+ 29 Thyroid Medications
Recently I'm noticing more and more cycles including T3 / T4 as a routine part of a cutting cycle. It's not my intention to lecture or tell anyone not to make their own decisions, but what I would like to do is share with you all some personal experience I have in that area. Some of you may have heard my story before, but I'd like to give you a little more information.
In my teens and twenties, my life revolved around martial arts. I started at the age of 5, and at the age of 20 I represented my country and was honoured to do so. At the time when I was at university, it was a delicate balancing act between study and a heavy training regime. I never complained about the work, I loved the sport. What I didn't enjoy was making weight categories through extensive diet and cardio.
I was coached by what I can only refer to as a fitness fanatic. The sort of guy that doesn't stand still, walks around at 6-7% BF who never ate any crap whatsoever. I, however, always liked my food and probably averaged 12-14%BF at this point in time. I competed at a number of different weights in my career, but my main level was the 95KG class (210lbs approx.). I typically weighed in at 220-230lbs outside of competition, and I'll be honest, I HATED dropping weight. Cardio was never my love, and dropping 10-20lbs before a competition used to have a huge negative impact on me. It was, however, the weight I was best suited to compete at, results proved that fact.
So, I looked into "chemical assistance". At the time I was doing my final year of a biochemistry degree and had spent a year out in industry on placement year and had learnt a lot about endocrine medications as a result of the environment I worked in. I made the decision to cut a few corners and run levothyroxine (T4). It was cheap, effective and didn't seem too risky at the time. This was just before my 22nd birthday.
Worked beautifully! I didn't need 8 weeks of suffering before a competition, I now needed 4 just by running low doses of T4, (around 50mcg typically), and I could pretty much eat as I always did, clean but not obsessively clean. This continued to be the way I handled the situation until I was 28. No big doses, no long runs, nothing stupid. I continued my career into research science, so I knew what I was doing with drug application, or so I thought.
At 28, I won a prestigious competition, the highlight of my martial arts career. Unfortunately it was also my last competition of any significance. As I'd got older, I'd gained more muscle, I was naturally bigger and still battling for 95kg's, which was by now probably a weight category I had no right to hit. In order to get there, I was having to come in really lean, I'm talking 6% ish. Not ideal for the sport, and not ideal for your health. After the tournament, several weeks after stopping T4, I was continuing to lose weight. I increased what I ate, I dropped my cardio back significantly, weight continued to drop. 3 months after this tournament, I was 8KG's under my competitive weight and had lost a lot of muscle. My hands were shakey, I had a constant mild headache, shortness of breath and for the first time in my life my mood was very unpredictable. I went to the doc for the first time in about 7 years.
He took blood and noticed my resting heart rate was 105BPM. 3 months ago I was a fit international standard athlete, how could that be? It was because my thyroid was overactive. The typical range of "nomal" T4 is viewed as 11-22 here in the UK. Mine sat at 143. I was put onto a drug called carbimazole and referred to an Endo. We discussed the situation, and I openly and honestly explained my thyroxine use. I was lucky enough to be treated by a well known endo, who informed me I was not the only athlete he had seen in this situation. Things went downhill quite rapidly now, my weight continued to drop, I looked like a heroin addict to be quite honest. I struggled at work,. I'm sure people thought I was taking drugs. Eventually the carbimazole got me back to a eurythroid state, but I still felt like utter crap. I had developed a heart murmur, which wouldn't go back to normal which eventually resulted in having my heart stopped and restarted (not something I recommend, especially when you've got a 3 month old child). Eventually I had a total thyroidectomy at the age of 30 and I now take T4 for the rest of my life.
I'm ok now, but there's a few things that don't go away and I never feel particularly great. I still overheat really easily, (I walk around in a T shirt in winter), and I have the inconvenience of blood tests and daily medication. Whenever anything goes wrong with my health, the doctors response is immediately endocrinology related as a result. It still has a big impact on my life.
A long read, for which I apologise, but if it makes one person avoid what I had, it was worthwhile. Cardio and diet might seem like too much hard work, but I promise you do not want thyrotoxicosis.
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Anonthat was excellent bro, thanks for sharing!
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Great Post! I have been thinking for awhile about making a post on the T medications but it would only be from my perspective of fearing using it because of what my endocrinologist has told me. Your post gives all the information great credibility and everyone will do well to pay attention.
Here is a post from a well educated, pro athlete who has personal experience with the compound it self! This should be well heeded imo! +2
Excellent post. Thanks for sharing your story and I really hope it can help people realize what the consequences are if you take thyroid meds. Everyone has to make up their own decisions, but making an informed one is what counts. Again, thanks and best of luck.
Thank you for taking the time to post this and I hope it does not go unnoticed!
your123manIm confused, 50mcg of t4 and you shed weight like that? I thought t4 converts to t3 at a 4:1 ratio. So, thats roughly 12.5mcg t3 administration ed. When the body naturally produces around 25mcg t3.
Im sorry for your troubles with that shit and am glad youre good now, just confused about the numbers.
It's not like that. You see even if you take X amount of thyroid, your thyroid is mosty likely still naturally releasing t4+t3 anyways. So for some people their TSH doesn't go down as much even when they take thyroid exogen. Some people get super low tsh even off low dose, usually the guys who are naturally hyperthyroid or close to it.
If you are referring to competition prep you've got to remember there's cardio and diet going on there too, very intense pre competition, the T4 was only a part of the weight loss. It also doesn't work in such a predictable way. As an example all of my thyroxine is artificial, and I'm balanced on 200mcg/day. There are guys of similar size in the same position (total thyroidectomy) that are on 100mcg/day and balanced. That's one of the tough things about endocrinology, it follows a "blunderbuss approach" methodology.
your123manWow. Good to know man. Ive been on gh for two months now and one month t4 at 100mcg ed for the synergistic effect of the conversion on gh. I do plan to compete at higher levels eventually tho. Ill keep my wits about it more now tho, have always read it rebounds after a couple weeks off
It should, but as in my case occasionally things go wrong. Be careful and drop me a line if you need to ask me anything. Unfortunately I've learnt a lot about this crap!
56tooSDM, I am truly grateful you posted this. So many people take this stuff so lightly it really scares me . Seeing these young guys talk about it like its pinning test. T3 , t4, insulin are things best left to the pros as the consequences are life long.................if you're lucky. Thnks
That's my concern, it becoming more common to see these sort of drugs popping up in cycles now. Years ago it was something at competition level, now it's becoming with so much less stigma attached to it which is what scares me. It's not to be taken likely, when your thyroid is screwed, it's screwed permanently.
Thanks for your input 56.
56tooIncredible coincidence. I was taliking to a girlfriend of mine today and she was going to the doctor cause she has been loosing a lot of weight and having heart palpitations. After she went she called me and told me it was her thyroid. She doesn't do gear but is very fit. I told her bout your pot and how similar your symptoms were.. She will be on meds for a long time
Much more common in women then men. Whenever I used to have to go and see the endo I'd often be the only male in the editing room.
Hope your friend gets on ok. If she wants any advice / talk etc I can always give you my email address etc. I found the hospital good with thr physical stuff but not so good on helping me understand the mood swings etc.
56tooI truly appreciate it brother. I wil pass this on to her. One of the fucking drs. had her on the wrong dose completely and damn near killed her.
They basically just take a punt at the dose based on how bad bloods are, then adjust from there. "Blunderbuss technique". I had several heated discussions with my endo about it!!!!!
thanks for sharing this brother
Excellent post on what can only be described as a real life experience of the unexpected impact thyroid drugs can do.