+ 4 sub-q to stop trensomnia
anybody pin their oils like this? Ive done countless pins where it barely went in and I pinned it anyway just below the skin and I could never tell any difference in the cycle. So ive been thinking about it for months and finally gave it a shot last night. tren sleep sides have been destroying me so I mixed it up yesterday and took the shot sub-q right before bed, it burned for quite awhile but ill be damned if I didnt sleep like a baby last night. im gonna run with this and see what happens, my thoughts are that maybe with the dispersion rate a little slower then IM it will be more like running a ester longer then acetate. im figuring I might need to up the dose as it might lose some potency as well, but im willing to do whatever to get sleep. anybody else ever try this? what kind of results did you experience?
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Hmmmmmm….. never came across this noisy before. Wonder if it does mitigate sides.
just to update this thread I came off high dose test a couple weeks ago and finally am sleeping better, so I thought it was the tren-e sub-q that was causing my sleep sides but they did not go away after dropping the tren, so it was plausible that the tren-e was just taking a long time to clear the body due to the sub-q administration, however it surely would not have effected me that long, and about 7 days after dropping test down to TRT im sleeping fine. While it seems to have worked for me I would still like to hear anyone else's experience on tren and sub-q
This was my first tren ace cycle. last shot is today.
I pinned 50mg of TrenA a day- reaching up to 75mg a day by the end.
I pinned the tren with a 5/8 29gage insulin pin. so just over a SQ injection and not quite a IM injection.
I found no real side effects, only slight sweating, vivid dreams- no insomnia, and of course a bad attitude/ argumentative, otherwise i felt fine.
I know this was my first run of tren ,so i don't have much to compare to, but all the horror stories and warnings honestly had me a bit scared.
I'm not sure if the different injection style helped but it was defenetly a whole lot easier to pin with a insulin pin everyday then a 27G 1.5 inch needle.
and yes i did try 3 days of sub Q injections, it burned a bit and left a small lump for a few days afterwards... It's not for me.
I gave it shot. We'll see, I did it because I going through a little Tren withdrawal and maybe this will give me a little rest. Boy does that burn if you put your hand right on top after injection. I'll post if I sleep better.
If it works, you're a genius of course . . .
any luck?
Yes bro. U are a genius. I pinned it sub-q with a slin pin and even though I had carbs close to sleep I did not get any tren sweating insomnia whatsoever and I felt better. So it works definitely. Now, how would we handle a nice volume of Tren? Is there like maybe some kind of shot that's not IM but deeper than sub-q??
If you stay under .7 CC you shouldn't have any problems with sub Q but just to take the slow approach start with .5 CC. Having said that there are endless spots where you can do sub Q on the body. It's not just about the stomach. Believe it or not even things like calves work really well. so with an almost infinite amount of spots for sub q just load up a 3 cc syringe (or whatever dose you use) and start hitting different spots with a insulin needle on the end (using proper sanitary precautions for every pin).
yes the burn sucks ass and can last up to about 6 hours. I found my quads had less burn to them but more swelling, and it surely is relevant to dose. meaning more oil more pain, I started hitting two spots about 1 1/2 inches apart instead of all in one.
everything was going good until the day I felt the test kick in, that night my sleep patterns changed, mainly having a hard time getting comfortable, so I was switching it up from the bed to the couch. went on for about a week then i starting getting the night sweats and only a couple hours sleep.....its been awhile since running tren and test together, I remember why I quit running them together!....I believe that my sides are test related and that tren-e sub-q would indeed eliminate most sides for me....however I havent ran high dose test or deca in awhile so i dropped the tren-e for now and wont be back to it for some time.....one of those things where I have to run the compound several times to really get a chance to figure it out. I can confirm that sub-q took away all my sides with tren-a. it will be nice to see some others update this thread with any experiences they have.
so heres a fun fact for ya, normally when I stop tren-e it takes about 5 to 7 days before I get some sleep. this post above I had stopped it for right around 5 days, and I posted almost 2 weeks ago above. Im way way past time for the tren to have been gone for me to sleep and im still sleeping like shit. I starting thinking it might be the high test dose about a week ago but have just waited to see what happens. to be perfectly honest, stopping the tren-e didnt change anything. So now im questioning if sub-q was working.
