+ 10 Proviron in PCT and as a bridge - putting it to the test!
I'm planning to add Proviron to my PCT and to also use it as a bridge. I recently completed the following cycle: http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/8th-cycle-4th-in-the-past-3-years-sust-...
I'm in week 3 of my PCT and my libido is lower than it's been in past cycles. In addition, since my current cycle was almost 20 weeks, I'm going to have several months off and have read it's a good bridge. I've done a fair amount of research but the consensus seems to be that 50% recommend it and the other 50% don't. Since the consensus also seems to be that Proviron doesn't suppress LH production I'm going to man up and find out how it will work for me.
My plan is to begin with 25mg/day and run it for a week. If I don't see much improvement, I'll up the dose to 50mg/day split into AM & PM doses. I plan to update this log weekly. My current stats are:
38 years old
5'9"
205lbs
10%bf
This is either my 9th or 10th cycle but I have never used Prioviron, on or off cycle. Input from anyone who has used a similar protocol is greatly appreciated!
Edit - To reduce the number of "variables", I decided to begin the bridge with pharma proviron and run it until I get bloods. This will make certain the gear is good so when I run bloodwork in a few weeks, I can be absolutely sure if it was suppressive or not.
Update, End of Week 1 - 12/25/13
Weight is still holding at 205. Lost some vascularity from being off the EQ and var for approximately 6 weeks and 4 weeks respectively, however, I've had no loss in strength. Libido is improving and I'm starting to experience slight hair loss but nothing significant. Most noticeable are the pumps that are back, similar to when on var. I no longer feel "flat" or smooth. Dosing was 25mg/day taken 1st thing in the morning.
Update, Week 2 1/2/14
Weight is down a little, holding at 202. My muscles don't feel quite as "full" but I still haven't experienced any noticeably loss in strength. My libido is very good.and the pumps while lifting are still solid, still similar to when I was running Var. My only concern so far has been some hair loss, most noticeably when I wash or brush my hair. Not a significant amount but similar to when I've run oral winstrol at 50mg/day. I've still got a full head of hair and plan on keeping it that way, so I'll be keeping an eye on the hair loss. That said, this is the best I've felt 6 weeks after my last injection ever and I'm certain it's because of the proviron. It's the only thing I've done differently this time around. Plan is to continue to take 25mg/day 1st thing in the morning and will run bloodwork toward the end of the month.
Update, Week 3 1/8/14
Nothing new to report since last week, which is a good thing! Weight is still 202. Strength still the same, libido and pumps are great. I can honestly feel like I am still "on", especially during my workouts. The pumps continue to be consistent with being on Var. Still experiencing some hair loss, at about the same rate as it has been the past few weeks. So far, the proviron bridge is exceeding my expectations and I'm still only at 25mg/day.
Update, Week 4 1/15/14
This week is still about the same as last week. Weigh still the same, holding at 202 but I noticed a slight decline in strength when I did chest two days ago. Couldn't do quite as many reps on flat bench and incline. That said, I have never held this much size and strength and felt this "tight" and "hard" two months after a cycle ended. The only negative continues to be some accelerated hair loss... My hair doesn't look any different; it's only noticeable in the shower when washing my hair or when brushing it. Looking forward to getting bloods done in a few more weeks...
Update, Week 5 1/25/14
Weight is down to 200 and I'm noticing a little more strength loss and I've lost some more vascularity. Pumps and muscle hardness are still very good and well above where they normally are for me about 8 weeks post cycle. I'm starting to wonder if 50mg/day would make a difference but am going to stick to 25 throughout this bridge. My current plan is to use Provi as a bridge after my next cycle at 50mg/day so I can compare the difference between the two. Still noticing some hair loss in the shower and sink but my hair otherwise looks the same. Still very satisfied with this bridge.
Update, Week 6 2/1/14
Everything is still consistent with last week - weight still holding at 200 even... my strength is about where it was last week, which was down but much higher than what I normally retain 9 weeks after my last shot (November 30th). Biggest visual difference continues to be lost vascularity, which is to be expected since I was very vascular from the var and EQ. I'm still noticing some hair loss but again, visually, my hair looks no different. Pumps are still great and my libido is back to normal, if not, slightly better than normal. I just ordered a blood test that will include FSH & LH, Testosterone Total & Free. This test is simply to test the effects of proviron; I'll run a more complete blood test just before I go back on. My test is scheduled for Monday and I'll post up my results as soon as I receive them. Check back in a few days and I'll post up a link.
Update, Week 7 2/10/14
Got my blood work done and unfortunately, it didn't come back as I hoped. LH & FSH came in at .01 & .02 respectively. Test level is only 204. The one positive was my free test, which is at the higher end of normal, 22.5. This is also higher than where I'm normally at off cycle. I just re-initiated a PCT protocol to get me up and running. While I hoped for a more positive outcome, I knew this was also a possibility. You can view my full post with blood work at: http://www.eroids.com/pics/proviron-as-a-bridge-lab-results-after-7-weeks
Edit 2/12/14
The more megaT883 and I discussed it, the more uncertain I am that it was the proviron that shut me down. His point was essentially how do I know if I was fully recovered before I began the provi? The answer is that I can't because I didn't run bloods after pct and before I began the proviron. What if I would have had a different outcome if I was fully recovered?
