+ 4 sub-q to stop trensomnia
anybody pin their oils like this? Ive done countless pins where it barely went in and I pinned it anyway just below the skin and I could never tell any difference in the cycle. So ive been thinking about it for months and finally gave it a shot last night. tren sleep sides have been destroying me so I mixed it up yesterday and took the shot sub-q right before bed, it burned for quite awhile but ill be damned if I didnt sleep like a baby last night. im gonna run with this and see what happens, my thoughts are that maybe with the dispersion rate a little slower then IM it will be more like running a ester longer then acetate. im figuring I might need to up the dose as it might lose some potency as well, but im willing to do whatever to get sleep. anybody else ever try this? what kind of results did you experience?
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well I been sleeping like a champ, no night sweats, no tossing and turning, no crazy dreams. And my mornings are absolutely fucking awesome, ive never been able to get the recovery time needed on tren cycles, the best I was able to do was take two naps on the weekends to try and make up for lack of sleep. But it isnt even close to the same as getting good deep sleep. Its really kinda hard to believe that this actually works and ive never heard of or read anywhere that it works. if you have insomnia with tren im telling you this is something your gonna wanna consider. I cut out all compounds but my TRT and tren-a to see if it would work so I dont know how it will work in synergy with other compounds but to be honest I would be willing to bet that someone could get away with running a high dose test with it and not suffer the tren sides, just a guess. my stomach stays tender like wasp stings for several days after shot and you can feel the oil under skin so if you are competing then try this on the off season. cant wait to see how you guys get on with this, I wont run it any other way now.
BigBmajWonder what would happen with a shallow IM shot in the shoulder using a slin pin? I'll bet you would get a similar release with much less discomfort. I do not like sub q shots at all.
ClassyChassisThat's great! One small step for Roid Noid, one giant leap for Trenkind. (-:
in do time when people start trying it we shall see how giant it is. I know I feel great and have been sleeping fine like im off cycle, and my body weight has jumped several pounds, my mornings feel really good and I can clearly feel the growth from a good night of sleep. it will be interesting to see what people think about tren if it can be ran with minimal to no sides, will it still be you shouldnt run it till 10 cycles? we shall see!
StevebI know a couple people who inject all there roids that are 1cc or less subq. They get the same effects as doing it IM. And if they get an abscess and it needs to get cut out. They will be cutting out fat and not muscle, but that would just be a worse case scenario.
Ace VenturaI'm sorry, I'm not sure I follow. Is the word "there" supposed to show ownership in this situation? I'm confused.
StevebYes professor dick head, I put there when I should have used the possessive their. +1 for pointing out my mistake.
Ace VenturaThank you Steve
Lmao!
Some people can handle sub oils just fine. When I pinned sub for a short time, it seemed like the oil just sat under the skin and I got some lumps. Not something I'm trying again
the ONLY reason im doing it is cause its tren and im trying to figure out a way to use it and get more then a couple hours sleep. I see no logical reason for pinning other oils sub-q. I will comment on another thing that I have noticed in a few days or so.
well im pinning right before bed and im sleeping all night with only a wake or two. sure my stomach is sore but i really dont care, my workouts where being effected from lack of sleep, I was falling a sleep at the wheel driving home from work, some days i was looking stoned my eyelids where so damn tired. all i really care about is that I can sleep and it doesnt turn into an abscess. So far so good, looks like for me ill be doing IM cycles with tren-a added sub-q.....I would be cautious about doing more then .5 of oil sub-q.....
ClassyChassisIf your stomach starts getting too beat up you can go other places. For instance pinch a skinfold on your thigh and go in at an angle. Maybe spread it around a little.
for sure the pinning spots are endless, so far they are about the size of a silver dollar so I could probably hit my stomach 20 times and the first one i pinned 4 days ago is almost gone so im sure ill be good. I might try some other spots just to see how sore they get, im also curious to see if my stomach gets used to the pinning.....