RustyhookerI only ran tren a once so my input is minimal on this subject. But with low test i slept like a rock. Normally 3-4 hours sleep off cycle is the norm but on tren i was flat out. Maybe it hits hyper folks differently? Or as you're thinking the test levels?
Hmmm, it makes sense, since they give ADHD patients stimulants to concentrate and relax.
RustyhookerI was worried bout trensomnia. Winny makes me super hyper so i assumed tren would be no sleep. Amazing how everyone gets different effects.
Sub-Q Changes the way a compound is absorbed into your system. Peak plasma levels are drastically different than from IM. just because you can inject compounds both sub-q and intramuscular doesn't mean that the body absorbs them at the same rate.
If I had to take a guess as to what happened it's probably because you still are getting tren into your system from the sub-q. Also you might have had less side effects because you are having less of the compound going into you at a particular time (sub-q). This fact will also have implications for PCT.
Sub-q Is an awesome way to go but the methodologies are totally different than IM when it comes to identical compounds.
this is another thing I certainly considered, however there is no tren effects, so that with the length of time that has elapsed since I last felt the tren left me to believe that it was no longer from the tren, but this is all new territory so who knows. logically it sounds like it could still be possible. ill certainly report back in a few weeks on it again to see if they finally subsided.
Looking forward to seeing how you get on.
AnonNoid
Hows it going on this bro
when I switched to quads sub-q I also switched to tren-e at 200mg/EOD, added in 750mg deca/w and test-c 1500mg/w. note that elevated test dosages increased tren sides for me as well. So everything is just kicking in, up to this point ive had a couple nights where I woke at 4am instead of 5:30 and had to get up but thats really not bad considering ive had just high dose test runs that will sometimes do that to me. I had one night about a week ago with tren night sweats and bad dreams. But as far as real tren sides they are gone bud, I dont even got the irritation and crazy im gonna kill that fucker for looking at me like that thoughts....The real down side is the damn PIP and inflammation, its different then IM PIP this stuff has like a burn to it, and tren-e(three different brands) all of them pinned at .5ml per injection is far worse then I was getting on tren-a. 1st day is fine, second day is swelling and burning, end of 3rd day is swelling and rock hard like knotting under skin, 4th day it going away and 5th its gone. My quads have been jacked up pretty good nonstop, but in trade for insomnia ill take it. So ive been waiting to report of this, figure i should have a good feel for it in another 3 weeks time, however I can tell you for 100% sure that if i was IM right now I would have already seen the sides.
AnonMan thats great
I appreciate you trying this out and taking the risk... sounds like a good trade off to me
When im ready to try it i may holler at you for some details on what you used and shit
Thanks man this is like a break thru lol
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkSo I switched to sub-q in quads two nights ago, right after pin there was no lump and I could tell the dispersion of oil was more spread out then on my stomach, also wasnt doing that crazy burning. by last night I thought that was the ticket but it had started to get a little red so I took some Ibuprofen, tonight that SOB is hard to bend, red with streaks going to my knee cap and headed under my leg and bigger then my hand easily. So no more sub-q shots above .5, I started splitting them last night. painful SOB, anytime my heal goes toward my butt that stretch I have to take it slow. I learned the hard way!
And please save the go to the doctor, that sounds infected posts.
i get those red streaks all the time when I was injecting with 5/8'' I think its normal, especially since my buddy got the exact same thing.
so... what do you think those red streaks are?