It would be great to see someone run provi as a bridge but only do so after pct and after they run bloods to confirm they've recovered. If someone were to do this, run bloods during or immediately following the bridge, and have the bloods come back that they too are shut down, we can more definitively conclude that it was the provi that shut them down.
Regardless, I hope this helps some of you who are considering doing the same.
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Hey man question. Do you think a super low dose like 6.25mg QD Clomid and Proviron 25-50mg ED run together a good idea? I ran Clomid solo and didn't like the sides. The Clomid could prevent the POSSIBLE suppression of LH & FSH from Proviron. I have "normal" values in all hormones but my libido isn't great.
good posts and feedback...+1 sir
I may do what you said you wished you'd done and get post PCT bloods to make sure I have recovered and THEN test it out ("it" being proviron as a bridge) for about 8 weeks and have bloods done again to see what is different. I just finished pct yesterday. I will get bloods next weekend... and if I am in a good place, I may post up a log similar to this. But this time with a proper frame of reference prior to the use of the proviron. My only concern is that the blood tests I usually get show LH, FSH, Estradiol, and Total Testosterone but not Free Testosterone. Just to add the free it will cost me over 100 extra bucks a test. I am thinking about just saying whatever to the free and only concerning myself with the other numbers, as I already know the proviron I will be using is good and it will raise my free test levels either way. I assume the rest of the levels are plenty enough to assess any real shutdown and that is the true purpose of the experiment.
That's great to hear. I'm very interested to see your results. Let me know if you keep a log and I'll add a link to your post to this one... I know there are many others who will be interested as well.
I agree with you not needing your free test numbers to determine if you've recovered, however, you may want to consider adding it if you want a baseline on your free test. This way you can compare and determine the impact proviron, which may also help others on proper dosing of provi (i.e. 25, 50, or 75mg/day etc...) as well as when to take it.
Thanks for the +1... Glad to help the community out.
Yeah, I agree. I really wish the free test was on my normal test, for the exact reason you stated... but I can't see spending an extra 200+ (over 100 extra bucks each test, pre and post). At least not right now. Got a lot of bills coming up. Ha. Summer is always hard on me. I will get all the other numbers just for the sake of seeing about shutdown and
Also, +1 for doing this in the first place. It is a great thing and I hope that I can add to it a bit.
Nice Post Bro, I just noticed it and appreciate all the updates. Planning on running EQ and Proviron together and continuing with Proviron after cycle this time throughout PCT just to avoid the crash I had last Year with Deca. Love the feeling of Manliness Proviron gives You along with the added well being sense, will continue to use this interesting compound and experiment with It.
Dbombs, i personally experienced some crazy hair loss from proviron and just like you it was little by little and i kept ignoring it until family started to notice and point out my widows peak had recceeded significantly. Thankfully the hair grew back due to stopping proviron and through my wonder drug HgH that i use year round.
My advice: go to the store and get some nioxin shampoo/conditioner. It made a huge difference for me when running DHT compounds. You can also combo the shampoo with Finestride 1mg that your doctor will gladly prescribe for hairloss.
I am following this thread as i really love proviron as a drug, if only i can control the hairloss factor!
ZewiAnabolXI have to ask in your pct did you run aromison??
Also how are you taking the proviron what hours each day???
Yes sir. 12.5 EOD for the 1st two weeks, 6.25 EOD the last two. I'm only taking 25mg provi in the morning upon waking (around 5:30AM). I was going to run 50mg but wanted to start with the lowest dose possible. In hindsight, I probably should have split the dose in half and took it 12hrs apart. I plan to use your provi for my next bridge, 25mg twice a day to see what the difference is. Thanks Zewi!
ZewiAnabolXIt's to low for a bridge.. you need a min of 50... 75 is even better either way split next time at these times.. 9am, 3pm, 9pm...and you will see a major improvment.
25mg is just enough to hold some things together however, since you sticking with 25mg take it at 9pm right before bed..
I bet you notice a change..
Thanks for your input! You insight is always appreciated. 50mg was my original plan but I always try to start as low as possible. You live and learn. If my blood work comes back normal, I plan to go back on in a few weeks. I'll switch up the dosing of the provi for my current bridge to 9PM as you suggest.
Next cycle is going to be an all EA test prop, NPP cycle (and possibly an oral) followed up with a EA provi bridge. Looking forward to finally cracking open your gear
I'll follow the protocol you just mentioned on my bridge following the prop/NPP cycle. Thanks again brother!