What's strange is that Finaplex was created in pellet form for implementation behind the ear (Sub-Q) for cattle. This method was used to prolong and also not interfere with meat or likelihood of abscess to avoid drainage. The facial muscles or behind the ear implant helped with drainage If the cattle or heifer became sick with an abscess. So Sub-q without glues and binders might be an okay idea to run Tren if your Oil and Ester is clean. Anything related to SUB-Q will have a higher likelihood of inflammation due to the higher nerve ending for touch between epidermis and dermis.
finaplex isn't being used to make tren any longer...some time last year or maybe the year before it was pulled from the shelves because they came out with a new product that combined the fina with estrogen ... it is very hard to seperate the estrogen from the fina
BigBmajAmazon.com still has them.
I clumsy thumbbed you by the way. My big old thumbs are always getting me in trouble.
are you trying to turn me into a points whore?? lmao... really that's good to know, there was a huge shortage and then they came out with the combo fina/estrogen ... it was very very hard to find any at all
the only issue other than lumps is that if the oils are absorbed through fat cells you will have deposits left in those cells which will disperse the oils at a later time.. .. so dispersion rate is compromised a bit as well as the fact that "some" will sit in the fatty tissue ...
regarding any exp i have with pinning aas sub q. all i have is i was pinning 250mg test C once per week when running HRT from doc. we compared it running it 2 different ways IM into glutes and the subq was in stomach. only decent place i have a good # of fat for subq and a cc. it did burn a bit too but nothing major if i recall.
i had base line bloods, i had bloods during the IM injections. we started running subq and 5 weeks later took the blood and my test levels fell approx 20% and free test followed. everything else was pretty much same. oh estro fell with test levels.
now take it with a grain of salt. after all it was only one test (using test, not tren) so anything else could have been going on in my body and a 20% variance isnt a lot, but enough where i said back to IM, doc agreed.
my sleep gets messed up too on tren. someone told me about seroquel. u will need to read up on it. only thing that minimizes the tren insomnia at least 85%! i take the Qutipin brand and small dose of 25mg. i run this starting about week 2-3 of tren cycle and about a few days post and boy, game changer for me!
Slightly less predictable uptake versus IM could make for erratic blood levels. Any significant amount of oil and you're asking for trouble.
FYI I know guys that pin tren ace twice/day if they're struggling with sleep deprivation. Never tried it personally, but another angle for you.
Be interested to hear how this whole Subq thing works out. Real experience is always preferable to theoretical.
BigBmajMy physician mentioned using an insulin syringe and doing an injection in the delts. He said the release was very consistent following that route of administration. That's not subq it's more like a shallow IM shot and I was only doing it with test but I'm going to try it with Tren in a coupe months. I cannot tolerate insomnia, I don't care what kind of gains I'm getting if I can't sleep I'm unhappy.
Keep us posted. I love seeing this kind of thing.
First thing that comes to mind is lumps. It even happens with watery stuff like GH so I don't know how it would go with oil...
So the negative sides are reduced, what about the positive effects. Any difference?
Will be watching this thread, keep us updated.
Ace VenturaI don't get lumps from HGH, but I recently pinned some bold ace sub q and it left me with a couple lumps. They were tender and mildly painful for a few days, then just turned hard. They stayed there for a while, at least a couple weeks, before they went away. I don't know if the harshness of the bold ace made it worse, but I don't plan on doing this again. It was a learning experience though so I'm not complaining.
I have lumps on both shoulders from IM. They are almost always there. Sure there is more concern for bumps if that is gonna effect you such as in comps. Keep in mind I dont comp and my posts are more geared towards the user that does it for fun.
That was my concern as well. Any opinion on a sub q infection if the oil pools or I should say any experience. Could the oil sitting there a longer time cause a build up of bacteria?