ClassyChassisThe streaks are due to local inflammatory changes in either local blood vessels or lymphatic vessels. They usually indicate a spreading infection, but I imagine BA/BB could cause inflammation as well. I missed injecting into my biceps once and my whole arm swole to twice its normal size and was beet red. But not infected, just inflamed.
most likely where oil dispersed through out the day, I have to sit on the ground often in my line of work, putting my butt to my knees tightens all the skin and stretches it, im sure that would cause it. But ive had these kinds of things with IM before too so whos to say, its a long way away from doctor infected I can assure you.
As silly as it may sound, if it is oil moving down (which is what it sounds like) movement in the area may help disperse it. Ride the stationary bike for 30 minutes, see how it feels.
I would be interested if water-based tren also helps the sides, because it would tend to be absorbed quicker and with less chance of lumps or abscess (given clean gear which i know is tougher if its water based) than oil-based if I'm not mistaken.
Mr KfizzleInteresting! I was running tren and prop at same dose of 100mg/day and had trensomnia and night sweats bad. Then I was told to try running prop at a very low dose (which I did read to be the most common way of stacking the 2) so I run the prop at 30mg and the tren at 200 now and rarely have night sweats or trensomnia anymore. My sides have always been quite mild tho and never have experienced tren cough. Have used four different sources for tren including the one you are referring to using and all feel like they work well. My best way I found to get to sleep tho when I was having trensomnia is Xanax and I swear by it. Been taking it for years but when I need to sleep and can't I'll take an extra one. Like I said tho since I dropped the prop really low it hasn't been an issue! Still find this interesting and going to fav it to keep up on how it treats you. Good luck!
there is a huge population of recovering addicts on this site where Xanax is not an option. I believe it would probably work well, if one didnt im confident several would!
Mr KfizzleThat's understandable... it takes a lot of self control aand discipline to not abuse them. Being that I get 3 months worth at a time (360pills) because that's the only way my insurance will pay it I could easily be one of those people but I personally CHOOSE not to be and actually have been slowly taking myself off of them since I have began noticing I don't need them when I am on cycle... low test being the real problem? Possibly! Anyway sorry to take the thread off subject. I am very interested in this subq injecting of tren and hope you keep us updated as to sides as well as progress.
This is my first time running gh w tren and i sleep lkke a BABY
I had hoped to experience that, it was really the only reason I tried GH, but that wasnt my experience, it was more like doubling or triple the tren sides by adding as little as 2iu. Im not the only one that has made this complaint. however running tren sub-q and running 5iu gh im now sleeping like a baby too! Glad to be a part of the getting sleep crew!
Interesting. What time were you/are you taking your gh?
morning 6am
I don't get trensomnia even at 1.5g a week. That is interesting that it is helping you though
Here is my $.02 on the topic. You can pretty much pin , most compounds interchangeably between sub-q and IM. You will reach peak plasma levels quicker with IM vs Sub-q. You can do Sub-q pretty much all over the body.
But there are a few caveats to Sub-Q, doing injections over .7cc is not a good idea as you will develop painful lumps (at the very least) as well as having a good possibility of developing an abscess. If you have never done sub-q I would recommend keeping it under .5cc to see how your body deals and then slowly working your way up. Otherwise there are a lot of advantages to sub-q, like not developing scar tissue.
Roid Noid remember that just because you are going sub-q doesn't mean you can't nick a blood vessel (hence the possibility of tren cough, which by the way can happen with all aas if a blood vessel is nicked)
I hope this helps you.
another thing I have found is some sub-q injections are down right painful, like every 4th-5th one will feel like a wasp sting for many hours(like up to 8)....personally i wouldnt do anything but tren sub-q so I dont have to deal with the sides.