ZewiAnabolXAnytime and I love what your doing here if I could give you + I would this is Awsome what your doing.. keep it up..
roughneck12all I learned from you as a nobie that allowed me to do cycles with zero sides and understand how to find what works for me thanks. I'll bump it for you brother.
Thanks brother! There's so much to be taken from this site; it's nice to be able to give back once in a while.
AnonLet us know how the test goes I'm very curious in the results
Absolutely... I'll post up my blood work results as soon as I get them.
Very interesting and ironic. I just ordered proviron for the first time for the same reason. I appreciate your post. It's just what I was looking for.
No problem! Hope this helps. FYI - just added my update for the past week.
AnonI've done something very similar many years ago, but purely for libido purposes rather than to retain gains. It did work to an extent, no miracles, but was sure as hell 1000 times better than being on nothing when that libido had gone for walkies ;-) Since then I have followed a slightly different approach, and that is I run HCG on cycle throughout the entire cycle, and I do do extremely long cycles, running HCG about 300Ius roughly twice a week (give or take) for the entire duration of the cycle worked wonders for rebound and libido in recovery, not to mention retaining gains! Sorry if this is deemed as off-topic, I just thought I'd add me $0.02 here
Very interested in this. Thanks for testing out the theory.
AnonWhat doses are you running your nolvadex and clomid? Are you running Aro?
Hey bro - currently im only running the proviron. My pct ended a few weeks ago and im into my bridge. I listed my pct dosages for nova, aroma, and Clomid on my cycle that I hyperlinked above. You start your pct yet?
AnonStarting today man. Gonna stick to clomid at 100/100/50/50 nolvadex 20/20/10/10 with Aro at 6.25 ed. I'm just gonna save the proviron since there is so much mixed opinions on if it's ok to run in pct. +1 on your log
Not a bad idea. I plan to post up bloods near the end of the month. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed the low dose wasn't suppressive. I'll know soon enough.
Going into pct sucks! Good luck!
Can't wait to see your bloods, good job my friend
+1 for this!
eryximachusThanks so much for keeping a good log going. Looking forward to reading this further.
No problem... glad to help! I've gained so much from this site, adding a little value is the least I can do. I plan to keep this going at least until my next round of bloods which won't be for a few more weeks. I'll continue to update weekly.
AnonI'm doing the same thing in a few weeks I'll be running it in my pct and as a bridge. There's all mixed opinions on it and this will be my first time using proviron. I've talked to Mak and Zewi both about this and both agree it will not shut you down at 50 mgs in PCT. I trust anything those two say so that's what I'll be doing
zewi's knowledge is amazing, its a shame he couldnt stick around as a member.
AnonZewi is here
^^This^^
Thanks for the feedback LC! What sealed my decision to do this was after I read Zewi's post in his forum on his website (Proviron Understand when to use it). I've been running the Proviron for a week and just updated my log. I plan to do the same every week through the duration of my bridge.
Interested to hear more results!
Bro isn't proviron a DHT? I'm pretty sure that will suppress your natty test right? It frees up free test but that only really works if ur on a bunch of exogenous test...idk about bridging with that. But I do love proviron on cycle
It works by binding to SHBG. At 25mg it will not suppress.The older studies I have seen have shown it does not shut you down at doses below 50mg day. There was one where 100mg of injectable proviron was given I think it was a study where they were using it for depression and it did have a suppressive effect at that dose.
Yeah, that's what I was reading, which is why I decided to begin using it the other day. Although it has a half-life of about 12 hrs, I'm probably just going to dose 25mg in the AM. If/when bloods prove it i sn't suppressive for me, I'll run 25mg twice a day during my next pct and bridge. Thanks Mega for your feedback!
It is but from what I've read, Proviron doesn't suppress LH and FSH levels if run at a relatively low dose. I've also read that it potentially helps increase LH levels but the proof will be in the results...Thanks for your feedback!
I just bridged my last cycle to this current one with proviron@ 50mg everyday. Kept a lot of gains and felt good and not pct depressed. Libido stayed strong. Proviron is a great drug.
That's great to hear. Did you split the dose into two 25mg doses? How long was your bridge? Thanks brother!
From what I've read the guys that are using it in pct or a bridge dose it once in the morning because of it's 12hr half life. That gives it time to reduce in your body while you are sleeping when your body is producing test. I'm gonna give it a go during my next pct also.
That's a good point. I'm most likely going to start with 25mg in the morning for a week and see how it goes. Thanks!
LaBahiaSo did proviron do the Job? I am about start PCT do you suggest including proviron along with Nolva/clomid
thanks
So far I'm very happy with it... I'm on the provi about 3 1/2 weeks so far and my update above for week 3 is where I'm at. I'll determine if I use it as a bridge again after I get blood work in a few weeks to determine if I've had any shutdown. As I mentioned above, this is the best I've felt post cycle ever but I won't recommend it one way or another until I see my blood work. Hope this helps.