GearofWarI hope that you've come across a way to eliminate your sides brother. I just hope it's not because you're not absorbing enough of the trenbolone for it to induce related sides. I'm on TRT and I've also tried sub-q injections and had my blood levels tested by my physician after pinning it that way for 3 weeks. I was pinning .5ml Pfizer T-Cyp(100mg) per week. Blood tests showed a significant decrease in total, and free levels. Before: Total was 468ng/dl, After it was 252ng/dl. I've since gone back to pinning IM and have seen my Total T levels return back 433ng/dl in my latest BW. Just food for thought. I really hope your onto something real though.
I dont mind running higher doses to accommodate sleep sides.
I slept again last night! it had some tren sleep to it but it was much different then what normally happens. my tren sleep from IM are ALWAYS go to bed 930pm wake 1230am and the rest of the night is at best a day dream. last night I woke at same time and back to sleep, woke around 330 and back to sleep, then again at around 6 and back to sleep. This is what I was hoping it would do, if the dispersion rate is slowed like people say then the side should be more level.
Im also thinking that night shots would lead to the least amount of sleep sides as the oils would take a little longer to disperse and probably not be in the system with in the first 4+ hours but actually come on in the morning......just a guess im no doctor but it seems lodigal so im gonna run it with for a little while.
stomach is certainly sore where I injected the last 2 days. not unbearable, not like pip as its not in the muscle just sore like a wasp sting
Does the area where you injected appear smoother for a few days? So in this case, if you injected in the stomach did you temporarily loose some definition in your abs?
Yes it does. I rarely take my shirt off unless im at home. I dont compete so bumps or smooth spots are of no concern to me
Do you have any concerns about the oil pooling due to the slow absorption. I think this could be great because tren does the same with me. The only thing is the pooling into in infection that concern me.
Thats the beauty of eroids, it is a huge laboratory, where members are doing experiences on themselfs for the Needs of the many!
After reading this I tried to do some research on the subject and the only thing out there appears to be from random people experimenting with it. Most were very positive about the experience including more stable hormone levels and some said less sides. Concerns would be possibly higher rate of infection due to the lower dispersion rate and lumps which can stay a while. Seems like most agreed it would be best suited for a low volume of oil and ideally TRT doses.
Anyway, has my interest and will be following this closely. Thanks for posting.
I suspect the main issue is the dispersation as this will vary immensly due to breakdown and carriers between the subq tissue. You may find your levels go all over the place.......
I read somewhere about a study that they did on a water-based testosterone, and they concluded that sub-q promoted more steady blood plasma levels which coincides with your experience it seems. I'll try to find it and post it.
Wow I'm very interested in this, I'm gunna follow this thread closely. Please let us know your results.
I've read some weird shit about sub q oil injections. Let me see if I can find it real quick
ClassyChassisWith no veins to nick, you'll avoid the cough. The absorption can be sped up with heat (hot water bottle) and massage. I known a few people to do this. They didn't change their dosage.
f you pin more than 1/2 ml, you may land up with bumps.
any difference in sleep sides?
ClassyChassisOk, I asked my buddy and he said the insomnia was pretty much eliminated, as well as the anxiety he used to feel.... I have no idea why this should be, but??? Strange.
YES FUCKING YESSSSSSSS! thats the shit I wanted to hear! thats exactly what it did to me last night. im REALLY hoping that is the case. thats why I posted this to see if anybody had that experience. thanks for checking.
Anonnoid u may have uncovered the secret to a restful tren cycle
that would be a huge game changer why the fuck isnt that well known? why am i experimenting to find this shit out!
AnonBecause we always preach deep i.m. injections
ClassyChassisHa ha, I don't know brother. People just always do shit the way it's always been done. TBH, the idea of sub-q oil kind of freaks me out, but I'm about to start some tren soon and I may try it if the sides get too bad. If it could eliminate the shortness of breath thing, I'd be down in a heartbeat.
How much oil did you pin? Mg/ml
.5ml is equal to 100mg. its a 200mg/ml tren-a product
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