Remember, side effects come with increased peak plasma levels, since sub-q delays peak plasma levels side effects can be less. In your case if you are injecting every day it wont make as big a difference, but it will make a difference.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I would really look into sub-q a little bit more, not as the predominant method, but as an option. There really are a lot of benefits to it, especially if you are cruising or are on TRT.
this post isnt really about sub-q per se, its about pinning tren sub-q to lesson side effects. for TRT I would certainly consider sub-q in the future, but for cycling I would do IM with all my other compounds. what I have found is that pinning tren-a sub-q I have no insomnia, I have been adding 5-10mg/d to see how it goes. running 200mg/ml tren, on a slin pin im at .8 as of last night and still sleeping like a baby. honestly that IS my only interest as of now for sub-q, due to the horrible sides effects I get from tren. But I will say it has opened up a different thought process and im not ruling out where I might go with it in the future.
You are right and I apologize for hijacking your thread, I will try to stick on topic. Are you getting painful lumps with .8cc?
In all seriousness, maybe tren is just not your compound. People are all different and different compounds affect them differently. You could achieve the same results you get on tren with different combinations of other compounds without experiencing the same sides.
My recommendation has always been to find compounds that are well tolerated (and obviously effective) and build cycles around them. You don't have to be miserable on a cycle to make progress, and sleep is so important towards progress. Just my $.02.
yes the lumps are getting more painful as the amount of oil increases, im not going any higher then .8 as I can see where abscess can be a problem.
your right tren aint for ALOT of people but ill be damned if we still dont try, for lack of whatever you wanna call it! :).....sub-q has certainly changed tren for me, hopefully it will change the way others are effected by it as well. nobody else has tried it yet that im aware of so its yet to be determined if im just some super lucky guy or sub-q really does take away tren sides for all.
im going to try some different locations for sub-q as my stomach is not getting used to it.
For me personally .7cc has been the limit, and I do not get any problems with it.
As far as Tren goes it's a great compound but totally unnecessary for most people in my opinion. Parabolan was around for a long time and has never garnered the godlike view that Tren has acquired. I really think it's just the flavor of the month , even though it is a good compound, but if you can't tolerate the side effects it is definitely not worth it.
The stomach is the last place I would do sub-q. I would just go all over the body. And you are not the 1st one to do tren sub-q, but if you thought you were I give you the credit for having the balls to try it.
No I dont think im the first to run tren sub-q, however I have not found anywhere on any site where someone has said that running tren sub-q clears up the tren insomnia. ive read hundreds of threads about people WITH tren insomnia and never have I read a solution being sub-q. So whether people knew this or not im surely gonna make it more well known cause personally I would have loved to know this many years ago.
are you saying that you where aware that it would clear up tren insomnia? are you aware of any threads on it? I would like to read about some other people that may have went before me and how they fared with their experience.
No I was not aware that it would clear up insomnia. If I come across any threads on it I will pass them on to you.
Having said that the side effects are usually dosage dependent. So breaking up your weekly dosage into more frequent injections will definitely help with side effects.
I think anyone insisting on using compounds that are troublesome to them will definitely benefit from everyday ejections.
crazy shit, I just got tren cough from sub-q! a little confusing!
StevebDid you go too deep?
BigBmajHave you tried any sleep medicine? Trazadone does work for me and it's not habit forming. I hate insomnia it drives me totally nuts.
Ive taken up to 50mg/night Melatonin and some stuff called sleep aid. The reality for some of us is there is no getting by insomnia. Or maybe not? Well see when others try it
I don't do well with melatonin or any other OTC "sleep aids". They give me weird, disturbed sleep, so I feel that I would rather not sleep than have crappy sleep. I also don't do well with prescription sleep meds. Too much of a hang-over, but I will use them if I am stuck in insomnia for a while. I guess it's just trial and error and seeing what works best for you. Thanks for the information on what's working and not working for you.
I've never done tren before so I'm just wondering if tren e is any better than tren a as far as sides go? If what you're after is a slower rate of absorption wouldn't tren e be the way to go or are you looking for something more in the middle of e and a?
tren-e is about the same when you weigh them together for me. I get different sides on tren-e then tren-a but the one thing that is ALWAYS a factor is sleep sides. I dont know if its slower absorption or what, I was just looking for a means of using tren with less sides and this idea popped in my head. All I can tell you about it is it works.