a superb plan proben by PROS to drop body fat contest preparation style, lots of us has tried successfully. You should be able to find it in the forums ubder diet & excercise.
I've tried Clen myself at low dosages and tapper up but it's get weaker after week 2. You already know what to do im sure, cardio and intense work outs combined with a low calorie diet. Good luck!!!
aylmejor22% I have a feeling you're over estimating. Throw a pick up. Eca is good. Never done Clem. Fuck dnp.
Diet and cardio is the way. ECA is pretty safe, no reason to mess with clen, and DNP is just stupidity.
Obama BlowsNOT THE FUCKING DNP!